do we even want voice?

oh i like shoes too, especially no-heel ones, can be quite vocal about that (just to stay on topic)

Hey, I've lost all kind of stuff from my inventory in the past, including my hair, but this has never happened before. I'm finding other people's inventoy items in my inventory.
Got something here in my objects called 'humour'. Are we supposed to return this stuff?

come back in 2 hours I would love to meet the fun and nice side of you

I am about up to here (makes motion with hand over head) with SL and the issues it has, I really really enjoy fun silly banter in a time like this

having someone come in all upset and being pissy with ppl makes that frustration level rise even more

so it would be nice to see the fun nice side of you... seriously

right now I would not care if everyone wanted World Peace or if everyone was having some deep philosophical discussion (something I normally jump into in a heartbeat).

Again - don't like that I posted an on topic response?

Take a number and stand in the complaint line for the next two hours - or go and get me one hell of a strong cup of coffee.

Well consider for a moment:

The non-voicer crowd doesnt usually deny the Voicer's primary statements that voice will benefit the business community, or that it will be fun for those who like voice.

The Voicers have habitually denied that non-voicers will face any sort of discrimation.

When one side of a discussion appears to completely deny and even belittle the other side's concerns it leads to an escalation.

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The Voicer set has Zero to fear from the Non-Voicer set, they KNOW voice is here to stay reguardless. Nothing that happens will damage them getting voice - Contracts been signed, tech work has been done, its starting to be phased in already.

The Non-voicers want some consideration or to discuss problems that arrise, but they routinely are denied even that.

As to the non-voicers trying to get voice removed, they are living in fantasy land at this point.

ohhh I should try making some no heel ones, flats as it were, have not tried that yet

might be fun IF SL ever gets fixed WHAAAAA

I noticed we do not seem to see enough low to no heel shoes in SL unless they are sneakers

and yep I use voice and like it and want it LOL
(god I am such a bitch, silly weird totally insane bitch)
(hopefully people realize my silliness is just that, silliness

but why would non voicers want voice removed, it is not like it is being forced to use, they have the choice to turn it off

I guess that is the part I do not understand, I look at voice as the same as streaming video and sound, if ppl do not like it they do not turn it on, same idea with voice
do not like it, do not turn it on, simple enough

sure it might cause some splitting here and there in the userbase, but heck that already happens with all the different cultures out there (ie furry, gor, RP, vamp, etc etc etc)

I am a voice user, and I would never dream of being mean to someone because they choose to not use voice, I still chat in text I talk to non voice users, I even explain to them why a lot of stuff is not being said, because we are in voice, and I often type in chat what was said in voice, because a lot of times the voicer forgets that not all hear them LOL

I am sorta like the... what is it called, the person who types in the courtroom, except mine is sorts like translating LOL

hands you a coffee and I never once had a problem with you posting on subject, just do not like being told what to do is all, especially when it is early and I too am injecting coffee

I'd like to see voice added as an option to Second Life. I wouldn't use it all the time, but I could think of reasons that I might on occasion.

However, there are other things I'd like to see more. Such as a stable grid. It's frustrating to plan to spend my Sunday evening working on a building project, to find that I can't do any work due to unannounced service interruptions.

So when I started to upload those textures, to make those all those ugly generic wooden geometries cluttering up my land look like something, I found that I couldn't upload textures because Linden Labs, at the time, was unable to charge me $10 L per upload for the privilege of doing the customizing work that they advertise as the great feature of Second Life.

Of course, I have other things to do. I've never sold anything in Second Life, so I wanted to see if I could set up a box that would sell things to others, with the right permissions on the things. Then I went to test it to see if it works- oh, right, database isn't working, can't test that.

Activity of last resort then would be to watch male strippers. So let's search to see if there are any new establishments with hot new male dancers. Oops, the search feature isn't working. Not that I had tip money anyway. With the economic stuff not working, I was unable to buy Lindens. Though if I had Lindens and a way to get to a strip club, I probably wouldn't have been able to give my Lindens away.

Priorities, Linden Labs. Priorities. When it comes to the bottom line, how do you think it looks to all those new people you sign up when the basics don't work half the time? Signing up a million a month isn't any good if you can't keep a million a month, and if they are telling 2 million friends that Second Life sucks because it doesn't work.

I don't see how anyone can do actual business on Second Life. Any other service providers for businesses would be out-of-business for the unreliability in service.

Oh yes..flats are always good, especially ballerinas, or low heeled slingbacks. Low heeled sandals would be cool as well. I still haven't made it to your shop, sory.

igh: In any event ....

as to the more on topic posts I've seen:

Unfortunately there will be discrimination ... It's almost Human Nature by now to treat anyone that is different or that does not follow what society calls 'normal'. In this case it will be the use of Voice.

Personally I try to treat both sets of users the same way ... sometimes it's easy, other times not so easy.

So far the only places I've had severe grief issues with voice have been the Waterhead welcome Area and occasionally at Ahern.

Yipeeee! Be looking forward to those.



they're out there but hard to find, believe me....... been the hardest thing to find



cool

Thanks to the folks with the keen insight into SL architecture that can say without question the weekend grid failures were completely unrelated to rolling voice support over. I don't know what I was thinking, there's certainly no precedent in software dev for new features to create problems with already unstable code.

Good discussion from the rest of you, didn't expect such a ruckus! Interesting point made upthread about what's the motivation for LL to push this now. There are some vociferous supporters (couldn't help myself) but it doesn't seem that on the whole residents are clamoring for it. Plus as others have pointed out, there are 3rd party solutions that allow for voice chat. So why is this a priority? All I can come up with is a marketing angle or a need to justify an investment. It's six months since the press release announcing voice support.

