Should LL employees enable griefers?

No, there is no ambiguity in my question. Either you think LL should enable griefers, or you don't.

I didn't ignore it, it was linked to in my first post. Chat logs and pictures. A Linden employee standing around while a griefer with a long history of griefing bothers the person in question, basically using their authority to dampen any use of force against the griefer. An act of intimdiation.

There is simply no valid reason for any member of Woodbury to be around Prok. If they were reallly here about education, and not griefing, they wouldn't be within 30 sims of her. SL is a very big place. There is no excuse.

And I took that from one of those links.. on top of that again your quoting the same said blogger in all this. It may be iffy that Linden labs had thought to take this action but there are members posting in this forum.. in this very thread that have been suspended from SL and subsiquently have been given formal appologies for having been so... so considering that they chose to lift the decision, I dont see any of this as proof of anything... they maybe a little messy being a large broad range of individuals, but they're not (and from what I read dont even appear to be) a griefer group.



it's concern about what your implying in your first post and in by posting this topic, obviously we dont believe a person of authority in this world such as a Linden should be in aid of somebody trying to cause distress or disruption or general grief... but by posting this your implying something many of us believe to be false... and mabye in intentionally... your slandering a Linden whom many of us respect and like.

The simple fact is that I don't think either of those things. Your question is still devoid of substance, and sadly you seem to be incapable of understanding all the reasons why this is so. What does "enable" mean in your question? Enable griefers to do exactly *what*? There are many, many things that LL can fairly enable people to do, to do, whether or not you choose to label them as "griefers".

what she said

It's okay, I think you have made your stance clear in any event.

No. (^_^)

That is simply unprofessional. (^_^)y

Honestly, after what I personally went through... I can't believe a bloody word she says anymore. Even if I were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. (>_<

There is a reason for this thread, I truely do want to see people's attitudes toward the abuse of power of those in authority. SL is just a microcosm of the real world, and every day, more and more power is being concentrated into the hands of a few, at the detriment of the many.

How many of you will have the fortitude to stand up and point out such abuses? It's very important to a free society that people do so.

You have a right to disagree, and to doubt the information given to you. But one thing is for certain. There is no middle ground, no neutral stance that can be taken when one's rights are involved.

These days, the saying is a cliche. But it's so very true. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

I for one will not sit by idly while things I find highly questionable happen, and bury my head in the sand. In the end, it will be up to LL to decide what, if any, action is taken against any people involved in this incident. But it's important that people know what transpires, because those ignorant of history are damned to repeat it.

I am both pleased that so many are willing to take a stand against abusive practices, and saddened that a large fraction are willing to turn a blind eye because they 'like' someone.

Just know, I will stand up for the rights of any Resident which I believe has been unjustly treated, no matter what their reputation may be, *especially* when it's at the hands of LL. I have in the past and will always do so.

Thanks to everyone for your comments.

If you are gonna make a hobby of poking hornet's nests, you are gonna have to expect to get stung. Prok has long made a hobby of poking nests. If she can't take the heat, she needs to back off.

Like you said earlier Darien, all the evidence you have is "he said, she said". Not enough to make any judgments on.

Should LL or it's employees be helping griefers? NO. But I haven't seen any evidence that they have.

One slander deserves another.
It was not nice for Linden Lab to allow the slander of Prok on the Linden Lab corp wall (A 'prank' supervised by Linden Lab employees. Chalk dissolves in water). So if that slander either condoned or written by a Linden Lab employee can happen - and stay there long enough for a bus full of people to take turns taking pictures in front of it - then this is fair retribution.

This.

Prok has a special label for me: "BDSM Bitchy". Prok is good for names, that is for sure.

That's actually pretty cute. =^-^=

FAR better than the boring one ~I~ got. (=_=)

My stance in this thread is in two parts.

1) The only things that really counts as "griefing" in my book are violations of the CS and ToS. One is not a "griefer" or "not a griefer", those are wildly subjectiove and usually inaccurate labels. This whole notion of "enabling griefers" is nonsense.

2) The original post in this thread is in violation of more than one of those rules. Should Linden Lab enable you with a place to post it?

Please.

Prok unmutes me to remind me I am muted. So what? It is not about personalities but about corporate responsibility and right and wrong on this issue.

So because the incident happened in RL - where the TOS cannot be enforced then it's not griefing?
In before the delete.

well, people, if you can't discuss the topic, and want to drag it down into discussing people, I would have to ask the thread be closed. I think the point has been made anyway. If only I knew how to do that.

Actually I've never met the guy in question... I assume you're quoting me there... I however have heard a lot about this said person, his achivements, and his involvement in the community. He really is liked and respected by many.

other than my conections through Immy I'm quite the outside observer in this... now Immy herself knows I rarely take her word at face value, she's often gotten all stroppy with me for seeking another opinion ^ ^. That said the shear level of flak she's recieved because of the blatent unprooven slander of the one who's word you take over all of ours has been diabolical, and frankly this hell should stop.

This thread isn't about Immy at all. go re-read post 1

I don't get it. A link to some town in Thailand? An unattributed reference to "The Woodburies"? What are you trying to show me? I see no evidence on that page.

I will PM you then. it's in the comments.

it's only an assumption... and a Linden that potentially had nothing to do with it must be defaced because of it? I dont get your logic.

Maybe not griefing, but possibly harassment.

Darien, if you want to get the thread locked, report your OP with the words, "I am requesting this thread be locked as OP."

Evidence, please? Assertions by a person with a history of engineering incidents doesn't count.

your source is in question, thats the point