Anshe's land for sale

Prokofy,

Why do you always have to post with all the melodramatic hyperbole? I agree with Ulrika, there are fantastic tools for finding land for purchase in SL - the map shows you land for sale across every single sim. The Find tool helps you to find land that meets size/price criteria you are looking for - it could be improved with more options, but it is functional. Yes, ultimately going to look at the piece of land you are going to buy is the ultimate test. The issue is with the sea of for sale signs cluttering up a sim.

You can keep labelling Ulrika all you want to, but her point is valid. The for sale signs have always been extremely redundant when there are not 1, but 4 separate indicators of land for sale in SL (Find, the map, going into edit land mode - it shows as orange land, and finally moving over any piece of land will tell you if it is for sale, and for how much. So yeah, a sim filled with 50 for sale signs is annoying, as was this ridiculously skewed poll.

YAY Cris !! Finally the voice of reason from a true Oldbie I admire and respect ! Thank you!

Not gonna spend too much time on this one.

What is up with this sick fucking ethos that people like you attribute to a negative rate? Rating is a tool that is a part of the game. I didn't invent it. I used it. There was what I considered an obnoxious build, that I did not seek out, but was rather placed next to me. So i neg-rated the build.

If using a tool in the way that it was INTENDED is considered "treating someone so poorly", go ban some linden "ass" for creating it.

*joins Ulrika in the smackdown*

/raises hand

I use the land for sale finder to find things on a more granular level (size, cost, etc.) but white and purple boxes on the big map are my main tools. Next would be to fly over the area I am interested in really high with Show Owners turned on and look for some orange. I usually can't see the signs from 200m up.

The for sale sign is the last thing I am actually looking for.

Hiro, I would be interested in what you are proposing. Is it a public site that uses the output from "environmentally friendly" land scanners that we can all use for free?

Also, the land for sale finder is a great tool when you just have to buy some land. Using it to find a couple of properties under a few hundred lindens hits the spot sometimes.

And don't worry, nothing bad being done with the land, I practice catch and release!

There is some productive conversation in this thread, but I just wanted to remind everyone that the forums are not the proper place to air personal grievances against one another - please refrain from personally attacking someone you don't agree with in the forums. Thanks everyone.

It sounds like Anshe was using the game tool, as you were. Banning tools and ratings are, as you said, a part of the game.

I don't quite understand logic behind putting down Anshe's use of tools and calling her a griefer, while defending your use of the same tools.

I used the tool as INTENDED.

The land-ban tool was not created with the INTENTION of becoming the personal weapon for the largest land owner in SL to grief with.

Next question? (put your hand down Jeska! This is a non-linden seminar!)

When you are looking at a map and preparing to click and going through the act of teleporting in a black chute, that is one level. It's a level without detail -- without fine-grain as Alan said.

When you go and see it, that means AFTER you click and AFTER the teleportation process is completed, and AFTER you fight your way out of the annoying telehub, THEN you have the sensory experience.

Obviously these are different zoom-in clickable levels being discussed here, and it's not rational to pick on a choice of words to describe what we all get -- that looking at the big picture isn't the same as zooming on to the little fine-grained picture.



What Jeska says. It's not melodramatic hyperbole. It's pushing back against somebody's cynical condescending nastiness which is completely unnecessary in this discussion. Melodramatic hyperbole is a literary device to help highlight that practice, which I'd like to help stop or at least curb on the forums. All of us are unaware of the impact of our tone sometimes and it just pays to hold a mirror up to it. I don't mind having that mirror shown to me, and others could try it too.



So? That tells me land is for sale -- full stop. If I'm smart already, I know to look in the brand-new sims with high FPS that aren't crapped up yet, but on the other hand, if I'm even smarter, I might look at slightly less new sims with good FPS where I can at least understand what's happening with the neighbours' builds. But if I'm new -- and I've had precisely this experience many times -- I have no idea where to look, I haven't heard of FPS yet (I've helped many customers to come to appreciate this), etc. etc.\

After you learn how to ride a bike, it seems so obvious that you can't understand why everybody else has training wheels or is falling off. But there is a process. And in SL, there is really no way, even going to the best seminars and looking at all the in-game features, to understand what good real estate is except by trial, error, learning from experience, flying around, and doing research.


It's merely a shopping list. It gives you a list of where to go. It isn't the actual act of shopping. Others have pointed out that they impulse-buy after the take a good look-see at the land. It's that act that I'm zeroing in on when I reflect on boxes. For some, boxes help that experience, believe it or not because they play on the subconscious, I guess -- experts on advertising could comment better.



Yes we already agreed on this.



Go back to my first post and say that I too loath this sea of for sale signs even when I make them, try to make them lighter, more phantom, prettier, etc. even on my own sim.

