No-fly zones are killing the fun

So now land owners should be financially punished because someone wants access?
Is that what you're suggesting?

The surcharge was paid when the land was purchased.
The surcharge is there. It's called tier.

We already pay for the right to use banlines.

No-fly zones are killing the fun <== Yes.. i agree for the FUN part only.. to fly around and dont need to walk 10min or just play Superman ? lol

I block the Fly on my land ( shop ) and why ?
Well if i build a platform its for a good reason and not for all people..
If a moment i want to be alone with my partner ( yes i know they are a lot of place for that ) but my land IS my land and i can change the radio the video or just rezzing some stuff like a couch for cuddle.
Or Just cause i build stuff so no one can come asking question while i build or speak all the time or some noob playing with popgun etc.. i need silence for build AND for stop the person who want to try to copy my stuff i really hate people who do that..
A week ago i was on my platform and start to hear a kind of plane sound... and.. OH a girl in a kind of small plane watching me at 700 in the sky !! and stay there for like 3min.. waiting.. dunno if she started to think ( hmm i'm at 700 i'm front of the creator of the shop on her platform.. perhaps i disturb ? ).
So now.. i can allow fly cause i'm not a bad person and dont block for bother all but the problem is.. some person see a green point they take a plane.. go up at 700 and look.. its something i cant accept.. platform 700 in the sky + No-fly = private.. but some person still continue and go into my neighbour land with Fly and go up in sky for watch.

Well you have to realise that some of us use SL for a leisure pursuit, and sometimes I watch things happening on my screen for fun or interest. I sometimes stop and watch construction workers in real life, too. No it wasn't me in the aircraft, but there is such a thing as being too paranoid

I was out in my shiny new helicopter yesterday, at Abbott's and decided to fly home. I encountered various impediments that finally caused me to just TP home. It would be nice to be able to fly anywhere, but with skyboxes and whatnot, people's land rights are a legitimate concern.

One problem with skyhousing and Security Orbs is that 8 seconds are too little amount of time because you are often enough surronded by no-fly and no-entry areas, that the little 8 seconds do not give you the chance to escape to somewhere else.
Apart from this, nowhere in realworld some landlord has the right to restrict access above some certain limit.
In SL are limits much to high at the moment. Linden should think about setting limits for permanent buildings a lot lower than they actually are.
Some parcel oweners even set you autoamtically on ban lists, when you enter whithout seeing the security orb soon enough, which is mostly impossible, since the are resized by cutting into tiny bits of prims, almost invisible even when you stand directly in front of them. After this you have the minimum height of 786m to banned parcels.
This is not funny at all and resitricts fun for all. You cannot see through the clouds from above 400m anyway. So what about this almost 800m height?
I really hope Linden is gong to restrict permanent buildings to 500m as well as private property in general. What is above that 500m should not be private at all and be removed in cycles typical for sandboxes.

Just my cents!

Um.. you also can't fly unaided in "realworld". When you add that third dimension for movement, you have to take it into account when talking about restrictions.


On your land, you can set them wherever you want them. Don't presume to say what should be done on mine.

It's not about funny and it's not about your fun. It's about landowners being restricted for doing nothing wrong.


You're kidding, right?

Good lord. This isn't the biggest load of entitlement I've ever heard, but it comes close.

As I said. You do what you want on your land. I won't stop you.
Here's the thing, though. Don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do or be able to do on mine.

Umm one word, hypocrite talking about entitlement then saying that your entitled to do whatever the hell you want just because you own the land.

I wouldn't tell what to do on "your land", but hopefully Linden will make you stay on "your land" and make you keep your hands off from the sky above some limit sooner or later!

Yeah.. that's exactly it. I'm entitled to do whatever the hell I want BECAUSE I OWN THE LAND. The guy who wants to stop me building over 500m doesn't.

I paid for the privilege and ability to build where I want on it, ban who I want, do as I like, within the agreement I have with Linden Labs.

You didn't. No one else did. Just me.

