So are there any threads a Res Mod hasn't locked?

Well Aimee what you think..........If someone gave almost all their SL time for the game helping others and newbies for over 2 years and suddenly they are look at in a badlight? wouldnt that spring to life why sucg banning occured? Or repeated banning based on a few lindens hating said people. Does lead people to understand LLAbs does have their hated list of people regardless of what those peopl have done to help better the game Helping others.

I'm curious what situation lead to the creation of the in-world ban, I don't remember it (this wasn't Eep was it?)

The only witch hunts I remember were the ones perpetrated against ResMods. We lost several ResMods to the persecution. LL made it quite plane, everyone is entitled to Private Discussion protection.

Your posting habits haven't changed 2k. There is a wonderful rule about alt abuse. It's been a long time since we have seen it applied and I don't want to see it applied anytime soon.

Its started to happen June of 2006 ( i think ) until early 2007

I know they did connected suspensions. Didn't know there were examples of it on bans (besides Eep). My recollections on most of the suspensions: a good number of folks as soon as they came back from suspension repeated the offense and would be handed another longer sentence. Sometimes lead to a vicious cycle until the person was banned from the forums.

Any who, it's about time I move this to the resmod discussion forum.

Sadly it did result in a cycle of some being banned not one twice but three times ( with in a 2 month period ). Oddly enough they never did follow up on why said people were banned ( because it was those lindens involved doing the abuse report followup ). It was just a crack down ( in the Lindens minds ) which resulted in nothing more then more upset people, wrongly banned for some reasons/instants etc..........The all of the sudden the lindens were told mainly to stay off the forums ( or don`t be too active in them as much ). Anyways it was just part of Second Life history now. I just hope all parties involved have learn how not to do things or learn from their mistakes.

Hrmmm.

Know what would be handy? If there could be a "continue thread" relationship between the official SL forums and a third party forum. The idea being that when you close a thread, a new thread is automatically opened on a third party site. Your close message could then include a link. Even better, maybe the posts themselves could be transferred.

This would serve both to allow you to keep tight reigns on the official forum AND allow people to continue their discussion uninterrupted elsewhere.

I once made a suggestion on SC that I could repost closed topics (or something of the like, I kinda forget the details). The response I received was along the lines of "go fuck yourself". I don't mind working with other forums but with that attitude? I don't need that and frankly I don't want to expose the community to it either. I get pretty good vibes from SLUniverse. Trouble is there are allot of forums.

It's presumptuous that any third party forum would want our closed topics. Better to have a system that allows people to add links to closed threads postmortem.

To do things properly some sort of automated system that allowed equal access for third party forums would have to be created (I could be flooded by PMs asking for link inclusion otherwise). Best if it were worked into the forum software (I don't think LL will be keen on the idea of modifying the software). You should post a suggestion on Jira in the WEB section.

I could create a moderation blog, when ever I use the mod tools it would create a blog entry and in the instance of a lock it would provide a link to the blog post. Then people could post links to further discussion of the thread in the comments, etc. I could probably put together a GM script to do it.

I use a couple GM scripts in the course of my work on the forums.
There are:
1) http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12010
2) http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/9830
3) http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/9651

The first makes dealing with cross posting easy.
The second was pretty much deprecated by the first.
The third parses BBCode into HTML.
There is a forth that modifies my webmail so I can see the status of threads in the AR messages.

Heh heh. Yeah, you've garnered quite the reputation with SCers

I still think it's a good idea overall. Even if users do it themselves. The hard part is directing users to the continued discussion after a thread is closed. I'm sure we would like to be able to say "OK, let's continue this discussion at the following link ..." but with the thread closed we can't do that. It would be cool if there was a "links only" grace period between when you have decided to close a thread and when the thread is actually locked. Only posts directing users to the continued discussion would be permitted.

sounds cool. but considering ll are unwilling to even enable bb code it is pretty unlikely they are going to add any functionality to the forum.
any steps to implement something like this are going to have to be done without any assistance of ll.

As someone who will never be found posting at SC this is a bit unfair for people to endorse any single forum and yes there are several people on the main forum who wont be going to SC. If SC has changed let us know, but everytime i see a thread that says lets continue here I go look and see the same old problems. Couple that with the last few incidents of people fighting so much the go pout and run to another forum its enough to let me know that SC will not be changing anytime soon. I also dont think that its fair to other forum providers to do this as they put time and effort into things as well. The SC population in reality whenever I go look is not that large as far as active posters go its simply the one all the older players want to endorse and its also the one with the largest amount of problems with regards to what it looks like to outsiders.

I dont enjoy reading forums wheer every other post and thread has an ignored link and I dont enjoy forums where people just pick on other people when they are in a bad mood or borred or someone is perceivd as stupid or dumb because of how he has posted and so everyone piles on top of them and tears them to shreads. That's not normal human behaviour that's a bunch of people who have decided that they can get away with anything and have fun by banding together at the expense of another individual's feelings. I dont agree with that regardless of who the person is or what they say. I still consider that everyone no matter what I think of them personally deserves some modicum of respect. That simply doesnt happen there and it can get really bad at times. I also dont believe that just because one poster is acting like an idiot it gives me license to also act like an idiot in return then it becomes like two school kids fighting in the sandbox.

