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Maxwolf Goodliffe
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01-09-2006 10:33
The name barrons are something to be feared, people buying up names like candy and selling them for high rates that nobody will pay and there will be nicks like in AOL, has anyone ever tried to get a username on AOL in recent years, and picked exactly what they wanted?
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Loniki Loudon
Homes By Loniki
Join date: 5 Dec 2005
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Last Names
01-11-2006 09:57
I find it hard to explore this issue without knowing the reason why the system in place was created the way it was in the first place.
As far as buying a last name, I think thats a really really bad idea, sorry.... I can not see how a deal like that could not lead to bad publicity. What ever you do, I think you need to allow a mechinism of changing last name when you get married in SL, as an option... or even better yet a hyphenated last name. |
Erik Pasternak
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Join date: 13 Dec 2005
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Decision Please?
01-12-2006 10:32
I too am eagerly awaiting a decision on this as I have two RL artists signed to my record label, but can't create AV's for them until I know the status of this. If I can get their real life names (as there are collateral marketing issues), I intend to, if not, I'll figure something out.
It doesn't make any sense to make a super star out of some one in SL, if people have no idea who the RL person is. Why can't we just request a last name be added and have it added for a fee? It doesn't have to be proprietary, this way, LL could make sure the system isn't being abused. |
Yiffy Yaffle
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01-12-2006 13:08
You know when i started SL i wanted to be named my internet persona's name. But since her last name was not available in the list, i chose the name i got... It would be so nice to change that. Even if i cant change my first name id just use another account.
If this ability takes into action, will we be able to pick names that once existed like Vixen, Kitty, or Fox? For those of us that didnt created our accounts at the wrong time. ![]() _____________________
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Pain Pirandello
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Join date: 26 Oct 2005
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01-12-2006 13:20
is worse then that I could not use Jassin, due to it having ass in there!
From Linden Labs. > > > > We do not accept names with "ass" because, although Second Life accepts > > mature content in some zones, avatars are not restricted to mature zones > > only, they can go anywhere in Second Life. Allowing mature content (this > > is considered as such) to leave mature areas is not something we are > > interested in. > > > > The automated filter is here to prevent such problems from occuring, and > > it is impossible to bypass this hardcoded limit. My responce! Well I guess thats ok, at least it takes: Welcome Koksukr Eliot! Have a great day! |
Cirius Montale
Don't Mess With The Bot
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01-17-2006 05:10
I was born into this world some months ago, and the name I took was in essence a collaboration of spelling moderations, concession making and trial and error...After much fiddling with alternatives the name Cirius Montale was finally accepted and thus I was born to the world of Second Life.
There I have stayed, wandered, met many interesting people, and built several interesting things. To those interesting people, I am Cirius Montale. That is the name they know me by, and it is by their name that I know them. I ask you, do you really want to check each and every avatar you come across to see if it is someone you already know? For me, in a world of constantly changing appearances, the name is the only concrete certainty available for identification. When I was born, I was not asked to pay for my name. Every year, on my birthday, a man from the council declines to turn up on my doorstep and demand Name-Tax. The very idea of charging for names sickens me to the core. The freedom to chose a name is an important thing, but I cannot support any kind of justification for owning intellectual or even financial rights to a surname. Certainly, the introduction of unique names would open up many people to names they could not otherwise have accessed, but ensure these names are unique. If one person chooses a name, ensure no-one else may take that name. It is a simple request. Certainly, remove the strict list of last names, but limit name changing to partnerships and individual cases of mis-typing and spelling mistakes. If I cannot rely on the name above someone's head, what is there left to rely upon? |
Relee Baysklef
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01-17-2006 05:30
I'm really proud of my last name, it shows how long I've been around Second Life.
People can sit amazed at something Xylor Baysklef made, and know that I'm just as old, we got our name in the same name-period. Of course there are a lot of really cool last names that would suit me better, or even one that I made myself, however I wouldn't trade away the value of my current surname if I could help it. _____________________
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Mimi Therian
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01-17-2006 12:36
Ok I really want the ability to make our own last names very bad, infact I had a long conversation with a linden about it. Ok here is my 2 cents , I think we should be able to make any last name we want with multiple options ex1. even old ones like "Bean" or "Casanova" or "Therian" and such things. Then I think a other option should be to make tottaly orginal ones and invite people to it
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Hollee Hedges
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Join date: 27 Apr 2004
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01-17-2006 13:36
I would love to have the option of taking my partners last name, could this be a possibility?
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Erik Pasternak
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Join date: 13 Dec 2005
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Our World? Our Imagination?
01-17-2006 15:00
"Second Life - Your World. Your Imagination."
