Anshe's land for sale

Tier costs resellers one-third of a L$ to one L$ per meter depending on their tier size.

Back when the average price of land was about L$ 10 per sq. meter, the maximum profitable auction sale price was about L$ 8 per sq. meter. One land baron I watched in the auctions would never pay over L$ 7.9 per meter.

Today's average land cost is $4.54 per meter. The margin is narrower now. Now only L$ sales or volume can keep a land sales biz alive.

Land sales might be a decent way to raise L$ for some project without using GOM. This was also an important revenue stream back when the real dollar price of L$ was rising. Now that there's a falling exchange rate, land sellers face another hurdle.

But why are L$ exchange rates falling? Land costs are still dropping. Land barons have been unable to keep land prices high. But why?

Some earlier players have left. Many more have tiered down. Many have decided they don't need or want large estates. Also, the Lindens add sims quite regularly. New land is always available.

More importantly, this decline in land prices is not a sign of ill-health for Second Life. It more a sign of a maturing player base.

Spot areas, like old, fully-terraformable land, and telehub land can still be priced higher. These might still be lucrative for resellers. Yet LL is not responsible for land barons' profitability, so I hope we'll get point-to-point teleportation. Ideally we'd also get new sims that are as terraformable as the old ones.

Finally, there is nothing wrong with profit. We have no right to demand that LL control resellers. But we can reasonably ask that the Lindens do nothing to ensure their profits. IMHO the Lindens have been even-handed.

Where?!

The second point is not true. It is very possible to speculate with as little as 4096. Not in the auctions, but in the aftermarket. I've seen it done.

You're right. That is incorrect as written.

I've been typing the same points over and over so much that I made a mistake. If you're interested, please read through the thread to pick up my main points and send me a private message if you have questions. I love to talk about this stuff.

~Ulrika~

Anyone ever looked at a thread up close, all the fibers twisting and turning, it's just like these forum threads....

- Sam

(Real reason for posting was to raise post count by one.)

At one time, there was reasonably priced land, at one time there was public land, I'm not specifically blaming Anshe for the loss of these, (I blame someone else who no longer has a chance at forgiveness after talking with him on the subject)
Land is not meant to be squatted on by a baron, it's meant to be used for constructive projects, I miss thse days, but since LL now is in virtual real estate, I shall never see the beuty of public land again.
As for the sea of for sale signs, no matter how beutiful, I think they're ugly in mass.

I miss public land, I miss seeing people happy when talking about land.
I see now... the same sign, it may look different, it may not say it, but it means one thing to me, "there is no more creative freedom"

I miss pre-1.2 land.. you could buy land anywhere, except Mature.. those sims were in scarce supply back then.

I was just going to post the same thing.... this smells like a thinly veiled product placement.

Not to mention the lopsided question... "Do you like me and my wonderful stuff? Or would you prefer average averages and their averaging averages?"

Coming soon: Quenching your forum flames with an ice cold glass of Coca-Cola! (tm)


LF

McDonalds is a nice corporation, just like Anshe. I mean. Great, cheap food. Burgers in under a minute.

The only problem is the seagulls that shit all over the place. You can never tell if you're approaching the coastline or if a McDonald's is nearby.

Signs are a lot like bird crap.

Im an just another Second Life workin joe, no one of importance, and personally Id rather see all those average folks, doing what they came in game to do..build , learn how to script, have fun. Some of those ugly average builds...are just folks learning how. These folks are just trying to figure out how they fit, and where, figure out what their skills are. So the builds arent drop dead sexy, its the people behind them that count. Behind every creation here..is a person. Thats my two cents worth....

PEACE and brownies

Jase

I miss the same things as Ice.

I didn't participate in this voting poll for the following reason:



Is a little harsh. Even though not everyone in the world is creative and always makes a beautifull build, at the same time not everything is your "average" crap (crap being my word, not yours). There are alot of identical builds or styles in SL, but to be honest (and not meaning this in any mean way even though it may sound like it) isn't a For Sale sign a little on the average and usual side nowdays?

A much less construed poll would be:

"Do you like <objectname> in your sim?"

- Yes
- No

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I honestly don't even get the point of this poll really. If enough people answered that they like Dullsville SL (as this poll has painted it), what would you do differently?

The question doesn't even really match the more underlying question. Say I (Oz Spade) have a cube, it doesn't lag, it doesn't hurt anyone, but its owned by me (Oz Spade), now lets say theres someone who doesn't agree with my stances on something or just doesn't like me at all for some reason, now lets say my cube is in their sim, and it reminds them of me and their dislike of me. They could say they hate my cube, but they really have nothing against the cube, it doesn't lag, it doesn't harm anyone, the thing they really don't like is that its owned by me. The cube becomes a representation of their dislike for me.

Honestly again, I have no issue with your signs if they are not ginormous or spread like dandilions over the landscape (both of which you have explained reasons for, and which I find perfectly plausable and reasonable, dispite my own disagreements with the practice), they are much better on the eyes than a radioactive spinning For Sale sign, however seeing diversity in the design would be pleasent as well.

