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Creating Second Life Last Names

Loverboy Heart
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Join date: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1
04-12-2006 06:28
I like the first Idea... How many of us wish our partners carried the same name upon marriage in game, or since there is a family structure in game our inworld families carrying the same names. All I can say is its about time :)
Tre Giles
Registered User
Join date: 16 Dec 2005
Posts: 294
04-12-2006 09:30
From: crucial Armitage
well i am very against " owning" a name for the same reasons as loki and kris stated this will no doubly cause a huge amount of unnecessarily dram and confusion among residents.
and open up a new way for residents with deep pockets to charge residents huge fees to use the name with out actually doing anything to contribute to the community at large.
and what happens say if i buy a name and then sell it to 100 residents and then i don't pay my recurring fee as the " owner " of said name or I just quit second life. What happens to the 100 residents i have sold that name to do they have there name changed because i have quit the game? can you say DRAMA!!!!

I personally just would like to be Crucial Armitage as opposed to crucial Armitage


Yeah SAME HERE, I want to be Tre Giles instead of tre Giles......GAH ITS SO ANNOYING!
Shadow Garden
Just horsin' around
Join date: 17 Jul 2005
Posts: 226
04-12-2006 13:16
From: tre Giles
Yeah SAME HERE, I want to be Tre Giles instead of tre Giles......GAH ITS SO ANNOYING!


From: Torley Linden
Yes! I'd suggest you email [email]support@secondlife.com[/email] and request your capitalization. An lowercase ---> UPPERCASE substitution can be done.


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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
04-12-2006 15:22
Before SL goes forward with this I think they need to let us know exactly what the heck they're going forward with. because there's some really major problems with some of the possibilities they brought up in the original post.
Lou Hoodoo
My <3 Beats 4 Boo Hoodoo
Join date: 5 Jan 2005
Posts: 25
Is This Available Now?
04-12-2006 17:56
Is this feature available now? I'm asking becuz I know of a person who has a custom last name. All characters with the name were created on 2/15/06. Roughly 25-30 characters. Some belong to a particular land baron's groups.

If it's not available, I'd like to know why this certain person gets privileges beyond all other people. Is it becuz they sink 10's of thousands real money into LL each month?
jet Duke
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 4
Hey my friends..
04-12-2006 18:42
They changed their names and i want to change mine too like to nanodige switchblade please I really want that one. I would like to change jet duke to that one nanodige switchblade.
Tre Giles
Registered User
Join date: 16 Dec 2005
Posts: 294
04-12-2006 18:49
From: jet Duke
They changed their names and i want to change mine too like to nanodige switchblade please I really want that one. I would like to change jet duke to that one nanodige switchblade.


HEH, hey they changed my name because I asked 'em to too lol. From tre giles to Tre Giles just like I asked. Thanks LL (for once), maybe start name changes for Lz or something, and last names FOR FREEEEEEEEE. Jet I hope you get your name changed or partially changed for free like me >:).

P.S. Seems my last name hs become rare, I have only seen 2 giles not including myself in all of my SL trips.
Felix Uritsky
Prime Minister of Lupinia
Join date: 15 Dec 2004
Posts: 267
04-13-2006 00:15
From: Tre Giles

P.S. Seems my last name hs become rare, I have only seen 2 giles not including myself in all of my SL trips.


That tends to happen with age, I see almost no Uritskys anymore. The existing last name system creates a sort of time capsule when looking at other people, which will kinda suck to lose. However, in my opinion (and most folks concur), the benefits of choosing last names will greatly outweigh the downsides, if executed properly.
liz Bessie
Registered User
Join date: 29 Sep 2005
Posts: 16
About The Name Change
04-13-2006 01:40
I just got SecondLife married and would love to change my name in secondlife to my new husbands i do think if you get married you should be allowed. As it looks better when you are together and you tell people you are married.

Please can we have it so we can change the name if we want to as i desperately want to change my Bessie to Faulkland.

thankyou for taking your time in reading this.
Pam Gerstort
Registered User
Join date: 1 Jan 2006
Posts: 3
Name Change
04-13-2006 03:07
From: Megz Xevious
Yes, I am in favor of this. People will tend to make names like car plates, and try and get some in-appropriate one through. That is my only concern.



