Hello all,
I sincerely believe that everyone has the right to block off and restrict access to their own land. I am not complaining about that.
In Euttum where I bought land, I used to be able to fly around the entire island and it was tons of fun. Now, it's so bad that I have to literally teleport small jumps around the island just to explore or find people.
I really hope Linden can come up with a better solution.
Thanks.
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Robert Widget
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12-17-2006 22:50
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Jon Spicoli
This time, It's personal
Join date: 13 Feb 2006
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12-18-2006 00:30
er... you do know that you can still fly in no-flies, just so long as you don't land, right? Or just buy a small vehicle, and fly in class.
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Checho Masukami
UnRez it or use a hammer
Join date: 6 Oct 2006
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12-18-2006 01:31
If you are flying in a land and you teleport to a no-fly land, you will be able to fly there. Looks like in no-fly lands you can't take off but if you are already flying, you can continue flying.
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LeVey Palou
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12-18-2006 01:58
Vehicles arent really an option these days due to copy bot paranoia everyone has scripts turned off over their land. Also if not then you hit full parcels where the owner has used every available prim.....really people its called oze auto rezzer balls.......and you get knocked out of vehicle and hafta relog. if nothing else people set up very rude security orbs with no warning and again you are knocked out of sky.
Vehicular flying and just regular flying used to be a pleasure. But these above mentioned obsticales make it pointless. I agree I hope linden addresses this issue. btw its the same with boating these days.... |
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Stefanos Ascot
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Join date: 28 Nov 2006
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12-18-2006 02:30
Vehicular flying and just regular flying used to be a pleasure. But these above mentioned obsticales make it pointless. I agree I hope linden addresses this issue. btw its the same with boating these days.... I can only agree to the above - especially the last sentence. I am helping and instructing people in sailing in SL. Part of that was a project to provide people with a map and descriptions of where the best sailing areas are etc - this has become totally useless since you cant rely anymore on anything that is just water. People block the land far into the water - the build a fence dammit so one can map that! A map is not only showing the geography of a landscape - especially in naval purposes it shows you boys and obstacles - please change this somehow for the future or sailing will simply die! |
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Robert Widget
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12-18-2006 04:20
re: you can still fly in a no-fly zone, just don't land
That has not been my experience. When I fly, I run into these giant transparent walls with tiled phrases on them like "buy pass", "no access", and others. I bump off of them and I get a system message telling me why I can't fly through the space. Note, I am in mid-air when this happens. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-18-2006 06:23
Also if not then you hit full parcels where the owner has used every available prim.....really people its called oze auto rezzer balls.......and you get knocked out of vehicle and hafta relog. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-18-2006 06:24
That has not been my experience. When I fly, I run into these giant transparent walls with tiled phrases on them like "buy pass", "no access", and others. I bump off of them and I get a system message telling me why I can't fly through the space. Note, I am in mid-air when this happens. |
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Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
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12-18-2006 08:08
Vehicles arent really an option these days due to copy bot paranoia everyone has scripts turned off over their land. I hope that isn't really true - CopyBot is not a script. Turning off scripts will do nothing against it. |
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Foo Spark
alias Bathsheba Dorn
Join date: 8 Nov 2006
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12-18-2006 11:40
re: you can still fly in a no-fly zone, just don't land That has not been my experience. When I fly, I run into these giant transparent walls with tiled phrases on them like "buy pass", "no access", and others. I bump off of them and I get a system message telling me why I can't fly through the space. Note, I am in mid-air when this happens. Those are banned parcels. No-fly is, as Argent said, different. The big problem with banned parcels is that they don't show up on the mini-map. The problem isn't so much that huge numbers of people ban -- IMO too many do, but I guess they can if they want to -- as that every single time it's a rude surprise, because LL doesn't give you any way to see them.  |
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Ylikone Obscure
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Join date: 24 Jan 2007
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02-02-2007 14:01
LL should code it so that the banned land parcels automatically ONLY go as high as the highest object on the parcel. But then annoying people would put up one object high in the sky just to piss flyers off.
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talia Stanwell
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02-02-2007 14:22
ctrl alt and v will allow you to fly in no fly zone.. shh don't tell anyone
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Don Magojiro
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02-02-2007 14:59
SL should treat it like real life. You don't own the air above your house, so everybody can fly there. Now, since everybody in SL can fly, you'd have to allow for that. Maybe say that you can't control anything 200 meters above your parcel. If you want to fly unrestricted then you fly above 200 meters. If you build above 200 meters, you may have some unexpected visitors.
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Tholan Nohkan
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02-02-2007 21:27
I've been thinking instead of baning and restricting settings keeping people out, parcel cloaking might be better. A land owner with parcel cloaking turned on would have all objects on his land not visible to passer by's. People could fly and walk through the apparently empty parcel but see nor touch nothing. And the exploring avatars could be cloaked to the land owner and his party. Only I can't imagine any male land owners would ever turn parcel cloaking on. It's counter to the instinct of showing power and commanding respect.