You may want to look into the subject of entitlement before you comment again.

Calling me a hypocrite because I speak out against SOMEONE ELSE wanting to restrict my abilities as a land owner is ridiculous.

They pay for the water too. The prims on the water count against them.. its private property.



It doesn't ruin my fun. And I pay for the land..so my priviledges come before the random passerby. They could raise pay access lines to the ful 768m then I can just charge you 100 lindens for 5 minutes passage. Oh and they already restrict permanent building, its called 768m, get used to it.

Even IF they lowered permanent building I would put security orbs up to ensure the 768m no fly zone, and keep them up everytime I log on. I still enforce the 200m from ground myself.

Why? That's part of the package I agreed to with them.
Part of the understanding with them is that I can build in the sky, on the ground.
Therefore, with your suggestion that they limit it is taking away stuff from me, the landowner, stuff that I paid for.

Good God } a little on the overkill side don't you think ? You don't own the airspace above 90M you may have the right to build above your land but what you are sugesting is griefing. Just because you pay teir does not give you the right to grief people for simply going about their buisness. What on earth are you up to in your skybox that has you so paranoid about being discovered that you would even consider such action? No don't tell me I'm realy not interested, in what you get up to in your skybox.

Flying is a default function of this game. The "you can't fly in RL" faction should remember this is not RL, it's SL, a game in which you can fly if you want. I'm willing to respect your wish not to be disturbed on your land but above 90m it's not your land anymore it's airspace and if you use an SOB on me for just going somewhere else and happen to pass over your land I will AR you in a heartbeat. IRL if you live under the flightpath of an airport does it give you the right to shoot down any passing Pan Am flight ? No ! Same here! It's a fact of life (SL that is), live with it or buy an island and go do whatever it is you do in your skybox, there.

fine all use a more appropriate term ASSHOLE and go ahead and report me for cursing at you, 99.99% of the other posters here will back me up if it comes to that.

I wish some RL-type planning laws were in force at least on the mainland. Obviously I am happy that island owners can make their own rules. But I am paying tier for 1024 m of land with a sea view - and 2 days after buying it I no longer have a sea view due to people building platforms all over the sea.

I also would have loved to go on a trek walking all the way round the mainland on the shore line. In the UK they're actually bringing in laws called "right to roam" that protect the right of the peaceful walker to do natural things like wanting to walk uninteruptedly along the coastline.

"If I ruled the world" (lol) I would make a rule that on the mainland the only building on the beach or out into the sea would be for amenities that were intended to be open to the public, like a pier, or a beach disco, that it was ok to walk onto or past.

I would also like to see zones that don't allow skyboxes or buildings over some realistic residential height such as 20m. Only in some places, just so we can choose the type of place we want to live in with some confidence it will still be like it in a week's time.

You may want to , since Pan Am is no more, it probably is a terrorist..... .

But I agree with the sentiment. In a lot of discusiionsn here, we want to interject RL rules to help support our arguments at times, myself included. But thsi isn't RL, as many have pointed out. There are many things possible here that aren't possible in RL. So we have to come up with rules and polocies that work in SL, that acommodate the population in general. Sometimes compromise is the best way.

You can fly along pretty safely without any banlines at 1000 Meters, right?

Yes, but sightseeing flying is a little boring at 1000 meters. You can't see ANYTHING.

usually tp out of no fly land immidiatly, if they are that desperate to get ppl to stay for traffic, i won`t give them the pleasure unless i need to stay(shop)

own land i allways built abouve the normal flyzone area (250m) and put an orb in the skyhouse (+350m up)

Actually, yes, a land owner DOES own the airspace over their land. If that was not true, then LL would not charge land owners for prim resources above a certain altitude, and you could build in the sky over anyone's land, free of charge. As long as LL says I have to pay for a prim that is placed in the sky over my land, then I DO own that area of the sky, thank you.