I've been in almost this exact situation in RL working for a web hosting provider- sign an agreement to integrate Software X, the project simmers in engineering for half a year, then someone in upper management realizes the agreement is coming up for renewal and it's not even close to being ready.

I'm going to go conspiracy theorist on it and say that pushing voice and shutting down gambling are part of the same thing-- conditions of the contract for upcoming sale of SL to Fox Interactive. Get ready for mysecondspace!

for the record, I ramble on incoherently in voice too

and we while voicing, actually had someone do a speako (voice typo) never ever ever heard it happen quite like that

and if she sees this post I know she will prolly get embarrassed but it was sooooo good I have to share it...

we were talking about AO's and she said she needed a hoover in her AO.... well ... we were all a little confused so I asked her... you mean you want to suck?

she was a bit confused too and could not stop laughing

then.. we realized she meant hover in her AO LOL

so there you have it folks a reason for voice, listen to speako's LOL

Heh - about the same reason I was reacting to all the derailment - not very wise to tell someone that's posted their opinion that the thread has moved on .... Has the same ring to it as "go do this"

A few of you know where I stand on voice—I have rubbed several of you the wrong way, so I will no longer be as open and honest (some say trolling) as I once was. I do not want to give anyone the opportunity to flame me.

Voice IS wanted.

I want to stress something that many of you pretend isn’t so, or couldn’t see with the Hubble. The community that frequents the forums, is NOT a good example of the general citizenship of Second Life. You are a different crowd, with a different attitude, and do not make up an average of attitude. Some of you may disagree with this, but I’ll tell you now, I will not argue about this…it’s clear as day, and if you can’t see it, then we will agree to disagree.

Citizens all over Second Life love to use voice. There aren’t a high number in random areas of the grid [yet], but if you have the Freelook Viewer installed, and you search specific groups or sims that have voice enabled, you find a ton of voice users.

I won’t go into why people don’t like voice (because it offends some of you), but I will list reason why it IS a good thing:

*Voice is a much easier way to communicate. It’s much more freeform and natural. You can pick up on emotion, sarcasm, humor, and all the lovely subtleties we humans are so keen on, and fond of.

*Voice is a much more efficient way to get business taken care of. If you are speaking with a client about a job they want, it is so much more efficient to listen to what they want, take notes, quickly ask questions, and get to the bottom of the problem or job at hand. Time is money in both SL and RL, and using voice saves TONS of time. –If you say that you don’t like it because you can’t go back and revisit the text of the meeting, then I have a simple RL solution. Take notes (also called minutes)—you should be taking notes anyway, aside from even if you were just using the text chat. When dealing with clients, notes (minutes) should be taken anyway (text chat isn’t really efficient minute taking, it only houses what has been said, not what you think, or ideas you will explore later)

*Voice is the next natural evolutionary step in digital playgrounds—whether this be video games, or MMOs. If you’ve been following VOIP (voice over internet protocol) in the past three years, you’d have noticed that the game developers are implementing voice into a large handful of first and third party games. Having the ability to speak with your guild or clan, or even to “talk smack” is a wonderful tool. Keep in mind, there is always the ability to mute any individual…so there is never a problem with trolls.

*Not as many blatant lies can take place on voice. Sure, everyone can lie about how old they are (to a degree) or what they do for a living, etc. But when you are talking to somebody, there are a lot of things you can’t hide…and sometimes it’s a good thing when making a first impression on a citizen. (I do not place hardcore role player’s in this situation, I know they make it a point to be their alter-ego).

So, without going into anymore detail (I’m sure the majority of you only skimmed this anyhow), I’ll leave it as is.

I really don’t have the energy to defend these…and honestly, I do not feel they even have to be defended. Some of you love to argue till your faces are blue…but just ask yourself, “What good is it doing?” Is voice going to go away? No, it’s only going to become more fluid, and widespread. You might as well embrace it.

tis ok brenda blame SL for not making it there (shame on you hehe)

yeah I was thinking slingbacks and sandals... well once things settle out for the grid and I can build again, and get tired of building to the town, I will work on some slingbacks and send you a pair

do not hold your breath though

ahern is the place I got the grief, have not tried it at waterhead yet

nice to be able to just mute voice though, and still see the text from the person if one chooses it

I usually either hang out in the help island public, friendly crowd there, or I go to movix sim where I am working on building a town and chat with ppl as they pop in
depends on my mood and how nice SL is being to me

good point and I am sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way.... I do know the right way to rub ppl but sometimes my grid becomes unstable and I tend to rub the incorrect way, or it just fails to rez a rub...

rez a rub I like the sound of that

god I am weird in the morning

I do spend a lot of time on HIP - I'm a Voice Mentor and actually do like helping people, perhaps at some point we'll run into each other.

You and me both .....

I think you mean firstlook viewer
just clarifying in case someone goes looking for a freelook viewer hehe

OHHHH best to not run into me, I tend to kick and punch LOL
just got the kick butt thing from abranimations it rocks I love when ppl run into me LOL

but yeah would be nice to meet up with you
I am an SL mentor so maybe we can swap experiences with SL voice help and situations

But the non-voicers who are suggesting voice be removed are only a subset of the overall number.

Somehow people miss that.

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Again for the 1000th time. People can turn voice off, but they have to MUTE people who pressure them to use voice to shut THEM off. And that doesnt stop them from having experienced the nastiness that may accompany it.

If you had to wade through 200 popups everytime you used the forums how much fun would you find them?