Im all for it as I just got married and would love to have my husbands last name as I would do in Real life. But Also have the option of going back to either the original or even a new name. If the marragie doesnt work out.
Pete Vox
Registered User
Join date: 8 Apr 2005
Posts: 6
04-13-2006 04:24
Hi all,

I've designed (and currently sell) a door access control system that could, potentially, be severely affected by a name changing system in-world...so have come up with a suggestion that may cover some of the issues. Please excuse if this has already been suggested - but 19 pages of posts is a lot to get through.

Hope this is useful.

Name Creation / Creating Alias
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- Allow all new users signing up the option to create a second name, or select from Linden created list. Names must be unique. This name will be your 'birth name' - and should remain with you for life as your 'real' name. Certain last names should be banned (trademarks, Linden, offensive etc.).
- Existing premium account holders should also be given the choice of changing their second name for free, one time only and under the rules of uniqueness etc. These account holders are also given an option to notify everyone on their friends list of the change (it is their responsibility to do so if they choose 'no')...and all in-world assets owned, or created by this resident are updated to reflect new name (though existing UUID does not change so this may be an automatic update anyway).
- Once a 'real' name has been created, it is never available to anyone else again.
- New feature, 'Alias' - or A.K.A.
- Only available to premium account holders.
- Aliases are unique
- Alias can be created/changed once for free, subsequent changes carry a heavy(ish) $L fee ($1000 for example)
- Once an alias has been created, it is never available to anyone else again.
- When active, your visible in-world name becomes your alias, and is encapsulated by '' or "" marks ('Pete Vox' for example)
- You can be located by searching for either your 'real' name, or current alias
- SL Website / forum posts also reflect current alias / real name depending on resident's current preference setting
- Alias reflected in your profile (e.g. 'Pete Vox'), or on objects you have created in place of your real name, if you choose this in preferences.


Large Families
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- A SIM owner may apply (one time) to attach to, or reserve, a unique second name for their SIM (additional $US cost of course), and then authorizes the creation of aliases with that selected second name. Allows the creation of 'family' groups.
- Similar to a group in the way it works.
- A person being ejected from the family loses the alias.


Anonymity
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- Some residents commented that they would like to change name, and not be traceable by anyone etc. In these cases, the resident should be required to create a new account, and close their existing...however...an option should be provided to allow the transfer of all inventory to this new account. Should carry a heavy $L or $US fee to deter griefers.


Name To Key Function
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- No need to implement for this reason alone now (unless there are other reasons for people to need it). Aliases just a visual thing, and won't affect existing scripted objects like security / access control systems as existing scripts will continue to check for 'real' name...though there could be a new command added to LL scripting to check specifically for agent 'aliases' in area etc.


Ownership / Name Market
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- Not implemented. Apart from sim-owners (one per sim), no-one can 'own' a second name, or resell it. Stops elitism, and avoids the danger of 'name' barons controlling large numbers of last names etc.
jet Duke
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 4
But its no fair
04-13-2006 04:56
my friends change their name and you dont want me to. I rushed on to pick my name im not liying I was rushing to play the game and see how it was because I dont like the name Jet Duke I like nanodige switchblade its ok if I have to pay I have 30,352L but I would do anything to change my name because I really dont like Jet Duke Remember I can pay and I just rushed to play the game. I should have done that but it was very exciting.
Sco Jimenez
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Join date: 20 Nov 2005
Posts: 13
04-13-2006 07:55
From: Dianne Mechanique
Yeah, I agree with Paolo (and most others on the thread so far), that option one has problems.

I can't see anyway to do it that could possibly be fair.

Suppose my last name is "Jones" but someone with a lot of cash buys up the rights to it. Kind of goes around the whole point of being flexible with last names. Even if my RL name is not "jones," but I just want to be a "Jones" for some humourous or artistic reason, why should I lose out just because someone bought the rights?

This seems to be one of those things where a capitalist or "market' kind of model is being applied to something that it just does not suit.

I like the second one best, but if you are going to do that, why not just let people pick whatever first and last names they want?