I have seen far to many incidents of people who lack total self control over there to know that their rules or lack of them bring out the worste in people and far to often and SC at its worste is a very good mirror of what these forums were like before they started shutting half of them down. You would not find me posting often to these forums at that time either and for the same reasons I would not post on the SC forums. I dont like that atmosphere and it certainly doesn't make me feel good to be called all kinds of names because of a viewpoint. So when i see people coming here and endorsing SC as the place to go to continue discussions its not right to do that. There are in fact some people on this forum who you will not find at SC so basically by making a decision on which forum your going to continue on your taking traffic from other forums and/or excluding others which is just the same as locking the thread so why bother?

Hi Wilhelm. Please reread my post. I wasn't endorsing SC for thread continuance. I was endorsing a grace period where users can post links to the continuance, wherever it may be. In fact a terminated thread here could continue in multiple places including SC as well as forums more palatable to you.

SC is certainly my favorite. Your lengthly description is certainly not my experience with Second Citizen. But I do agree it would be wrong for LL to endorse any specific third party forum.

Hi Aimee .. I went to Midnight City the other night .. it wasn't midnight ... /me confused!

Well, in the thread linked by Sarah I commented on Friday someone labelled all SecondLife forum posters as lowlifes. Today I revisit it to find abusive comments and someone almost flamed for trying to temper it. I really can't see the attraction in that at all. It's like the playground of one of the nastier inner urban schools.
I daresay in perhaps a masochistic moment in the future I might revisit but I'm totally behind Wilhelm for now.

having been personally drawn and quartered for asking for help in a sub forum last christmas I think you will see that it doesn't actually change. They do have their good moments I will assume and on occassion some thread or other does drag me over there in interest and at times the threads are civil, but that civility is fleeting and then they fall back into tearing each other apart.

I have a friend that insists on going there (well a few actually hehe) and one of them seems to get torn apart quite often and has on occassion left due to it. Only to for some reason go back to it. Some people have a need for it I guess. Me i'm 43 and a rather quiet person who says very little usually so I'm actualy quite a blabbermouth on these forums, but I am indeed very very square and I remember getting treated in a similar fashion when I was in grade school and then highschool due to my "dry squareness" hehe.

I'm not saying you will experience it. I think i picked a bad time to have need of some advice of the nature I needed. I got not much help here so I went looking for info and advice elsewhere but I guess people were all home from work and borred due to christmas holidays, but the 48 hours of non stop ridicule for asking

1) is this a copy
2) please give me the latest information on what copybot is and what its present form is

did not seem like ridicule type material. I never got the answer to part 2 from them because they were too busy making fun of me for part 1) (i think it was one of their friends or something) anyhow despite how polite I was and how much I asked them to please stop and just well be like normal people it only made it worse. SO i left and I wont be going back. The funny thing is this was not even the main forum it happened on it was on a forum for seaking such information that I followed and ended up there due to a url that was pointed to the sub forum. I didn't even look at the name of the main forum or pay it any attention as about 4 months before I had signed up there and never used the membership. I still seemed to have cookies and went and posted thinking nothing of it. I didn't imagine asking for help would get me that sort of reaction. Suffice it to say that in the end I asked to be removed only to have the moderator post my private message to him and also join in the fun. I found that in very bad taste alone and if a moderator is willing to post private messages I have an issue with that. I have no interest in subjecting myself to that again no matter what people say. I know what I saw and I know i did not deserver it. It was very interesting to see my private request to be remove posted as well and that alone showed what they could be if they chose to.

I'm sure this will get flamed and draw all kinds of sc'ers out to call me names and result in this thread locking but people need to look at themselves sometimes. They felt I was stupid okay fine. Some things have to be kept inside your head. That was one of those times because I was genuinely looking for help and got none beyond the first 3 or 4 posts and even then in a couple of cases people could not resist calling me names while providing the answer I was seeking. So I have no doubt having seen the recent problems occur that they are no different this is last christmas this has occurred and every once and awhile strange incidents of private info being posted and other things occur. This means no restraint and I'm not interested in subjecting myself to that sort of way of thinking.

tl;dr


KIDDING!


It's true, SC is rough play. In fact just today I got ripped to shreds in the most personal, profane, and vulgar way imaginable by somebody who runs an SL news source!! If you can't laugh it off, then SC isn't for you. And that's not to be condescending to those who don't care for the environment. It's just a different kind of place and not everybody will like it.

I think after years of being attacked I've grown a thick skin. More like a turtle shell. But no, nobody here from SC is going to give you a smackdown for criticizing them.