But someone else's last name? I don't get it. We're free to wear chicken suits with giant attached pervert's and build 100 m monuments to various falic dieties, but we can't choose our own identity? Please please please give us an answer on this. I'm holding off on major business and marketing decisions because of the delay here. If it's not going to happen, I'm going to have to get creative and come up with a solution. I'm fine with that. But if I commit to a course of action and THEN LL opens up the last name pool, I'm screwed. I will have spent hundred's of dollars, possibly thousands by that point to promote personalities in SL, and will not be able to use that marketing effort for real world synergy. I understand it's a paradigm shift, and a major decision for LL. All I want to be able to do is suggest last names that haven't been used yet and have them added to the choices if they are appropriate. I will pay for this service, and I have no desire to have exclusive ownership of any name. Can we get LL's thoughts on this so far? Is it still even under consideration? Are we beating a dead horse here? |
Robin Linden
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Update on Current Thinking
01-23-2006 16:37
After reading through all of the ideas posted here, along with those given to us in-world, we're considering the following 3 options with respect to naming. The design is not done yet, nor is developer time scheduled. So please take a look and if you have additional thoughts feel free to comment. We'll also hold in-world discussions, although not for another month or so since we're tied up with other priorities right now.
1. Allow the changing of last names * Limit number of name changes to existing accounts for a given time period * Create an identity history and look-up with flag to alert people to recent changes * Establish what defines identity and make sure it seamlessly transfers with the name: inventory, profile, support and discipline history, land ownership, group memberships 2. Allow the creation and sale of new last names * Continue to provide a pre-existing list of 'free' names * Allow existing and new residents to choose any last name they wish * Charge a fee to create and use a new name * To avoid the problems of exclusivity and name squatting, anyone who purchases a last name has the right to invite others to use their last name. In turn these people inherit the right to invite others to use the name. * The amount and type of the fees is an open question at this point 3. Establish a name directory * Allow new and existing residents to preview names that exist and are available. This directory would become a source for those seeking invitations to their names of choice. * With the release of the directory residents can get new names by 1) choosing a free, pre-existing name, 2) registering a new name and being the first to use it, or 3) seeking an invitation to an available name. _____________________
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luminye Onizuka
Lumine Onizuka
Join date: 28 Mar 2004
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01-23-2006 16:46
oh i like the idea about giving existing accounts choice of last name for limited time, i be first in line!! I would love to have my husband's last name
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Robin Linden
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01-23-2006 16:55
Oops! Let me clarify -- residents would be able to change their names whenever they like, with the limitation that they could only do it a specified number of times within a given time period.
So for example, you might only be able to change your name 2 times in a 6 month period. The actual limits still need to be agreed on. There might also be a fee for this service. _____________________
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Nargus Asturias
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01-23-2006 19:36
I would like to suggest some bunch of L$ for changing surname. So it act as a sink to the L$ pool also. As for newly register...I don't know. I don't see another way but real money...unless a registered member can buy someone new surname as a gift using L$?
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Frans Charming
You only need one Frans
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01-23-2006 23:55
Robin, how will LL deal with people who deliberately change their name to a allready existing name or something very similar, and start to impersonate the former? Will we have to deal with this through the slow proces of Abuse reports, or will there be a more faster process? And if such a thing happens what will the action of LL be, forced name change, ban, suspesion, public mocking and covering with tar and feathers?
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Kazuhiko Shirakawa
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01-24-2006 06:03
* To avoid the problems of exclusivity and name squatting, anyone who purchases a last name has the right to invite others to use their last name. In turn these people inherit the right to invite others to use the name. I'm not sure how this avoids name squatting -- if someone buys, say, "Smith" and then simply refuses to invite anyone else into the name, a fair number of people will be annoyed (and/or create variations such as Smyth, Smithe, Smitth, etc. etc. ad nauseam). On the other hand, it would mean that nobody can force everyone to pay, say, $100 to use the name because as soon as one person pays that price, they can pass on the name to others. |
Smith Peel
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01-24-2006 07:41
On the other hand, it would mean that nobody can force everyone to pay, say, $100 to use the name because as soon as one person pays that price, they can pass on the name to others. Yes but they can force one person to pay 10,000L$... or something like that. The next person might ask for 9,000L$ to pass the name on... And on and on until it is finally free. I personally don't see how this will stop name-squatting either, unless there is something added to TOS about name-selling. _____________________
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Smith Peel
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01-24-2006 08:59
* To avoid the problems of exclusivity and name squatting, anyone who purchases a last name has the right to invite others to use their last name. In turn these people inherit the right to invite others to use the name. I think there are still a few kinks that need to be worked out here. As someone mentioned, the person may not invite others to share the name, keeping it exclusive. They may also try to sell the name, even though it will eventually become free this way. Perhaps if a new name is created, it should become available to everyone. If the original person has paid money for the name, however, they should get some distinction. Such as listing them in the directory as 'the first in the great line of (Name)s..." ![]() _____________________
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Cenji Neutra
www.apez.biz
Join date: 30 Oct 2004
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key <-> name mapping & altruism?