I see a problem in that it is also not fair at all to do this without letting current players "change" their names. I believe that will cause a lot of problems initially, but will likely smooth out over the long haul as Ghoti said earlier.

Needless to say, to build into the game the ability to change ones name at will, even for a fee, can also cause some "interesting" situations. In the end, it will of course mean that people can pick any first and last they want as the new last name choices pile up.

This is good, but wouldn't it be simpler just to do that? to let people pick firsts and lasts?

In other words, except for the first option (of registering names and keeping control over them), any plan that allows for last name choosing, will eventually arrive at that same spot given time. Sso why not start now?

my 2 cents. :)

Dianne


I agree, why not just let us choose our first and last name?
Mariah Ghia
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Join date: 31 Oct 2005
Posts: 3
Creating SL last names
04-13-2006 09:56
From: Ghoti Nyak
Great ideas!

How about also offering us the option to rename our current avatars?

Yes, some confusion may result when suddenly calling cards or friendships disappear, but people that wish to change their last names could be responsible for informing others whom they wish to know of the change. I'm assuming some sort of fee would be required as well.

I want this option because I would like to change my last name but do not want to face the impossible task of transfering all of my inventory, land ownership, etc to a new avatar.

-Ghoti



I agree with Ghoti. I would like to be able to change my name completely without having to start a new account. I also know what a problem this will entail as some people will try and use obscene or inappropriate names. Perhaps if we could contact Linden Labs directly with our request to change our name or at least part of it would be an option.
Yiffy Yaffle
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Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
04-13-2006 11:19
I have only seen like 2 other Yaffle's. We all know them well too. I would say their names but then the topic would get locked.
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jet Duke
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Join date: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 4
Yeah
04-13-2006 11:25
I agree with Mariah because I dont want to start an all new account over I have alot of friends on mine now and items. They would all be gone if you make a new account But some people don't like their name and might of rushed to pick an account name or last name like I did I picked jet Duke but I dont like that name. You should be able to change your name on SL. Because what if you are a premium member and you pay you will have to delete that account. You might work so hard on it then say to yourself I dont like my name maybe I should make a new one. Some people get in that habit. Like me but I dont want to make a new account. As you know I rushed on my account to play the game. That happend to alot of other people. I like the name nanodige switchblade I would be very happy if I can change it to that name.


+ If you were a premium you would have to pay all over again. I want my name changed to


nanodige switchblade

Thanks for reading my post and I hope my name can be changed to that.
Willy White
Second Life Resident
Join date: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 5
Last name change
04-13-2006 11:28
I am very much in favor of a last name change.When I came into SL there was none that I really wanted so i just took one to match my first name.
For me it would also need to be a time charge.I dropped out of a Premium account because of the monthly automatic fee.I would also like to see that changed to a voluntary quarterly or yearly fee , if you don't pay it you lose your Premium Account.
Shai King
Very Happy
Join date: 27 Oct 2004
Posts: 30
*sigh*
04-13-2006 11:53
And the beat goes on...and on...and on...and on... :/
Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
04-13-2006 16:15
*gets out a base drum* :D
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Melisande Aquitaine
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Join date: 3 Feb 2006
Posts: 18
04-14-2006 07:17
Oh I missed the meeting the other day on name changes!

Anywho, my main focus is on creating an a SL identity, it should be as customizable as possible. The current last names selection is so limiting and unreasonable.

I do not agree with having to pay annual fees for creating or choosing a name.

But I do ver much like the idea that you could generate a name yourself, both first and last, and offer the last name for others to potentially use (maybe pay a fee if you wish to restrict its use for a specified time). This sounds reasonable and rather democratic. If others like the last name, good for them, they could choose it too. If X amount of people use it, then it is -temporarily- retired for a year.

But, having said that, if you have a 'relitive' (role play or not) who wishes to share your last name but it is no longer available, then you should be able to offer them the last name post-character creation, in a simular way as a wedded couple would share the last name. Small fee for this or not, if two or more people wish to share a familial surname then they should be able to do this. It sould be a one time fee, not reoccuring.