IRL, aircraft are not permitted to fly over populated areas below a certain altitude (1000 feet, or roughly 300 Meters, in the USA). Even the approach path for an airport has restrictions on it, and the planes are expected to gain altitude quite rapidly after takeoff. Exceptions are allowed for helicopters such as those used for police, traffic control, and medical evacuation helicopters.

Personally, I am usually happy to allow people to cross my land, as long as they stay away from my house and my skybox. For the most part, I don't build anything between 200M and 600M, to allow an open space where casual flyers can pass through. But if I start getting harassed by unwelcome visitors, I may well lock down access as well as I can near my home or my skybox.

But who wants to see a bunch of Banlines?

No. No, it's not. It's not greifing. It's his property, to do with as he sees fit. As has been said, over and over, no-one has any right (as defined by the agreement with LL) to be there EXCEPT the land owner.Then why ask? Why bring it up? This isn't about that. It's about protecting what we pay for.
This bit kills me. "This is not RL, it's SL...", then "IRL if you live under the flightpath..."
It makes no sense at all.
Then "live with it or buy and island..." Um. You do realize that we have the same rules as island owners, right? You seem to think that island owners can build as high as they want and mainland owners can't. That's incorrect.
Then another. "do whatever it is you do in your skybox..." I thought you weren't interested in what he does in his skybox. Why obsess over it? What he does is none of your business. Why keep bringing it up?

What I can't wait for is all the threads about "Adult Flags are killing all our fun."

I don't use banlines or security, as I've said many times before. I just think it's wrong for people who don't pay for my land to demand that I lose some of the rights (as defined by the agreement with LL) and abilities that I pay quite a bit of money for.
THIS is the sense of entitlement, or should I say OVERBLOWN sense of entitlement, that I speak of, this incorrect assumptions that others have rights to access areas that don't belong to them. And then this bullshit about restricting WHERE we can build on this land? No. That is just wrong.

After reading these posts, I guess I should remove my ban lines. My partner (RL husband) has a store. He just recently removed it because in his old location, we logged in one day to find that there was a bunch of crap rezzed in his store. One of the things was a very large, very ugly aircraft that was partially inside and partially outside. He could return all of the objects except the ugly, ugly aircraft, because it was partially on his land with the "nose" of the aircraft outside of his store and hover over someone else's land. We both tried IMing the owner several times, who never responded. The aircraft was blocking the vendors in the store, so no one could shop...and he COULD NOT remove the plane. Since the area was becoming a big sandbox anyway, he decided to sell the land and bought new land for the store. His land sold within 2 days, and all of his store items were returned to his inventory as they should have been. But the ugly, ugly aircraft was still there. The new owner had to deal with it. I bought land recently and put a house on it, and restricted access to group. But I have had a neighbor who likes to fly complain about the ban lines. I really don't want to interfere with anyone else's enjoyment of SL. That was never my point....but I bought the land, I pay the tier, and if I want to limit access I should be able to do that. I have no objection to someone flying over my land, though. Is there a way I can allow that to happen without removing my restrictions which would then allow people into my house, my pool, etc?
From this thread, I guess there's not way to do that. So, I'll remove the ban lines and take my chances...but the first, and I mean the very first time, someone abuses that privilege, they will go up again and will NOT come down unless I choose to allow individual access. Just like Banking said, and i'm certainly no elitest, however......it's my RL money paying for me to play in SL, therefore I did buy certain "abilities" and the choice to ban is one of them.

You could just add him to the allowed avatars list which would still block everyone else but let him fly in peace.

*puts the AA gun on his store's roof*


No Fly there either.

AR all you want, it'll be perfectly legal and I do own above 90m. I own to 768m in fact. Thats what I pay for. Whoever told you over 90m was airspace should be slapped for feeding you such a ridiculous lie.

What I'm suggesting is controlling access to the land I pay for. What YOURE suggesting is greifing by restricting the abilities I pay for the land for. I don't think I'll leave any flightpath now - turning off object entry completely.

I'll make sure anyone who complains gets your name and this thread.