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mcgeeb Gupte
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09-02-2006 10:36
From: Solivar Scarborough
The unethical by neccessity are adept at using the law to their advantage

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So True
Xplorer Cannoli
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09-03-2006 10:36
I cant believe we are posting on this subject again... *sigh*

I think the real question we should be asking SL is:

How many residual income customers has LL lost due to the land being purchased in a blink of an eye, and the unsuspecting customer is told they have no recourse. I use the word unsuspecting because those who make the mistake dont realize how fast lands list. If LL does not realize this, there isn't anything law abiding citizens (using TOS) can do. Obviously the more customers they lose, the more creative content that is not being invested into SL...which indirectly hurts us all.

We all have to agree that LL did good by fixing the "join land" problem. I tend to think that the delay is something LL should look into. No offense to the realtors of SL but I see them not wanting this, which makes it even more interesting to see implemented. I dont see a negative to it, unless a person needs to sell to reduce tier in less than 5 minutes, then that is just poor planning on their part anyways.

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Wrestling Hulka
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09-03-2006 10:50
Solution: If you don't want to sell your don't click the for sale button ;x

Maybe they should take the button away altogether... the only way you can sell land is if you send a request to Gov Linden. She'll come buy and set the land for you.
Xplorer Cannoli
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09-03-2006 10:58
From: Wrestling Hulka
Solution: If you don't want to sell your don't click the for sale button ;x

Maybe they should take the button away altogether... the only way you can sell land is if you send a request to Gov Linden. She'll come buy and set the land for you.


You did not read my post. Your response does not follow up with what I said, it is only reiterating your point. However that is not the issue. The issue is not even those that WANT to sell their land for $1L. The issue is the people ARE reading it but dont realize how fast the sale can occur. We should all be in agreement here. This is not a post accusing or calling anyone names, just simply stating what is fact.

The people are not stupid. They are reading the rules and the warnings. They just dont realize how fast the realtors can be.

Can I get an Amen!!??!!

lol. Xplorer
Wrestling Hulka
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09-03-2006 11:11
From: Xplorer Cannoli
You did not read my post. Your response does not follow up with what I said, it is only reiterating your point. However that is not the issue. The issue is not even those that WANT to sell their land for $1L. The issue is the people ARE reading it but dont realize how fast the sale can occur. We should all be in agreement here. This is not a post accusing or calling anyone names, just simply stating what is fact.

The people are not stupid. They are reading the rules and the warnings. They just dont realize how fast the realtors can be.

Can I get an Amen!!??!!

lol. Xplorer


I don't get it. If they know the rules and see the warnings then why would they even risk it? Linden has introduced safe measures that allows land owners to sell the land to whoever they want. If they set the land to sale to anyone then they need to be aware that anyone can buy it. If they skip setting the land to their certain buyer.. then that's just lazy.
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 11:41
Oh come off it. You know that people don't mean to sell to just anyone for L$1. Yet you continue to swoop them when they do. You are aware that you are profiting from other people's unfamiliarity with the system but you continue to do it. It doesn't matter if there are a million different boxes to check before something comes up for sale and Philip came round to their house to argue with them first, you'd still be exploiting them.

An honest person would just say "yes, I know I'm exploiting mistakes, I just don't care" instead of coming out with this nonsense.
Wrestling Hulka
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09-03-2006 11:50
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Oh come off it. You know that people don't mean to sell to just anyone for L$1. Yet you continue to swoop them when they do. You are aware that you are profiting from other people's unfamiliarity with the system but you continue to do it. It doesn't matter if there are a million different boxes to check before something comes up for sale and Philip came round to their house to argue with them first, you'd still be exploiting them.

An honest person would just say "yes, I know I'm exploiting mistakes, I just don't care" instead of coming out with this nonsense.


I'm not exploiting anyone. I'm just buying land that's up for public sale. I cannot and will never be the judge of what land is a "mistake" and what land is real. The moment I second guess myself the moment another land buyer comes in and buys the property. I want to highlight your point that is the owner's mistake for setting the land at 1L and getting acquainted with the system prior to using it. Linden has countless materials that can be used if people seek out information. I cannot be held responsible for other's actions.

As I said before... I have an email address setup if you are wanting to discuss personal transactions with me. I take all mail, hate, love, and hate.

[email]WrestlingHulka@gmail.com[/email]


Also, for those who are interseted: Land Selling 101 and "Land Swooping"

/130/b7/106439/1.html
mcgeeb Gupte
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09-03-2006 13:06
From: Wrestling Hulka
I'm not exploiting anyone. I'm just buying land that's up for public sale. I cannot and will never be the judge of what land is a "mistake" and what land is real.



