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Wrestling Hulka
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09-03-2006 14:17
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Shall we just move on to the personal abuse, since you've not the moral courage to admit to what you do?


I'm not sure what you mean by this, please elaborate. Anyways, it's been fun debating the issue... I must move on to other things for the day!
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 14:19
From: Wrestling Hulka
I'm not sure what you mean by this, please ellaborate.

By which bit - that you refuse to admit that you take land for L$1 when nobody means to sell to the general public at that price despite the fact that you do and refuse to go back when informed that that was the case, or that you're confused about the nature of personal abuse?
Wrestling Hulka
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09-03-2006 14:20
From: Ordinal Malaprop
By which bit - that you refuse to admit that you take land for L$1 when nobody means to sell to the general public at that price despite the fact that you do and refuse to go back when informed that that was the case, or that you're confused about the nature of personal abuse?


Of course I buy land at 1L when it's publically listed. I've never denied that. I've also said I cannot be the judge of mistakes.
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 14:24
From: Wrestling Hulka
Of course I buy land at 1L when it's publically listed. I've never denied that. I've also said I cannot be the judge of mistakes.

What you meant to say there was "I, Wrestling Hulka, am an inexcusable exploitative parasite, with a side order of unconvincing disingenuous bullshit. But I don't care. I like it, actually, because it makes me a few dollars."
Acacia LaFontaine
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09-03-2006 14:24
From: Wrestling Hulka
Of course I buy land at 1L when it's publically listed. I've never denied that. I've also said I cannot be the judge of mistakes.


So what are your actions when the ex-landowner contacts you and tells you that s/he was not meaning to sell the land to you?
mcgeeb Gupte
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09-03-2006 14:25
From: Wrestling Hulka
You've failed to convince me I'm doing anything wrong. Has buying publically listed land suddenly become a crime? Please point me to the policy change and I'll change my ways.

You need not worry yourself about my own personal feelings on the issue. I'm in tip top condition and stand by every purchase I've made.


I remember someone that lost their car due to a late payment on a title loan. They sent the payment in a day or two late. A few days later, some guys come up and take her car. She even calls the cops, because the two guys just took it. She eventually found out it was the title company and they told her that her payment was late so they get the car now. She then asked to cancel her payment she sent, they kept it. This is all within the law too. Yet every person that heard this story said it was just plain wrong.
These type of people remind me of Land Swoopers. That may me sick. Willing to take advantage of people that make mistakes and barely following the rules or law. Name one person that has sold land for 1L that really wanted to. I bet every time this occurance happened, someone was standing their on the land and not one time you bothered to ask if they were sure they wanted to sell it for that much.
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 14:28
From: Acacia LaFontaine
So what are your actions when the ex-landowner contacts you and tells you that s/he was not meaning to sell the land to you?

Wait! I know the answer! Is it "laugh and say that they should have paid more attention, then maybe laugh again, and refuse to sell it back to the previous owner for the price bought at"? Because that really backs up claims that the purchaser believed it was an honest sale!
Kamilah Hauptmann
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09-03-2006 14:37
From: Ordinal Malaprop
What you meant to say there was "I, Wrestling Hulka, am an inexcusable exploitative parasite, with a side order of unconvincing disingenuous bullshit. But I don't care. I like it, actually, because it makes me a few dollars."


*claps*

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Weedy Herbst
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09-03-2006 15:22
From: Ordinal Malaprop
What you meant to say there was "I, Wrestling Hulka, am an inexcusable exploitative parasite, with a side order of unconvincing disingenuous bullshit. But I don't care. I like it, actually, because it makes me a few dollars."


There is more. You neglected they buy the land for $1 dollar, while the victim is pleading for the land to be returned, they reset the price of land to 5/sq meter, drop a listening device, teleport out and abuse report the victim for cussing them out.
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Xplorer Cannoli
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09-03-2006 15:23
From: Weedy Herbst
There is more. You neglected they buy the land for $1 dollar, while the victim is pleading for the land to be returned, they reset the price of land to 5/sq meter, drop a listening device, teleport out and abuse report the victim for cussing them out.


Dont forget, return all previous owners prims.

...or so I heard it has happened.
Phoenix Psaltery
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09-03-2006 15:40
As far as I am concerned, land swooping should be a bannable offense. Those who practice this are taking advantage of the ignorance of others. If they genuinely don't intend to do harm, then why do they refuse to give the land back when they are informed that the sale was unintended?

Bilker, cheater, con man, crook, deceiver, fleecer, flimflammer, fraud, hustler, mountebank, scam artist, shark, swindler... these are all words to describe those who practice this.

:mad:

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Snowflake Fairymeadow
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09-03-2006 21:53
From: mcgeeb Gupte
Name one person that has sold land for 1L that really wanted to.


I keep my customer's personal business private, but I have been intentionally sold land for $1L before. I have also been thanked for taking it and IM'd to see if I would like to purchase even more land for $1L. People do it for various reasons, such as the breaking up of a group, closing of a business and not wanting to pay tier (Tier is often far more in cost than SL Land) and then there are the people who decide to leave SL for whatever reason. Also we are not allowed to name names on the forum but it's no real secret that the Lindens also put land on the public market for $1L/sqM. Not to mention all the new estate sales that are now in the sales list. It does happen.
CJ Carnot
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09-04-2006 03:16
From: Wrestling Hulka
Of course I buy land at 1L when it's publically listed. I've never denied that. I've also said I cannot be the judge of mistakes.


