So are there any threads a Res Mod hasn't locked?
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Angelique LaFollette
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09-06-2007 18:19
Look on the left Hand side of the Menu screen as you scroll down the List of threads, I think you will see plenty of threads, including some very controversial ones, that have never been locked. Perhaps your favorite one got locked, But that doesn't mean they ALL get locked. It just means your favorite went on Too long in the wrong direction, and the mod has said "Enough". If your Unclear on WHY a thread has been locked, there is a very handy Sticky at the TOP of the Thread menu list that sets the forums Rules. They are pretty clear, and the mods, in actuality are fairly relaxed in Giving us Room to Discuss, even when a topic is Straying over the bounds a bit. Strife does a D*mn good Job of moderating, Considering some of the (edit:Highly Questionable) posters and Posts he has to monitor, and the Volume of (Edit  osts) he has to wade through. Well Done Strife. Angel.
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Bodhisatva Paperclip
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09-06-2007 18:20
Y'know...when I started SL I was looking to find the "social thing" in-world. How'd that work? Not so much. Forums I know, from my other interests, but I resisted posting here, resisted commenting in interesting or controversial threads. For every post I made there was at least one I started and then deleted. It wasn't right: SL is the network, the community, not the forums. But the reality of my day is that I can't go to "SL: The Place" all that much. And when I do, I frankly don't know what to do most of the time. I build, I wander around, I talk to anyone who talks to me first, I move my furniture around...
But back to the forum: I like the mix of information and levity. And I like that there are brakes to keep it from degenerating into the scenario of other forums I've discarded where the seasoning outweighed the meat*. It's just all a matter of perspective. I'm going to continue on with my philosophy of trying to remain more heavily invested in SL's residents than in Sl's business/operating model. Reading here I've seen who's got a heart of gold and who has only a love of gold in their heart.
Are there any threads the resmods (I do remember seeing more than the Strifester, I believe) don't lock? Heck yeah? Does it sometimes seem arbitrary? Heck yeah ag'in! But for me ultimately(, maybe, someday?) SL's not this forum but rather what I can do in-world.
Sorry if this sounds disjointed but it's extremely late and I wanted to get IBTL
(*yes, I'm a total foodie and if I we ever meet I can keep busy for ages talking about food and cooking without the subject of pie ever coming up which is good since it's a sore spot for me as for the last two years I haven't been able to get a crust to turn out right to save myself)
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Strife Onizuka
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09-06-2007 18:23
From: Nika Talaj I agree with most of your post, Jessy. However, while I would love to thing that Live Chat or other Linden support mechanisms could act as a check on ResMod judgement, I doubt they do. Threads get sent to LR for FURTHER action (e.g. suspension /banning), not to validate the resmod'd judgment, I would think.
And I think there HAS been some outcry among posters, to the point of people leaving the forums for SC over single decisions.
The only way for people to feel this is fair is to spread the burden. Perhaps by having more resmods, and allowing them to monitor each other. Or for more residents to be involved in reviewing ARs against resmods, as well as bannings. I do in fact send some things to LR not for further action but so they can affirm my judgment. Every so often I see something new. The more controversial an item is the more likely I am to send it along to LR (it's good to cover you ass). Strictly speaking it's LRs decision if something needs further action, it's a tiny minority of reported threads that have recommendations attached. If you think the reasons a thread were closed were unfounded and it should be reopened please tell me and I'll ask LR to make a decision on the thread; I promise not to make sentencing recommendations. In the past a ResMod would not moderate a thread about them self (though they may flag it for linden review). I should not be above reproach which is why when I find an AR about me I tag the thread for Linden Review. Linden Review is a subforum located in the private resmod forums. The process of reporting a thread or individual for Linden Review starts with creating a thread in the Linden Review subforum. Any ResMod can add to the thread. In the past we would have discussions in the review threads. The Lindens would participate but not to provide information about the internals of LR process. When a resmod cracks, people notice. I try not to spend long amounts of time performing my duties. If I'm getting stressed I try to go do something else.
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Usagi Musashi
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09-06-2007 18:23
From: Psyra Extraordinaire Let's see... 71 threads since my last peek in a day or two ago, of which two are locked. That's 2.81% of threads locked. Hardly 'every thread we get into on here is locked' material....
Has a point here.......
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Usagi Musashi
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09-06-2007 18:33
I like to see these same people bitching about posting if it was 1 year ago. They would have been banned faster then what is occuring now. People now are getting away with all sort of crap. People last year were getting banned for less then 1% of what is now occuring in this forum. Count your lucky now a days...........you getting away with more then you LLABS has allowed in the past. Because of those Witch hunts some Lindens was doing just to use their power to get rid of people that did not like for some reason..