BUT they work. I've watched it happen in a variety of settings. I don't have the resources to do double-blind peer-reviewed scientific placebo testing on this, but just ask Blue Burke how many ugly spinning yellow boxes came shooting back into his inventory box today : )

I understand you used it as intended. So did Anshe. That's the problem with this 'tool', there are no rules to it. You rate as you see fit on the 3 criteria. It is quite possible she didn't feel appreciative of any of the 3 for you. Of course, it could've been in spite, but who really knows? There's the mystery.

As far as the land-ban tool, it is commonly used in the fashion you describe. I know many people that ban those they don't like as a means of either defending thier home from known griefers or to rid themselves of someone they don't appreciate.

I know. Maybe my graphics card isn't the best, maybe I suffer from Daltonism, but flying around at night, with the orange, isn't as visible as a sign made with the "light" picked on the object.

Land barons scatter signs all around because it's an in-your-face advertisement that works. They do it, it works. If it didn't work, they wouldn't. If not putting them worked as well, because it made everyone love them, they wouldn't do it. But they are hated as a class anyway, due to a certain allergy to commerce for some in SL, so they do it anyway.

I've actually once bought a piece of land with an ugly yellow box precisely to put that ugly yellow box out of its misery. If an SL rifle could knock them things out of the sky, I'd do that, too.



Right clicking in a laggy crashing SL game in real-time conditions and trying to pull up that menu with the little weeny writing in it isn't as effective as a light sign that instantly says "for sale".



Yep, so we have to make prettier boxes or prove scientifically that the land sells better without them, I can't think of other ways to convince barons to pay attention to this annoyance, when what they do is judge the effectiveness of this technique by the number of those ugly things that come back into their inventory every day.

Aren't all poles skewed?

It was hard to capture just how much Maui has been improved recently, but personally, I just love it.

I find nothing wrong with the Polish.

~Ulrika~

Not gonna spend much time on this, your words will due just fine.

What is up with this sick fucking ethos that people like attribute to banning? You feel no need to be decent human beings and have lost every bit of common sense you ever had.

Banning your ass from my lot is a tool too sport and part of the game, Anshe didn't invent it, she used it. There was what she considered an obnoxious neighbor, that she did not seek out, but was rather placed next to her and neg rated her without the decency to talk to her about the problem first. So, she banned your ass from her property.

If using a tool (banning) in the way that it was INTENDED is considered treating someone poorly, go neg rate some Linden ass for creating it.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

By the way, could I borrow some money?

~Ulrika~

Well, I really know! She neg-rated my building skill! Unless she was basing that on the fact that I HADN'T ever built anything, I think it might just be out of spite.

Oh, and I am WAAAAY cute.. so there is no way she could've thought my appearance was negative!

Not much of a mystery to me!



No, it is not commonly used in the fashion I describe. It can't be. "Common" implies that there are a ton of people who single handedly buy and sell most of the land in SL.

She wasn't defending her home.. she didn't live there. I did.

Juro.. I know you have enough grey matter to see the grey area here. It's not a simple matter of "breaking rules". It's all about breaking the spirit of the rules.

LOL... now you pretend to KNOW what the Lindens were thinking... nice. Try again.

That would have been a really awesome parody if it made sense!

Please refer to my last post for your side order of smackdown regarding this subject

Wow, Billy, you have rebuked people for using profanity in their posts, and yet here we have multiple expletives in a post.

Any tool can often be misused to grief someone - I also doubt the intention of the Lindens upon creating the tool was to allow someone who owned the land around someone to severely restrict the access of another player to their own land. At the time, Panda gave Anshe a single neg rate with a message of why. Fair enough, rate back, which she did in triplicate, and then banned him from every piece of land in the same sim. The action was complete overkill and out of scope with the offense. Should Panda have talked to Anshe? Yes. Does it make what Anshe did justified? No.

I think that this was in response to Jeska's warning to not personally attack people in the forums about three posts prior.

Finally, I'm very disturbed with your bull-dog like attacks on pandastrong. Both in the fact that regardless of what he says you retort angrily but also with the large number of swear words in some of your posts.

WWTD, Billy? You know he wouldn't cuss. Let's keep it civil.

~Ulrika~

Wow I am loving the debates ! Thanks for the pic Malachi, I wish I had thought to do it before I vacated. Interesting note, Jauani snapped up my holdings as soon as I set the price and raised it a bit to a still reasonable price for the area. You may note though if you fly over there that he uses no signage whatsoever ! Bravo.

Yes, Panda... its all grey area which means neither of you are doing anything wrong. Both of you did something I don't agree with, but that's my personal philosophy.

*ahem*

You don't say.... busy Friday night?

I guess I respect where you are coming from. But you don't see ANY difference?

I don't know about the particular situation in question, but people have claimed in the forum that they have been surrounded by Anshe's land with banning turned on to make it difficult for the player to access their own plot. I've also seen incidents of Anshe severely terraforming plots in order to harrass adjacent land owners.

And as the good old Community Standards state:


Neg-rates don't inhibit another's ability to enjoy; pernicious banning and occlusive terraforming do. The latter are reportable infractions.