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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
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01-06-2005 17:48
Just a small update. Just went in world and flew to Maui. I am corrected, Jauani sold to Anshe and now I am on the ban list. Too rich, she was there and I proudly received my 3 negs
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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01-06-2005 17:48
Yes, Panda... its all grey area which means neither of you are doing anything wrong. Both of you did something I don't agree with, but that's my personal philosophy. pandastrong's intent was to send a message to Anshe that he didn't care for the forrest of for-sale signs. The damage was a negative rating. Anshe's intent was to punish him for expressing that opinion. The damage was three negative ratings and several very inconvenient and visually unappealing land bans. It is a standard case of communication followed by retaliation. Note that the communication properly utilized the ratings system but the retaliation was an abuse of the ratings system. Further the retaliation included an element of griefing by further inconveniencing pandastrong. If I were a mediator, I would side on the side pandastrong as he used the tools as they were designed and had no malicious intent, which is the exact opposite of Anshe. Further I would allow his negative rating to stand and would require the complete reversal of Anshe's negative ratings, land bans, as well as damages for inconvenience. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
Chik-chik-chika-ahh
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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
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01-06-2005 17:50
retaliation was an abuse of the ratings system An activity that is legal and permissable under the TOS is not an "abuse". |
pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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01-06-2005 17:51
Just a small update. Just went in world and flew to Maui. I am corrected, Jauani sold to Anshe and now I am on the ban list. Too rich, she was there and I proudly received my 3 negs ![]() ![]() I warned you Leck! I better not catch you loitering in Pandaland stealing PURSES ![]() _____________________
"Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game."
~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media "That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline." ~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game. |
Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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01-06-2005 17:59
An activity that is legal and permissable under the TOS is not an "abuse". That's what makes me so cool. A little bit of Lecktor Hannibal mixed with some Pendari Lorentz and a dash of Kendra Bancroft. ![]() ~Ulrika~ _____________________
Chik-chik-chika-ahh
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
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01-06-2005 18:01
I guess I respect where you are coming from. But you don't see ANY difference? ![]() A slight difference, yes. But, they both originate from negative spaces. |
Dale Zephyr
Registered User
Join date: 23 Sep 2004
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01-06-2005 18:03
I'm not dogmatic adhering to only what is written rather I prescribe to grounded universal morals (categorical imperatives) supplemented with utilitarianism and feminism. Simply because our masters haven't had time to transcribe in detail every nuance which is crime doesn't mean I don't recognize it for what it is. That's what makes me so cool. A little bit of Lecktor Hannibal mixed with some Pendari Lorentz and a dash of Kendra Bancroft. ![]() ~Ulrika~ But - you aren't the "law" in SL, or the judge, jury or executioner. Thank God. And, for you to state what another player's "intent" was seems to be rather presumptious. It would be good if everyone would just stick to the facts and not start to assume that they know what another player's motives or intentions are. |
Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
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01-06-2005 18:04
I'm not dogmatic adhering to only what is written rather I prescribe to grounded universal morals (categorical imperatives) supplemented with utilitarianism and feminism. Simply because our masters haven't had time to transcribe in detail every nuance which is crime doesn't mean I don't recognize it for what it is. That's what makes me so cool. A little bit of Lecktor Hannibal mixed with some Pendari Lorentz and a dash of Kendra Bancroft. ![]() ~Ulrika~ Not sure whether to be offended or flattered ! ![]() _____________________
YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net '
Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible. Bikers have more fun than people ! |
Daemioth Sklar
Lifetime Member
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01-06-2005 18:07
I would prefer the average buildings there that average residents in SL usually put on their land.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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01-06-2005 18:12
But - you aren't the "law" in SL, or the judge, jury or executioner. Thank God. And, for you to state what another player's "intent" was seems to be rather presumptious. It would be good if everyone would just stick to the facts and not start to assume that they know what another player's motives or intentions are. ![]() Also, I'd like to say that speculating on intent is exactly what law is about. That's the whole point of having a jury of one's peers. We go so far as to even speculate on premeditation, punishing those, whom we think planned a crime in advance, more than we do crimes of passion. In this case Anshe's crime was one of passion. ![]() ~Ulrika~ _____________________
Chik-chik-chika-ahh
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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01-06-2005 18:44
An activity that is legal and permissable under the TOS is not an "abuse". There are many ways to violate the spirit of a law without violating the letter of it. _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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01-06-2005 18:47
I'm not dogmatic adhering to only what is written rather I prescribe to grounded universal morals (categorical imperatives) supplemented with utilitarianism and feminism. Simply because our masters haven't had time to transcribe in detail every nuance which is crime doesn't mean I don't recognize it for what it is. That's what makes me so cool. A little bit of Lecktor Hannibal mixed with some Pendari Lorentz and a dash of Kendra Bancroft. ![]() ~Ulrika~ * weeps for being ruthlessly excluded * After all the times I have quoted you, stuck up for you, challenged you, and even illuminated you in blog, you think you could include me in the mix, BUT NO. ![]() _____________________
Cristiano
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
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01-06-2005 20:11
Just a small update. Just went in world and flew to Maui. I am corrected, Jauani sold to Anshe and now I am on the ban list. Too rich, she was there and I proudly received my 3 negs ![]() ![]() What's rather funny (and I use funny because I'm having a hard time deciding between 'irony' and 'hypocracy') - She don't like scripts that use a certain call to send an agent back to their home location ![]() Oh, and I didn't answer the poll... It's more tool for soothing the ego than trying to actually determine something. Siggy. _____________________
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Hank Ramos
Lifetime Scripter
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01-06-2005 20:14
Anshe owns most of the land. Who cares? And if we did care, would Anshe actually change things?