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Colette Meiji
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09-06-2007 18:42
I think people need to loosen up a lil bit.
The only ones who get banned from the forums are those that
a) Repeatedly and consistantly ignore warnings to stop doing something that is disrtuptive
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b) Repeatedly and cosistantly attack the moderators or another poster.
No one is getting banned for just speaking their mind.
Id honestly be interested in knowing if the people who've switched from active participation to lurking or using forums alts even got a single warning for what they said on the forums.
Ive never been suspended or anything and I have 6700 posts, and am not all that careful about what I say. (lol yeah I know)
Strife isnt out to get us.
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As far as the Lindens getting rid of the forums- They would decide to get rid of them for whatever business purpose they had at the time.
AND THEN come up with "Reasons" or what in the real world we call excuses.
Just like they do with everything else.
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Just for the record they are better off having an official forums, so that people less familiar with SL drama come here.
Instead of going to one of the 3rd party site which would scare the living daylights out of the average new person.
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Strife Onizuka
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09-06-2007 18:45
From: Isablan Neva Strife, I moderate another forum and know what you go through. That being said, I think you are asking too much of people not to have a little fun with threads that were misguided and never appropriate for the forum to begin with. It is harmless fun and certainly doesn’t deter people who need actual questions answered – the support that gets offered here in RA is far more than anything LL has ever given us. If threads that are trolling/whining/flamefests get derailed, why does this matter? It wasn’t constructive communication in the first place. Maybe we go a little overboard, but that is where gentle moderation could kick in with an “Ok, kids, enough with the pie for today, you’ve made your point that the thread was ill-advised. Let it die.” Not everything needs a lock and without the high likelihood of a thread being locked it may help us contain our mirth a bit. Creative people are legendary for being hard to manage, which means that moderating them requires an equal amount of creativity on your part. Locking threads is a blunt tool where maybe a subtler one used with more finesse might work equally well.
I’ll also suggest that you turn off the ability to create polls here in RA, they serve no purpose in this environment and most of the time they are just used to further someone’s agenda, as is evidenced by the poll options. Many of the polls are harmless amusement, but more often than not the poll is merely a means of inciting drama.
As for a General Discussion forum, it’s a bad idea. It didn’t work the last time and it won’t work if tried again, at least not until LL fixes the stability issues with SL and deals with their customer service failings. A General Discussion forum at this point in time just turns into endless numbers of whining threads that repeat the same message of “LL suxxors!111!” – we can go read the blog if we want that level of commentary. Resident Answers may get silly at times, but it serves a purpose and is generally a positive experience. Anyone who needs to figure out how something in SL works is 99% likely to get answers here, which are far better odds than with LL support or the Wiki.
Anyway, my unasked for .02L …. Awesome two cents. Thats the kind of feedback I needed. I'll try the "thats enough pie" suggestion. I'll have to ask LR to disable polls. Thats a very keen observation. I hadn't though about what people would be using it for.
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Sarah Nerd
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09-06-2007 19:38
From: Cristalle Karami Great White.
And to get back on topic, if this rant is about the Nerdagra Falls ad being moved, I don't sympathize. You already get plenty of press here, Sarah, you don't need yet another ad for your services in Resident Answers. Put it in the right place. Tell your friends. But don't get pissy if it gets moved. Yes I was upset about a single thread. Get real! I get pissy when thread after thread is closed and locked and I don't understand why or feel that is wasn't hurting anyone.
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Sarah Nerd
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09-06-2007 19:45
From: 2k Suisei The moderation is far from fair.
The worst thing Strife does is to lock a thread with the lame words - "This isn't a discussion forum" when he knows full well that there are many discussions already taking place.
It's like having a security guard walking into a 'no smoking' room where there's twenty people smoking and telling just one person to put their cigarette out.
LL can see what's happening and while I'm sure that they've not told Strife to behave the way he does, they're certainly not trying to stop him. So I hold LL responsible for the state of the forums. Perfectly stated and much more polite than my post. I know when I speak against the Rez Mods or forum policy I'm threading on thin ice with some people, But just like a lot of other people on the forums I just can't help myself.
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Cristalle Karami
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09-06-2007 19:54
From: Sarah Nerd Yes I was upset about a single thread. Get real! I get pissy when thread after thread is closed and locked and I don't understand why or feel that is wasn't hurting anyone. The thread wasn't actually locked, but moved. The problem is that it seemed to vanish into thin air, instead of leaving a trace behind to let people know it had been moved. And it's not really a matter of hurting anyone. This forum would be horrendous if we merged classifieds in here, and didn't delete them because "they aren't hurting anyone." They have their place. This just isn't it.