One poster had commented that his/her desire to create a last name has held them back from further investment into second life, because of the lack of absolute customability of his/her identiy. I share this feeling. When creating my very new character. I looked at the list and had to choose the least 'worst' last name (understandably in my opinion of corse).

Now that I have a bit of time under my belt and know more about Second Life, I wish to further alter my character and persona, but can not because of the lack or reasonable names. I would delete this character and create one with the name that I desire if the option to choose a last name (then offer it on the list for others) were available.

In a world of billions, and all those cultures out there, limiting the last name selection is short sighted. Imagine the last name diversity if -you- could choose it! And, imagine that others might enjoy it too! Or create one of their own.

Of corse, the database would expand expotentially, as people offer more and more last names to choose from.
Kira Zobel
Registered User
Join date: 6 Jan 2006
Posts: 345
04-14-2006 13:26
I'm honestly tired of my last name. Yeah.

I would like to be able to change it from existing names, I don't want to make my own.
jet Duke
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 4
We all want our names changed
04-14-2006 18:07
I dont like the name jet Duke I really want nanodige switchblade. Alot of people dont like their first and last names. I will pay L if I have to I have I think 9K.




I hope the linden lab see's this and agrees if I can have my name changed I was on this fourm for awhile now and im going to stay untill my name is changed or untill I get the answer we all really want our names changed. The name jet Duke I want the switched to..





Nanodige Switchblade
Dismay Wilde
Bleed Designs Owner
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,771
04-15-2006 19:11
Hmm I like the idea of getting a new last name...I personally would like to have my hubby's last name so if there was a way to get that im all for it :D
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gabriella Cookie
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Join date: 7 Feb 2006
Posts: 2
sounds like a plan
04-16-2006 05:19
From: Robin Linden
We're looking for your feedback on two new features which we're considering as ways to allow SL residents to create their own names. You can give us feedback here, or collect a notecard from a Liaison or one of the distribution boxes at the Welcome Areas and at the Linden Office and drop your comments into one of the collection boxes at the same locations.

Creating your own Second Life last names

Please take a moment to read the following two idea descriptions. What do you think? Would you take advantage of the ability to create your own Second Life last name? Do these approaches make sense, or do you have another idea for increasing the flexibility of the naming system in SL? What seems like a reasonable fee for these services? Do you agree with the payment options (recurring or single fees)? Anything else you want to tell us?

Own a Second Life Last Name
Purchase a SL last name that doesn't currently exist in the name choices. You own the rights to the name and can transfer it to other residents through an invitation to use it. The name right is analogous to an Internet domain name -- it can be transferred to another person. The fee for ownership would be a recurring annual fee.

Start a New Second Life Last Name
You can create a new Second Life last name list and be the first to use it. The fee for create the name would be a one time set up charge.


yes i think this could be a great idea, especially since there are marriages and some might like, male or female to taek the others names. Would lvoe to be able, without changing avis to carry my husbands name in game.
gabriella Cookie
Registered User
Join date: 7 Feb 2006
Posts: 2
sounds like a plan
04-16-2006 05:20
From: Robin Linden
We're looking for your feedback on two new features which we're considering as ways to allow SL residents to create their own names. You can give us feedback here, or collect a notecard from a Liaison or one of the distribution boxes at the Welcome Areas and at the Linden Office and drop your comments into one of the collection boxes at the same locations.

Creating your own Second Life last names

Please take a moment to read the following two idea descriptions. What do you think? Would you take advantage of the ability to create your own Second Life last name? Do these approaches make sense, or do you have another idea for increasing the flexibility of the naming system in SL? What seems like a reasonable fee for these services? Do you agree with the payment options (recurring or single fees)? Anything else you want to tell us?

Own a Second Life Last Name
Purchase a SL last name that doesn't currently exist in the name choices. You own the rights to the name and can transfer it to other residents through an invitation to use it. The name right is analogous to an Internet domain name -- it can be transferred to another person. The fee for ownership would be a recurring annual fee.

Start a New Second Life Last Name
You can create a new Second Life last name list and be the first to use it. The fee for create the name would be a one time set up charge.


yes i think this could be a great idea, especially since there are marriages and some might like, male or female to take the others last names. Would love to be able, without changing avis, to carry my husbands name in game.
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