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Jeff Kelley
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02-03-2007 20:10
I sincerely believe that everyone has the right to block off and restrict access to their own land. I sincerely beleive the contrary. Objects cannot be damaged nor stolen. The owner of a parcel have all rights to disable rezzing, disable objects entry, disable scripts, return objects, eject avatars, ban avatars. NO ENTRY is, in my sense, a failure to understand both the technical and the social aspects of Second Life. Just my opinion. |
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Paulo Dielli
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02-03-2007 21:58
I truly agree. It makes no sense to block people from your land if they can do no harm. I also haven't blocked my land therefore. All these red ribbons are put up by residents who haven't thought into the matter enough. Or they are totally sex addicts who don't want peeping toms.
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-04-2007 12:25
I've been thinking instead of baning and restricting settings keeping people out, parcel cloaking might be better. A land owner with parcel cloaking turned on would have all objects on his land not visible to passer by's. People could fly and walk through the apparently empty parcel but see nor touch nothing. |
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Draco18s Majestic
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02-04-2007 13:13
For example, they could be replaced by a swirly particle system that just lets you know someone is there but nothing more than that. HAUNTED HOUSES! |
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-04-2007 13:42
How about a Pac Man Ghost game sprite?
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Daisy Rimbaud
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02-07-2007 03:07
I truly agree. It makes no sense to block people from your land if they can do no harm. Well, they can. They can be thoroughly obnoxious in all sorts of ways. And setting no-fly is very useful in order to play some types of games on your land. |
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Grafikimon Oh
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Join date: 1 Feb 2007
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02-07-2007 18:09
I have two banned areas around one corner of my property. It is so bad that I finally built a platform at 150m that I TP to since just below the cloud layer you can fly over all property. In some cases I've come down on the wrong side of these barriers and had to tp back home or flight straight back up
generally you can get around it by flying above 100-120 meters. I've evenbounced on top of the barrier. |
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Chav Paderborn
in ur sl
Join date: 25 Nov 2006
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02-07-2007 19:03
Well, they can. They can be thoroughly obnoxious in all sorts of ways. One can be fairly obnoxious from outside a parcel boundary. Not that I count the ways every time an unoccupied, banlined parcel steals my vehicle out from under me. |
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Banking Laws
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Join date: 14 Jun 2006
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02-07-2007 20:59
Some of us just don't want visitors we don't let in on our land. There is no misunderstanding here on anything social except on the part of those trying to get rid of the ban lines. We want a haven away from the general public, and we own/rent the land.
You have no say on who gets to cross my land, your problem, not mine. I've been through all of this before and its not sex, nor me not thinking it all through. I just don't want unexpected visitors on my land. Clear cut. _____________________
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Chav Paderborn
in ur sl
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02-07-2007 23:04
Some of us just don't want visitors we don't let in on our land. There is no misunderstanding here on anything social except on the part of those trying to get rid of the ban lines. We want a haven away from the general public, and we own/rent the land. You have no say on who gets to cross my land, your problem, not mine. I've been through all of this before and its not sex, nor me not thinking it all through. I just don't want unexpected visitors on my land. Clear cut. A compromise would be zoning. Residential sims would leave previously-unwary travellers aware that the sim they're crossing would be best crossed above 100m to avoid banlines* and we could even have sims where every single parcel was banlined and everyone in the sim knew that this was the norm for the area. After all, the flying problem at least tends to be worst when you fly across half a sim of free-passage only to get downed by the 512 in the middle that won't let anyone in. Ideally, banlines wouldn't cause problems for other people. Alas, they do. Pretty often. Often enough that I admit to a) assuming it's about sex and b) wishing everyone with the things would just move to an island. *Clearing up everything except running into a skybox that allows you a generous 0.000000001 seconds to clear out before it ejects you across a sim border and autoreturns the vehicle you were sitting on. Seriously, folks, can we at least leave enough time so that people can get out the way first? |
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Banking Laws
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Join date: 14 Jun 2006
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02-08-2007 02:14
A compromise would be zoning. Residential sims would leave previously-unwary travellers aware that the sim they're crossing would be best crossed above 100m to avoid banlines* and we could even have sims where every single parcel was banlined and everyone in the sim knew that this was the norm for the area. After all, the flying problem at least tends to be worst when you fly across half a sim of free-passage only to get downed by the 512 in the middle that won't let anyone in. Ideally, banlines wouldn't cause problems for other people. Alas, they do. Pretty often. Often enough that I admit to a) assuming it's about sex and b) wishing everyone with the things would just move to an island. *Clearing up everything except running into a skybox that allows you a generous 0.000000001 seconds to clear out before it ejects you across a sim border and autoreturns the vehicle you were sitting on. Seriously, folks, can we at least leave enough time so that people can get out the way first? If they give no warning time report it. LL has asked them to give warning time- even just 6 seconds (the fastest noncrashing scan pulse) - and if they use push rather than eject or tp home- report. Anshe doesn't allow banlines unless someone is home I don't believe. Fortunately my home sim is allowed ban lines (and I'm at a corner). 90% of the troubles coming into my land weren't even banlines because I have the same problems. And in my opion, those 10% of problems caused by the banlines - I pay the teir. _____________________
"I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid in posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
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