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Isablan Neva
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09-06-2007 21:57
From: Strife Onizuka Awesome two cents. Thats the kind of feedback I needed. I'll try the "thats enough pie" suggestion. *smiles* I think that most of us who snark our way through the forums on a regular basis would be willing to promise enough respect to comply when you ask us to lay off the irreverence when it has gone on long enough. There will be some who flat refuse and some of us will give in to temptation sometimes, but I bet most of us can manage to rein it in, however begrudgingly we might do so. 
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Nessa Yiyuan
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09-06-2007 22:09
I have to say sometimes I just feel bad for you Strife. I had to moderate the forum for my non-profit reptile rescue and it got to the point I just shut it down. I think you do a great job, while I don't always agree with the locks I do see the need.
I have to agree the SC forums are not work safe, but they are also not home safe if you have a four year old running around, that was an interesting experience the other day!
Oh please don't yell at me, I have seen Strife referred to as He and She, which is it?
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Colette Meiji
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09-06-2007 22:33
Having your thread moved or closed shouldnt be a big deal, really.
People take it too personally.
If it was a subject that diverged way off topic through no fault of the OP - Posting it again in a few days wouldnt be treated reposting would it?
If it was moved, then you put it in the wrong area of the forums, or else Strife was trying to avoid having to close it by putting it somewhere other than RA.
If it was on topic and closed - well that topic isnt a forums suitable topic.
If it was a topic that became an instant flame war - then its obvious why it was closed, its a controversial issue.
This isnt unique to SL forums. This is just a forums thing.
Some forums have very strict moderation, some not very strict and others no moderation.
It wouldnt do for SL official forums to have NO moderation.
Strict moderation would make these forums as boring as watching paint dry.
Not that they are super entertaining now, but they are at least as good as watching paint dry with hair dryer assistance.
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Strife Onizuka
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09-06-2007 23:18
From: Cristalle Karami ... The problem is that it seemed to vanish into thin air, instead of leaving a trace behind to let people know it had been moved. ... The current policy is to not leave redirects but considering that it's not one written in stone, I don't see why it can't be changed. @Sarah: There is a rule in the Forum Guidelines about posting in appropriate places. I usually just move the threads but repeat offenders do get reported to LR. I know LR sends out warning for cross posting and posting in the wrong places. @2k Suisei: Funny how a misquotation can undermine credibility, you should cite the post where I said exactly that, it's only proper after all, I promise not to report you for Reposting but i should probably for Trolling. Torley wrote the boilerplate I use. From: Isablan Neva There will be some who flat refuse and some of us will give in to temptation sometimes, but I bet most of us can manage to rein it in, however begrudgingly we might do so. It's only to be expected, can't win over everyone. I promise not to ask to often but I will put threads to bed when they have gone far enough. I don't see myself as a parent, cop, security guard, hall monitor or even a kid at a carnival playing whack-a-mole.
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Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
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Strife Onizuka
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09-06-2007 23:31
From: Nessa Yiyuan Oh please don't yell at me, I have seen Strife referred to as He and She, which is it? Your choice, I like to be enigmatic. Makes people think harder before they post, less likely to jump the gun and break rule two 
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Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
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Nina Stepford
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09-07-2007 00:01
id like to see something centred betwixt ra and sc. ra is a bit nannyish, reminds me of kindergarten. but then sc is the extreme opposite, like a teenage party with kids throwing beer around, smoking fags and pissing on the walls. all the pie talk is counter-productive imo. everyone knows ot comments increase the likelihood of a lock, so why tempt fate? i really dislike the popular pastime of ganging up on an op as well. i think the moderation is a bit quick on the button at times. if a thread has gone 50 posts and it gets pulled off topic i prefer the offending posts are dealt with rather than the thread locked. i also dont like threads being locked simply as a result of their length. threads have 600+ posts because they are of great interest to the community. im not sure if i like the idea of more rm's. i think a bit of distance (even aloofness) is required, very active forum participants arent necessarily the best moderators. so who to have as rm's then? sc is ok, but it is heavily geared toward old-school av's. its very clannish there and easy to feel on the outside. i do post there time to time, but ive never felt like a part of the group and never felt that my views or opinions amounted to much in an environment where ppl have known eachother for yonks and met up irl and have years of memories together and whatnot.
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Bradley Bracken
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09-07-2007 00:02
In response to the Title of this thread, there are currently 70 threads that appear when I click New Posts and not a single one is locked. So, the answer would obviously be "yes".
Strife, I want to commend you for the excellent job that you do. I'd pay to have your patience. Sure, I've seen a mistake here and there but I know I'd make many more if I managed the forums.