Give me a break. If its 1L, its a mistake.
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 13:10
From: Wrestling Hulka
I'm not exploiting anyone. I'm just buying land that's up for public sale. I cannot and will never be the judge of what land is a "mistake" and what land is real. The moment I second guess myself the moment another land buyer comes in and buys the property. I want to highlight your point that is the owner's mistake for setting the land at 1L and getting acquainted with the system prior to using it. Linden has countless materials that can be used if people seek out information. I cannot be held responsible for other's actions.

As I said before... I have an email address setup if you are wanting to discuss personal transactions with me. I take all mail, hate, love, and hate.

[email]WrestlingHulka@gmail.com[/email]


Also, for those who are interseted: Land Selling 101 and "Land Swooping"

/130/b7/106439/1.html

So, basically, you don't have the moral courage to say "I am buying land at a price that I know the people concerned didn't want to sell to random people at, and I don't care"? This bollocks about not judging doesn't fool anyone. You are perfectly aware of why people sell for L$1, and that it's a UI issue rather than by design.
Wrestling Hulka
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09-03-2006 13:19
From: Ordinal Malaprop
So, basically, you don't have the moral courage to say "I am buying land at a price that I know the people concerned didn't want to sell to random people at, and I don't care"? This bollocks about not judging doesn't fool anyone. You are perfectly aware of why people sell for L$1, and that it's a UI issue rather than by design.


You are welcome to have your own opinion, but your reasoning is very flawed. In order for someone like me to buy land it has to be listed publically. When someone lists publically they very well know that anyone can purchase the land, that's the whole point. Linden gives us the ability to sale land at whatever price that we want, whether it's 1L or 9999999L. I've seen people who wanted to dump land at 1L and I've seen people sell land publically when they meant to set the land to an individually for 1L. It's not a UI issue, but rather an issue of uninformed residents making decisions.

Even if I do come out and say what you want it won't change a thing, so please stop trying to convince me to take your oath or to live by your set of morals.
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 13:24
My reasoning is not flawed in the slightest.

You are aware that in the vast, vast majority of cases, when people list land for sale at L$1 they are trying to transfer it and do not know that someone can just swoop in and buy it. (Only an idiot would not be aware of this, and I know that you're not an idiot.)

You swoop in and buy it.

If you don't want to live by "my set of morals" (i.e. not exploiting people's failure with the existing UI) then stop pretending that you do by coming up with this nonsense that they really meant to offer it up for public sale at that price. You know that they didn't and you don't care. People have told you after the fact that they didn't mean to sell to anyone, and you pay no attention.

Seriously, stand up for yourself, say "I'm a land swooper and proud!"
Wrestling Hulka
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09-03-2006 13:29
From: Ordinal Malaprop
My reasoning is not flawed in the slightest.

You are aware that in the vast, vast majority of cases, when people list land for sale at L$1 they are trying to transfer it and do not know that someone can just swoop in and buy it. (Only an idiot would not be aware of this, and I know that you're not an idiot.)

You swoop in and buy it.

If you don't want to live by "my set of morals" (i.e. not exploiting people's failure with the existing UI) then stop pretending that you do by coming up with this nonsense that they really meant to offer it up for public sale at that price. You know that they didn't and you don't care. People have told you after the fact that they didn't mean to sell to anyone, and you pay no attention.

Seriously, stand up for yourself, say "I'm a land swooper and proud!"


If they are transferring the land then they should set the land to sell to the specific person and put the price to 0L (Zero L$). That way only the land owner and the specific person can buy the land and they save 1L in the process. There is no reason to sell this land publically. I don't understand how you can argue against this point.

"I buy publically listed land" - Wrestling Hulka, Today

Edit to Add: Can someone show me where the "swoop" function is located? I can't seem to find it.

Ordinal, if you find yourself so passionate about this topic I suggest for you to fly around SL informing the masses on how to sell land properly. If you would like I can supply you with tutorials.

Buying publically listed land is not an exploit, why do you continue with this false statement?
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09-03-2006 13:33
From: Wrestling Hulka

I've seen people who wanted to dump land at 1L and .


I see dead people
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 13:37
From: Wrestling Hulka
If they are transferring the land then they should set the land to sell to the specific person and put the price to 0L (Zero L$). That way only the land owner and the specific person can buy the land and they save 1L in the process. There is no reason to sell this land publically. I don't understand how you can argue against this point.

"I buy publically listed land" - Wrestling Hulka, Today

Edit to Add: Can someone show me where the "swoop" function is located? I can't seem to find it.

Ordinal, if you find yourself so passionate about this topic I suggest for you to fly around SL informing the masses on how to sell land properly. If you would like I can supply you with tutorials.

Buying publically listed land is not an exploit, why do you continue with this false statement?

That's close, but not quite close enough. What you really have to do is leave out all the shite about "well they should do X" and simply say "I know that these people are making a mistake, I'm profiting from it, and I don't care about that". Because you do, you are, and you don't.

It's easy, you know.
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09-03-2006 13:42
From: Ordinal Malaprop
That's close, but not quite close enough. What you really have to do is leave out all the shite about "well they should do X" and simply say "I know that these people are making a mistake, I'm profiting from it, and I don't care about that". Because you do, you are, and you don't.