More misleading & disingenuous bullshit. The seller tells you it's a mistake, you're not expected to be the judge of anything. What you're expected to do is act honouroubly, but you don't.
CJ Carnot
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09-04-2006 03:19
From: Ordinal Malaprop
What you meant to say there was "I, Wrestling Hulka, am an inexcusable exploitative parasite, with a side order of unconvincing disingenuous bullshit. But I don't care. I like it, actually, because it makes me a few dollars."


Sorry, but it bore repeating.
Siobhan OFlynn
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09-04-2006 06:44
From: Wrestling Hulka
I've been listed on secuirty ban list on a well known security orb just for buying land that was publically listed.


OMG, what a tragedy. Poor Wrestling Hulka, the victim of unfair secuirty (sic) ban just for doing what he does best. :rolleyes:

Really man, my heart goes out to you. Not.



As far as I'm concerned, you and others like you are a blemish on the face of Second LIfe. :mad:
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Kyrah Abattoir
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09-04-2006 07:49
From: Wrestling Hulka
I've been listed on secuirty ban list on a well known security orb just for buying land that was publically listed.


I guess i should take the "well known" for a compliment, however trust me you will spend a long time there
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Coyote Momiji
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09-04-2006 11:33
I do hope that when Wrestling Hulka runs to the resmods saying "THEY'RE SAYING MEAN THINGS TO ME ON THE FORUMS", the resmod laughs, says "you shouldn't have posted self-aggrandizing, despicable bullshit on the forums," and teleports off.

That'd just make my year, y'know?
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Wrestling Hulka
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09-04-2006 12:20
From: Coyote Momiji
I do hope that when Wrestling Hulka runs to the resmods saying "THEY'RE SAYING MEAN THINGS TO ME ON THE FORUMS", the resmod laughs, says "you shouldn't have posted self-aggrandizing, despicable bullshit on the forums," and teleports off.

That'd just make my year, y'know?


Actually if you've read my posts to Torley I actually enjoy these kind of posts because they give me publicity in SL ;)
Jora Welesa
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09-04-2006 14:10
From: Wrestling Hulka
I've been listed on secuirty ban list on a well known security orb just for buying land that was publically listed.


What a wonderful idea, I'll be sure to do that to my own security orb.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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09-04-2006 14:14
From: Wrestling Hulka
Actually if you've read my posts to Torley I actually enjoy these kind of posts because they give me publicity in SL ;)

That thing about "there's no such thing as bad publicity"? It's not true.
Jora Welesa
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09-04-2006 14:20
From: Ordinal Malaprop
That thing about "there's no such thing as bad publicity"? It's not true.


This is very true. When someone pulls an underhanded tactic, such as land swooping, and the names become known, a lot of residence toss that name onto ban lists for everything from social gatherings to shops and malls. The land swooper in question would begin to find it very difficult to shop for much at all, or even access land that they intend to swoop on if they're stuck to that land's ban list.

And be particularly careful in combat sims where you could be KoS.
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09-04-2006 14:38
From: Wrestling Hulka
Actually if you've read my posts to Torley I actually enjoy these kind of posts because they give me publicity in SL ;)


Yes. These idiotic and self-serving posts are ultimately self-defeating, and are why you're on banlists that I've inherited as Phee, not to mention the banlist networks you're complaining about.

You aren't a victim. You aren't a martyr. You're suffering the consequences of having no qualms about fucking over your fellowman.

And isn't that just a fucking shame?
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Jack Harker
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09-04-2006 15:18
From: Wrestling Hulka
I've been listed on secuirty ban list on a well known security orb just for buying land that was publically listed.


No, you're actually being banned for being a complete and total scumbag, as well as a number of your land swooping breathern.

It's amazing how after I tell people about the land swooping thing and mention that I have a list of land swoopers, so many of them ask for a copy of the list and add the names to their own ban lists. It's really heartwarming.
Jack Harker
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09-04-2006 15:23
From: Phoenix Psaltery
As far as I am concerned, land swooping should be a bannable offense. Those who practice this are taking advantage of the ignorance of others. If they genuinely don't intend to do harm, then why do they refuse to give the land back when they are informed that the sale was unintended?

Bilker, cheater, con man, crook, deceiver, fleecer, flimflammer, fraud, hustler, mountebank, scam artist, shark, swindler... these are all words to describe those who practice this.

:mad:

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LL should add a feature that asks the sell if they want to list the land publicly on the sale lists, before listing it. The main reason that people get ripped off by swoopers is because they aren't aware that when they set the land for sale that it comes up on a public list *instantly*.

Until then, LL should dedicate one of their log on messages to warning people about this.

But, until that happens, people should continue to add land swoopers to their personal ban lists, on both their land and their orbs. :)
mcgeeb Gupte
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09-04-2006 16:06
From: Jack Harker
LL should add a feature that asks the sell if they want to list the land publicly on the sale lists, before listing it. The main reason that people get ripped off by swoopers is because they aren't aware that when they set the land for sale that it comes up on a public list *instantly*.

Until then, LL should dedicate one of their log on messages to warning people about this.

But, until that happens, people should continue to add land swoopers to their personal ban lists, on both their land and their orbs. :)


He's on my list along with another landswooper. Anyone who rips people off doesn't deserve any respect.
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