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Dallas Moreau
Registered User
Join date: 7 Dec 2004
Posts: 146
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01-06-2005 20:32
The poll bites. It's obviously purposefully designed to troll. And she called the majority of her customers "average" and opined that they build "average" homes, which sends a clear message about attitudes toward business. Why is there a debate here? You're doing what she wanted you to do.
Ignore this poll and thread, focus directly on issues like griefing through terraforming, banning, etc. _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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01-06-2005 20:40
Anshe owns most of the land. Who cares? And if we did care, would Anshe actually change things? ![]() The problem isn't with Anshe, it's with the system. We need to tax land sales or flatten the land tiers to eliminate the financial incentive to exploit or for those who are fiscally well-read we need to add risk and regulation to arbitrage. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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01-06-2005 20:51
The poll bites. It's obviously purposefully designed to troll. And she called the majority of her customers "average" and opined that they build "average" homes, which sends a clear message about attitudes toward business. Why is there a debate here? You're doing what she wanted you to do. Ignore this poll and thread, focus directly on issues like griefing through terraforming, banning, etc. We have gone round these topics many many times. We just like to pick fights with each other at this point. ![]() _____________________
Cristiano
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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01-06-2005 20:55
We have gone round these topics many many times. We just like to pick fights with each other at this point. ![]() You smell! _____________________
"Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game."
~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media "That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline." ~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game. |
MrsJakal Suavage
Purple Butterfly
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01-06-2005 21:04
Back on topic.....
I choose option C.....PIE! ![]() _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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01-06-2005 21:09
I choose option C.....PIE! ![]() ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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01-06-2005 21:11
You smell! Yes, like tequila. You carry a purse! _____________________
Cristiano
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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01-06-2005 21:15
Yes, like tequila. You carry a purse! Somebody is having a Friday night on a Thursday! Have fun Ano! ![]() _____________________
"Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game."
~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media "That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline." ~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game. |
Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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01-06-2005 21:16
Yes, like tequila. You carry a purse! Please tell me you didn't use a phrase which takes feminine traits such as carrying a purse or wearing a dress and use it as an insult for a man as if being a woman is in itself a bad thing. ![]() ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Finn Jensen
Registered User
Join date: 5 Jul 2004
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01-06-2005 21:28
Been reading about the Pandastrong Anshe event quite a few times in several threds now.
I wonder if the for sale sign had been anyone elses, would Panda has neg rated? Maybe Anshe banned him from her land, to teach him use the IM feature, which should have been used in first place. If I do not not like what my neighbout has, I would at least try to solve it by talking before attacking with some lame in game feature. Maybe banning made Panda use the Im feature, which is alo a built in game tool? I would probably have done the same as Anshe did, just to see how the rater bounce between the lots. Not for long though, maybe a day or 2 or less if I had gotten an IM where the rater would have shown he is capapble of communicating with words instead of clicking built in game features ( which i belive Anshe showed him she also have). And to Siggy, there is still a differnce between not letting anyone enter and tricking someone to come in and kill him. |
Lianne Marten
Cheese Baron
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01-06-2005 21:41
I would probably have done the same as Anshe did, just to see how the rater bounce between the lots. Well unfortunately (as has been mentioned before) using the land banning tools to purposefully hinder another person's access to their land or to lessen their enjoyment of the program is a violation of the TOS. _____________________
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