01-24-2006 10:03
Couple questions:
1) A lot of scripts use & store avatar names in addition to keys, what sort of impact/breakage of compatibility would you estimate moving to a 1->many / avatar->name mapping? Would we likely see wide spread disruption of banking, renting, gaming (and other services that rely heavily on scripting) for an extended time while they re-write their scripts? 2) Would the avatar's key in fact remain fixed - as a sort of absolute name, or would that change too? I personally don't like the idea of multiple names per avatar, but I'm only one person. I hope at lease an avatar's key remains constant. The reason is because of human nature. Thanks to the particular evolutionary course we (and other social animals on Earth) have taken, we have a strong reciprocal altruism behavioural propensity built into our genes. People interact with others using a strategy often call 'tit-for-tat'. What that means is that people usually implicitly trust strangers initially. When people give to someone they expect something in return and repeated positive interactions of that nature builds trust. Only when a person demonstrates malevolence do we remember that they can't be trusted in future (once bitten, twice shy, as they say). The identity of the people we interact with is central to this behaviour. If you allow avatars to easily change their names often, you're removing the only way people have to identify each other. Hence, everyone will have to treat others as strangers, inhibiting the building of trusting relationships. In addition to this, the knowledge you can change your identify at any time also tempts people to behave badly. I fear SL could quicky devolve into an environment where one has to assume every stranger is malevolent. That would be very sad. |
Solar Shirakawa
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Join date: 12 Jan 2006
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01-24-2006 14:39
I think the game theory kind of altruism would still survive. You could put your old avatar name in your profile "used to be so and so". Still caveat emptor, this is the net common sense about getting to know somebody before trusting them with money etc.
I looked through the list of names and didn't find one even close to the one I want from my MMORP char. Making our own names is a good idea. But yeah somebody could pay for a new name and just sit on it to be exclusive. |
Nargus Asturias
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01-24-2006 16:12
Actually myself don't like the idea of changable name too. But that because I have think hard before I chose my name. I know this kind of problem will happen otherwise. But as Cenji, changable name sure has some big impact on scripts/database system. There're many scripts that save data using avatar name only and...I do not sure that the owner of the shop (who use the scripts) will have enough time to notice the Name Changed notification message. Maybe they mostly use an alt account. Or the account they keep the name is a money-keeper alt. Or that they never really met the avatar whose name changed. How could you notify him if the latest case?
I think this kind of change need at least some preparation time before it can really happen as scripters update their script to save key other than name. _____________________
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Robin Linden
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01-24-2006 16:21
Breaking scripts is definitely a problem if the scripts depend on avatar names. An alternative is to have scripts use the UUID (think of it as a phone number, or address) which is unique to each avatar and wouldn't change even if the name does.
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Max Case
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01-24-2006 17:28
Breaking scripts is definitely a problem if the scripts depend on avatar names. An alternative is to have scripts use the UUID (think of it as a phone number, or address) which is unique to each avatar and wouldn't change even if the name does. yes, it breaks a couple of scripts. For example, my voting machine will be broken by this on some level. I used Names as opposed to UUIDs for a couple of reasons. No biggie though. But, while it's nice in theory that everyone should use UUID's, many residents don't get UUIDs, and don't know how to get UUIDs. As opposed to names, which is very easy for non technical people to use - ie: filling in notecards for who can open/close doors. Perhaps this information should be included in profiles once this happens? Personally, I think name changes are a bad idea or a whole host of reasons, not just broken scripts. _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
Future Rockin' Resmod
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01-24-2006 18:10
After reading through all of the ideas posted here, along with those given to us in-world, we're considering the following 3 options with respect to naming. The design is not done yet, nor is developer time scheduled. So please take a look and if you have additional thoughts feel free to comment. We'll also hold in-world discussions, although not for another month or so since we're tied up with other priorities right now. 1. Allow the changing of last names * Limit number of name changes to existing accounts for a given time period * Create an identity history and look-up with flag to alert people to recent changes * Establish what defines identity and make sure it seamlessly transfers with the name: inventory, profile, support and discipline history, land ownership, group memberships 2. Allow the creation and sale of new last names * Continue to provide a pre-existing list of 'free' names * Allow existing and new residents to choose any last name they wish * Charge a fee to create and use a new name * To avoid the problems of exclusivity and name squatting, anyone who purchases a last name has the right to invite others to use their last name. In turn these people inherit the right to invite others to use the name. * The amount and type of the fees is an open question at this point 3. Establish a name directory * Allow new and existing residents to preview names that exist and are available. This directory would become a source for those seeking invitations to their names of choice. * With the release of the directory residents can get new names by 1) choosing a free, pre-existing name, 2) registering a new name and being the first to use it, or 3) seeking an invitation to an available name. I fervidly protest #1 and second Max's opinions. #2 and #3 could be expanded upon if you excluded existing users. If someone wants a new name, they could create an alt and then go the route of #'s 2 and 3. _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
Future Rockin' Resmod
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01-24-2006 18:16
Oh, and excluding current users, #'s 2 and 3 could be very useful for group business ventures within SL (a la the "Linden" surname's organizational advantages).
For example, Nintendo (or company X) could purchase the rights to a "Nintendo" surname for junior game developers to try out their ideas within SL and then control invitation to their family. _____________________
"The mob requires regular doses of scandal, paranoia and dilemma to alleviate the boredom of a meaningless existence."
-Insane Ramblings, Anton LaVey |