So are there any threads a Res Mod hasn't locked?

Love or Hate my views on Res Mods, I think this thread brought out a lot good views and talks about the subject and I think I learned a lot and have a better understanding of things. I'll hold my tongue and try to be more understanding in the future when I see several threads being stopped. And I think Aimees Right, SC may have a bad rap from some people, but I'm fairly new to being a regular poster there and they have been very kind to me. It's a forum its not going to be all sunshine and roses, but I for one like the people there.

Oh, gee: I sure hope I didn't leave the impression that I thought it would be somehow *better* if the resmod didn't care or understand the forum they moderated. (I did say the quality would suffer.) I was trying to suggest that Strife's job is made more difficult by the universally accepted fact that she really cares about SL and understands more about the technology than practically anybody. Those attributes of course underly the motivation and ability to do the job well, but they make it more difficult to remain emotionally detached from the work and its stresses. Not at all what I think. Not what I would want anyone to think--least of all, Strife. Not at all.

Now THAT, I think we can all agree on.

Forums, sims, work, RL clubs, nearly anything in the world that is social is best described by the people. Some good, some bad, some outstanding, some @$$holes. It's where you feel comfortable and welcome that matters.

~Jessy

It is insane to invite people to prevent their views on a forum, then threaten to ban them in world and confiscate their goods - take their money - when you don't like what they say.

If you don't like what they say in the forums, ban them from the forums. That is sufficient. More is draconian. Primitive, even.

coco

I'm generally supportive of you, however I'm not supportive of either of the above statements. I don't take kindly to threats and the 200 post mark is hogwash.

Depends what you do. If you are ruining the reputation of someone inworld then you deserve an inworld ban, if you're merely getting into a heated debate here, then a forum ban should suffice.

I largely agree with Strife's sentiment about the subtlety of trolling. I think back in the day we called it "marginal griefing" where a user might be able to become profoundly disruptive and abusive to others without actually violating some overt "letter of the law." Forum moderation had to go beyond searching posts for instances of forbidden keywords. It required moderation that wasn't afraid to make a qualitative judgment about what was trolling and what wasn't.

The cost is, perhaps, overly intrusive moderation. That said, I sincerely doubt anybody has ever actually been banned for expressing unpopular ideas.

I have to agree, though I'm sure there are some who will insist they were banned for their opinions while refusing to acknowledge the abusive manner in which they presented them.

Nastiness and condescending attitudes are unfortunate but should be tolerated, abuse should never be. Sometimes it's a very fine line and I'm sure there's errors made on either side of that coin from time to time.

Condescending attitudes, maybe. Nastiness? Well I don't see the need for it. But as I mentioned in my previous post, it's great we have forum choices. If you have something nasty to say, you can go to SC. The only cost is, people will respond to you, and they may be nasty too.

If you take that as a threat, cut back on the redbull juuuuuuuuust a bit.

Strife's comments were about what happens to a post when forum rules are broken. If you break the rules, you pay the fine. That's not "threats" that's facts.

As for being afraid of speaking out agaisnt LL.....pffft! I do that all the time. I continually state that LL management needs to grow up and learn to be a big company now. Kindergarden is over. If they don't like my opinion of them, they are open to ignoring it (which they seem good at), or changing. Either way. Choice is theirs, and ours.

~Jessy

Considering the haphazard and ham fisted way he enforces the rules, I considered it a threat as well.

Anytime you have a mix of people from around the world. You get all sorts of remarks Based on the education, background, upbrings, age, etc.......... that is why a res mod position is very very hard to do. If anyone ever been a forum mod you would understand this.

I disagree, just ban them off the forums. Print an official statement about the character assasination, delete the offending material and leave it at that.

The threat of an account ban for speaking their mind is simply too big a Sword of Damocles hanging over people's heads.

Luckily as I understand it its either never or almost never been used.

A forum ban is a forum ban and should end the problem long before it ever reaches an inworld ban.

When the lindens decided Forum/in-world bans were the way to go it was in reaction to one poster, that they didnt know how to handle.

They may have spun it since but those of thus that were there know better. People were supportive at the time (I wasnt) becuase they wanted that person to pay.

Now that those times are long gone and none of that happens any more. I really dont see the need for it. (Not that I did then.)

Well in the past they banned people from the forum that rolled over in to the inworld. Why they banned like this i never understood.

Not exactly. The in-world/forum ban policy arrived immediately AFTER that one person was banned and did not actually apply to that one person. Supporting the policy wouldn't/didn't make that person "pay" in any way.

Folks had mixed reactions to the policy but those who supported it largely felt that the Linden's moderation of the forums was effete and too crippled by politics to ever actually stop a few persistent and motivated individuals from creating a hostile environment. Not to mention the one at the keyboard in the forums is the same person who controls an avatar in-world. They aren't two different people so why should we pretend that they are?

Of course things have certainly changed around here. Moderation is swift, bold, and unapologetic (albeit intrusive and heavy-handed.) I don't think these forums could ever reach that level of hostility and disruption under the current rules. So perhaps the double ban for forum infractions is no longer necessary?

Yes they were working with the idea that they cant do anything ex post facto. Kind of "to prevent it happening again" - or "prevent the alt from happening again" idea was my take. And thats how the support seemed to go.

They also were acting like the Forums guidelines and TOS were hamstringing them doing anything to that person.

Things have definitely changed on that score. There is no more of that on the forums or in the game, really.

I've just farted

There is one small problems with this thought. LLabs did go on a witch hunt and many many people got caught in it. Some that because they knew some of the problem people they too became marked on the the LLABS black listing. ( WHY?) because LLAbs reacts before they learn the truth..........Others because LLABS wanted them out of the game totally. FAtcs are LLABS screwed up and many good people got blacked listed because some lindens Just wanted it that way ( not because they caused harm ) just because they that linden(s) has some hated to them.

Oh, please. Find me anyone banned from these forums who didn't deserve it. Anyone who got handed a suspension or banning earned it in full through anti-social behavior and flagrant abuse of civility. Name me one good person who got blacklisted.

Pardon me? Sorry unless you know the facts don`t even try to understand it. Or post a remark.....Not everyone should have been banned from inworld due to forum issues..........

My alt was a good person!

Yet my alt is banned. And I'm confident that for every person that found my alt's post offensive, there's a person that saw his post as harmless fun.

My alt likes kittens and children and will gladly help old ladies across the road. He's a good person!. Yet he's been thrown out into the darkness and left to shrivel up and die.

You would've loved my alt.

I think she was asking for the facts ... as in ... who got an undeserved ban? I'm not aware of any "witch hunt" by the Lindens. I won't say you're wrong, I just haven't heard of it so it's a fair question to ask.

Im not actually away of anyone who was permabanned from Second Life becuase of the SL forums.

I have "heard" a couple people say they had been suspended for a short time in game becuase of their forums ban.

But thats it.

I imagine I could just be totally uninformed on it though. I just think if it had happened people would have been more vocal, I guess.