It's easy, you know.


You do? I buy land that is publically listed. Nice to meet you. How are people making mistakes again? And why exactly should I be punished for other's mistakes? I'm confused. Help me out here.
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 13:45
Seriously, though - you know nobody reading this believes you, don't you?
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09-03-2006 13:51
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Seriously, though - you know nobody reading this believes you, don't you?


You are denying the fact that people have the tools to set land to individuals? You are denying the fact that people purposely set the land to sale to anyone because they are too lazy to set the land properly? You are denying the fact that publically listed land can be purchased by anyone?


amazing.
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 13:58
No, but you do know that, right?

You're not stupid, you *must* know that. I'm just puzzled as to why you're keeping this up. I mean, it's not as if the swooping thing depends on convincing people in the forums anyway - nobody who prices at L$1 reads the forums (obviously, they wouldn't otherwise).

So I'm assuming it's a personal thing, where you try to convince yourself you're not doing anything wrong so you can feel like you're not stealing from a bunch of newbies who don't know how the system works when you quite clearly are. A "sleep at night" issue. Does it work?
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09-03-2006 14:05
From: Ordinal Malaprop
So I'm assuming it's a personal thing, where you try to convince yourself you're not doing anything wrong so you can feel like you're not stealing from a bunch of newbies who don't know how the system works when you quite clearly are. A "sleep at night" issue. Does it work?


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Wrestling Hulka
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09-03-2006 14:06
From: Ordinal Malaprop
No, but you do know that, right?

You're not stupid, you *must* know that. I'm just puzzled as to why you're keeping this up. I mean, it's not as if the swooping thing depends on convincing people in the forums anyway - nobody who prices at L$1 reads the forums (obviously, they wouldn't otherwise).

So I'm assuming it's a personal thing, where you try to convince yourself you're not doing anything wrong so you can feel like you're not stealing from a bunch of newbies who don't know how the system works when you quite clearly are. A "sleep at night" issue. Does it work?


You've failed to convince me I'm doing anything wrong. Has buying publically listed land suddenly become a crime? Please point me to the policy change and I'll change my ways.

You need not worry yourself about my own personal feelings on the issue. I'm in tip top condition and stand by every purchase I've made.
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 14:10
From: Kamilah Hauptmann
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I wish I could make that work outside of SL - my main profession is taking bread from orphans.

But, you know, if they will hold their bread in public, they mean for anyone to take it, don't they? They could just hide it in their pockets, if they're not stupid. And I've seen lots of orphans who just hold out their bread because they want people to take it.

So basically if I take bread from orphans, it's because they were stupid, which means they deserved it, or they wanted me to take it. And if they tell me afterwards that they want their bread back because they didn't want to give it to me, I just laugh, because they don't even realise why they gave it to me! Like this! Ha! Ha!
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09-03-2006 14:13
From: Ordinal Malaprop
I wish I could make that work outside of SL - my main profession is taking bread from orphans.

But, you know, if they will hold their bread in public, they mean for anyone to take it, don't they? They could just hide it in their pockets, if they're not stupid. And I've seen lots of orphans who just hold out their bread because they want people to take it.

So basically if I take bread from orphans, it's because they were stupid, which means they deserved it, or they wanted me to take it. And if they tell me afterwards that they want their bread back because they didn't want to give it to me, I just laugh, because they don't even realise why they gave it to me! Like this! Ha! Ha!


Did they acknowledge the confirmation screen before they set the bread for sale? Do you at least give them 1 cent in exchange?
Ordinal Malaprop
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09-03-2006 14:15
From: Wrestling Hulka
Did they acknowledge the confirmation screen before they set the bread for sale?

Shall we just move on to the personal abuse, since you've not the moral courage to admit to what you do?
Acacia LaFontaine
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09-03-2006 14:15
From: Wrestling Hulka
And why exactly should I be punished for other's mistakes?


That's quite an interesting question. Please clarify your meaning of being punished for others' mistakes. How exactly would you be punished if the person didn't mean to list the land publicly?
By the way, I believe that could be considered an admission from you that you are taking advantage of an obvious mistake. Quite unscrupulous and shameful if you ask me.

However, I'd really like to know your meaning of being punished for someone else's mistake within this context.
Wrestling Hulka
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09-03-2006 14:16
From: Acacia LaFontaine
That's quite an interesting question. Please clarify your meaning of being punished for others' mistakes. How exactly would you be punished if the person didn't mean to list the land publicly?
By the way, I believe that could be considered an admission from you that you are taking advantage of an obvious mistake. Quite unscrupulous and shameful if you ask me.

However, I'd really like to know your meaning of being punished for someone else's mistake within this context.


I've been listed on secuirty ban list on a well known security orb just for buying land that was publically listed.
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