And! You could reply with "The sign represents me, when someone sees the sign in that style they know that it is land being sold by me." which is true. You could alternatively though have your name, or picture, somewhere on the sign, but have different signs of different design with your picture/name on them. However! (I use that word alot) It could also be argued (and proven) that product design (i.e. your signs) are an intregal part of the business, for most people relate design to a specific brand name or product, such as we all recognise a Coca Cola can, or your favorite cereal has had the same color box for 10 years, or your favorite shampoo you recognise by bottle shape and color, etc.

So I really don't know, and all my rambling is quite pointless, so I'll be off now, good day.

None, Is your answer. I use a small scripted forsale signs less that 4 meters high. Never once used a "ugly spinning yellow boxes " Get your facts straight is you plan on Flaming my name.

Because Prokofy wants to be cosseted.

I agree with Ulrika and others; how do the signs help you to determine local performance? Regardless of the methods or tools employed to get to get to a parcel that's for sale, one must fly and/or teleport there. Also, one cannot purchase non-auction land unless you are physically there. Or am I missing something? Once again, I don't understand Prokofy's logic/motivation in this argument, other than a disdain for certain individuals. It certainly doesn't seem to support reasoning for the existence of the signs, they are not an integral component of the land sale/purchase mechanism, other than line of sight indicator. Hell, with "Land Owners" toggled on, it's freaking huge blaze orange sign! That means a 1024m2 parcel for sale already has a 1024m2 line of sight sign on it! Not to mention, if people don't want to see the signs, they can toggle them off. We don't have that liberty with prim signs.

Wow, biased options and you are still loosing. THE SYSTEM WORKS!

Anshe, I would freaking pay you to keep more land empty on my sim
These days, I don't spend much time there since I'm busy with two major projects.
But yeah, I hate how densely packed and full of crappy builds the average SL sim eventually gets...
It used to be that I was completely surrounded by Anshe land, and I never had a problem with it. Heck, I LIKED it!

Moved to Land/Economy forum for further discussion.

Wow I had forgotten all about this thread, and here I thought Jeska was CLOSING it due to her backlog on bannings lol.

It was one of my early ventures into the flame-swept forums and I'm proud of it.

Let me take this opportunity to say I don't withdraw any of it LOL. EXCEPT I was wrong about the yellow spinning boxes. Those are Bob Bravo's boxes. SO SORRY Blue! I used to mix you up when I was newer -- I don't make THAT mistake any more! I've personally bought Bob's land just to have the pleasure of shooting the blasted thangs out of the sky -- it's fun. I found that shooting at them when I *don't* buy his land, I miss har har.

But I remember Bob's signs, his choice of land, his prices, and now I actually find myself looking for Bob's yellow signs in a sea of signs to see if there isn't a better deal or parceling done -- you see how it works?

And I'm trying to remember what Blue Burke's signs look like. But then, I've bought loads of Blue's property without a single sign on them. Lisse may be right, that more property sells without a sign than with. I have experimented with this myself and I just don't have enough experience to know.

One thing is certain, Anshe's signs made by Mae Best are the best in the business.

But people do complain when they see 100 of them fill up a sim. How about just one larger billboard to advertise the whole lot?

OK, so this message has remained in this forum for this long, why? Can any schmuck who has a lot for sale post a similar poll and not have it moved for being off-topic? Are we stretching what "Land and the Economy" means and the intent of the messages here?

Methinks that once again, Anshe gets a pass because she is the richest person on the planet. And this is coming from someone who normally supports what she does. This so-called poll is nothing more than a subtle infomercial designed to market her services. I give her credit for doing it since she knows the Lindens will let her get away with nearly anything.

Some may disagree but the original message and poll are off-topic. If they are really on-topic, I will apoligize and encourage anyone selling any amount of land to query the public on whether their lots and signs are beautiful. Let's really clutter up this forum that at one time, served a worthwhile purpose.

I'll start:

Q. Do you think my deck in Champlain is offensive?

1. No Bruno, you are the greatest deck builder of all time!

2. Yes, it is offensive but I have no sense of taste so it must be that you are the greatest deck builder of all time!

Anshe, How about taking all of the for sale signs down for 1 month, and see how it effects your business?

I took the time to look around the newer sims where the landscape is cluttered with the same signs day in and day out. Is it possible that prospective purchasers are put off by the mess, and fly right past, preferring to look at attractive land instead?

Top marks to Juauni Wu and anyone else who does not use signs.

Kurohyo Song and Cyberland get a nod for unobtrusive upright For Sale signs.
Blue Burke's upright signs are alright, as are Anshe's slab type signs in Oyster, simply because those are flat on the ground. I looked for Anshe's oriental signs, but saw none.

There are too many crap signs to list all the offenders here. If somebody uses a box in the air as a sign here is my recommendation: don't do business with that person.

Have you noticed that the Lindens do not use signs, and the newbies seem to buy it?

OMG!

It does sim that anshe has lowered on the for sale signs (I hope)
havent really noticed them now.

But really,
who needs a for sale sign?

You already get a listen in the for sale search list..
and even a yellow highlight on the ground
and even a white square on the map of SL (under land for sale)

But if you absolutly need a for sale sign
Please, put it in the land's snapshot box, (under about land)

Thanks.

I wish your land in my sim WAS for sale. I own over 3/4 of the sim and you wont sell the rest to me
Your land for sale in Athebasca would make me very happy.
You can even put 1000 for sale signs on it. lol

DNA