The thing I found most incredible about the 'lowlifes' post wasn't the insult. Rough play you call it Aimee? I got another word for it. No, it was the way he was almost afronted by the fact that this site was visited by people expecting customer support .... it's Residents Answers .. it's the official Secondlife forum ... WTF does he expect visitors here to want ... to trade insults and abuse?
I came here last year to ask questions. I liked what I found and decided to stay and help with the answers. Now someone on a third party site is welcome to consider me a lowlife for that but I'll be damned if I'm going to that war-zone to argue it with him/her/it.

Hehe You got off easy! You should have heard the things *I* was called today

However unpleasant SC may appear to be they are entitled to equal protection of the "Private Discussion" rule as anyone else. If I were to ignore this, we would be no better then them. I would much appreciate if the topic moved away from SC.

hehe Aimee I dont worry about it I already got a smackdown and it left me wondering if they were on crack. Not everyone is like that and you sure aren't its just that for some reasons the ones that are like that came at me like I was fly paper. That was my "first impression" of SC as I had never actualy been to the forum and posted before or even participated. Its kinda hard on people if that is the introduction they get

Anyhow anytime there is a migration to SLU i go hide because of that experience I dont like getting heartburn while reading posts and quite frankly some of them scare me as in if i met them in real life and they disliked me would they beat me up? Its simply the impression I get and I could be wrong, but I remember once seeing someone display their "sharpes" collection and then say something about the fact that they had some problem handling anger lol. I forget who it was but every once and awhile someone discusses something or other that happens at SC and so being human I go peak ... those knives and his description of himself didn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy

Also bilbo is a hobbit so he would get stomped pretty fast being a hobbit and all its probably safer for him here

okay i'll shut up now sorry

you posted to slow

bah there is no delete post button

Don't worry about it. I have it set to 40 posts per page. I wasn't singling you out and in the scheme of things your posts do not warranting any action on my part. SC has been a target for a long time and we are rather acclimatized to hearing horror stories about it.

There has to be a line somewhere that I hold people to, and if I don't hold people to it, it might as well not be there. Moderator sanctioned bashing is not something we do here.

Only takes a few bad apples to make it seem like the whole barrel has gone bad. Apples that do bad we try to encourage to go elsewhere.

I too hope they have learned. I would characterize it as a culture shock. People found themselves faced with three options: adapt to the new culture; vocalize their grievances; or leave. Those who choose the second option had to content with a moderator pool they made unsympathetic. Some were banned because of their style of vocalization (the subtler forms of trolling). Others were banned because what they said was an obviously violation of rules. The second option was really just a purgatory for people to decide between the first and the third. In the end, people were either accepted/adapted or they left (or were forced to leave). It was never put forth in this manner but in hindsight thats what was going on.

The only flaw was in transparency, from my vantage point it was obvious why people were getting banned, it was because I could correlate it to Linden Review threads. For the person being banned there wasn't much information coming out of LL. The (flawed and unspoken) thinking has always been that since the evidence is obvious and permanent there is no need to connect the dots. LL has always used discretion with regards to disciplinary action, they see it as a private dispute; which has the effect of not giving any information to the public. The public and the person being banned weren't interested in poring over the threads to find the reasons and when the mod (who knew the reasons) were unconvinced by the pleas it just exacerbated the situation.

It was plain to me the reasons LL did what it did. Despite the sentences being a bit stiff at times and you will have to take my word on this: no one was punished for a bad reason.

We agree more or less on what happened, the only difference being the roll the lindens played in it.

As to why the lindens don't use the forums much anymore is simple: They are too busy with other communication methods. Some 25+ lindens have weekly office hours, there are the emailing lists, and then there is Jira and the Blog. Not to mention with the great increase in the number of users the increased work load on Liaisons. In the past the forums were the center of support in SL, it just isn't the case anymore; they now fill a niche in the bigger plan.

That does not pardon the lindens for banning people for their personal reason ( wishing to get them prem abanned from the game all togther ). The lindens are people too with their own problems and person basis of others. You know how many people brag that they know lindens( " HEY I HAVE A LINDEN FRIEND and he always comes running" ) and when they are in problems they can ask for help? or the say " HEY I got 10 life banned ( because i fill out 100 AR reports a day ) because the linden is my friend yea right )from SL because bla bla bla...... because i called a linden and they did this and that? Now what is this now? grade school a special student kissing the teaches butt for special treatment? Its just childish and can cause harm to those tha are not griefters and only be targeted because those kiss butt kids are think they are now god." What makes me laugh with this kids its a game and acting like they are in the same league with the lindens. I wonder in their real lives what soical and emotional problems they have. To act in this matter. Some of these matter are just so typical and anti social its not funny.

Heh heh, I came to that same conclusion. Well, I said all I wanted to. I'm off back to RA .. well tomorrow hopefully.
Been good to bear arms with you Wilhelm. Aimee, I just remembered .. I *did* see you in Midnight City once .. I think you were busy though LOL
Ciao