Keep up the great work!
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Usagi Musashi
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09-07-2007 00:04
From: Strife Onizuka Your choice, I like to be enigmatic. Makes people think harder before they post, less likely to jump the gun and break rule two  Hum............. I thought you wewre one of those types heheheh 
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Tegg Bode
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09-07-2007 00:27
From: Strife Onizuka Awesome two cents. Thats the kind of feedback I needed. I'll try the "thats enough pie" suggestion.
I'll have to ask LR to disable polls.
Thats a very keen observation. I hadn't though about what people would be using it for. Hmm Polls are useful at times to get a better look at the number of people supporting an issue, yes they are often abused, but can be handy too at times,, people posting to make trouble are going to make a post anyway whether it's a poll or not. Silly polls are fun, and if it's a bad poll, it can always be ignored............
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Strife Onizuka
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09-07-2007 00:29
From: Colette Meiji Having your thread moved or closed shouldnt be a big deal, really.
People take it too personally.
If it was a subject that diverged way off topic through no fault of the OP - Posting it again in a few days wouldnt be treated reposting would it?
If it was moved, then you put it in the wrong area of the forums, or else Strife was trying to avoid having to close it by putting it somewhere other than RA.
If it was on topic and closed - well that topic isnt a forums suitable topic.
If it was a topic that became an instant flame war - then its obvious why it was closed, its a controversial issue.
This isnt unique to SL forums. This is just a forums thing.
Some forums have very strict moderation, some not very strict and others no moderation.
It wouldnt do for SL official forums to have NO moderation.
Strict moderation would make these forums as boring as watching paint dry.
Not that they are super entertaining now, but they are at least as good as watching paint dry with hair dryer assistance. Do you mind if I adapt that into a sticky for the Public ResMod forum? Credit will be given.
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09-07-2007 01:14
From: Nessa Yiyuan I have seen Strife referred to as He and She, which is it? I've also seen Strife referred to in a number of terms a sweet innocent girl like me couldn't possibly repeat 
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Sally Silvera
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09-07-2007 01:37
From: Isablan Neva loads of sensible stuff ........... which I wholehartedly agree with. Sure it gets silly, but when it does it's usually in threads that are very obviously destined for a lock anyway. Also someone in an earlier post referred to the standard "this forum is not for general discussion" phrase but deleted the word "general", which IMHO is the whole point of that phrase. I take it to mean discussions on SL-related subjects are generally fine until they turn into trolling or flaming mayhem, discussions about sensitive and/or controversial non-SL subjects can lead to locks.
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2k Suisei
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09-07-2007 01:47
From: Strife Onizuka @2k Suisei: Funny how a misquotation can undermine credibility, you should cite the post where I said exactly that, it's only proper after all, I promise not to report you for Reposting but i should probably for Trolling.
I only had to look at three of your locked threads before finding your "This isn't a discussion forum..." crap. /327/7e/208646/1.html#post1664687Yes, I know you're just following LL's orders. But let's all hope Torley doesn't ask you to lock every thread on the forum beginning with the letter A. Because I'm sure you'd really enjoy that. The fact is that there's many resmods on the forums. But none of them are stupid enough to try to prevent discussion threads from taking place. But don't worry, I'm not going to report you for being a total asshole. LL already knows. ps - You're more than welcome to sticky this post
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Wulfric Chevalier
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09-07-2007 02:24
And I think you just proved Strife's point about misquotation. The actual quote is "This forum isn't for general discussion;". Note the word "general", which significantly changes the meaning. In other words this is a forum for discussion within guidelines which are clearly set out in a sticky. If a moderator feels that a thread is outside those guidelines then they are going to lock it. Not all those decisions will be correct, cerrtainly some of Strife's have made little sense to me, but if you are going to attack Strife for giving bad reasons for locking, you should at least quote him'her accurately.
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Hypatia Callisto
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09-07-2007 02:25
From: Susanne Pascale I went to SC in May and I have not posted very much here since that time. It is not perfect, way too much drama and stupid and needless flame wars, BUT if you something to say there, you can say it. Unless it pisses off the wrong person... and if you piss off the owner, that's it for you. No thanks, I think I have much better luck with Strife and Linden Review. At least they don't make decisions based on the twists and turns of their lovelife, or who their friends happen to be. I have reviewed all the alternatives and I find my own mindset corresponds to the Lindens more thoroughly than anywhere else. I don't always agree with them, but they are always open to reasoned criticism, and that's something I can respect. I still post occasionally at SLU and at the Darkmere forum (not very often, but I do like Cris and Lucifer) but... Caledon Forums and here is it for me pretty much.
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