The L$ Pop Was Great! Now I'm Selling!
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 18:22
From: Tiger Zobel We'll be watching that, won't we...? Oh, and since I've never sold L$, and have no intention of doing so, I don't think that little prediction of yours will come to pass either...  It is good you don’t have L$ to sell because you'd be kicking yourself on Wed while selling in the 300s. And yes, we will be watching. Mark my words. All must call me "Master SL Economist" if/when I'm proven correct or you must eat your virtual shorts as I've put up the risk of eating my virtual hat 
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Tiger Zobel
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07-03-2006 18:33
From: Pan Fan But I HAVE gotten it right on time. No economist can predict it right on the hour or even the exact day. I started posting when I knew the value was done gaining at some crazy rate. I knew it may gain a little more or start losing value then, thus the reason I mentioned it at that time. It turns out the L$ still had a little more in it, but that is def it. Even with our pop of almost 7.5k now we have a instant sell rate of 298/1usd and we even have some L$ on 298 now although it should be gone soon. After 11pm tonight, timmmmber. SELL! Ahem... [quoteI figure the L$ will stop gaining value now (Around 301L/1USD)[/quote] From: someone But the L$ will lose value starting soon/ within 24 hours (posted 26+ hours ago, by the way) From: someone Notice the L$ is at 302 now. Down it goes.(also posted 26+ hours ago) From: someone Note it's at 301 now... back up it goes.(me) Yea, with half a million and growing.(PF... 25 hours ago. current value is 296...) From: someone You don't HAVE to sell right now, but now is when you'd get the best deal.(posted when the value was 301... now at 296, so then wasn't when you'd get the best deal at all) If you knew it *might* gain some more value, why the abolutionistic pronouncements that it wouldn't? Two possible answers... you were trying to panic the market into selling, (which can be done, we've seen it happen unfortunately) or you're now trying to spin what you said in the hopes that we'll be fooled by your rewritten claims... Either way, you were wrong. Try admitting it.
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 18:38
From: Tiger Zobel Ahem... if you knew it *might* gain some more value, why the abolutionistic pronouncements that it wouldn't? Two possible answers... you were trying to panic the market into selling, (which can be done, we've seen it happen unfortunately) or you're now trying to spin what you said in the hopes that we'll be fooled by your rewritten claims...
Either way, you were wrong. Try admitting it. I have to quote ANOTHER previous post to you? And this one was TO YOU! Read it carefully: "I HAVE been right. I didn’t hit the nail right on the head at 301, but I sure as hell got the time right when the value of the L$ was going to stop gaining. After tonight at 11pm it is all downhill and that is only because a lot of people are getting online for the night, which is a variable not in the equation several hours ago when the value was down. Just look at it, the value is flat and only gaining anything due to high pop for the night. This is the end of the gains and the start of the loss. Wed afternoon you’ll be eating your shorts. SELL now to get the best deal ever!" PS. Noone "knows" people can only speculate. SELL!
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Ketra Saarinen
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07-03-2006 18:41
Look, Jamie, or RBD, or whoever you want to be, noone's falling for it. All you're doing is making yourself look like a bigger and bigger fool. Stop, please, for your own sake. Noone cares what you think about the economy, I'm sorry. But they do care about the economy. Your constant efforts to push it down the tubes are just getting old, and now they're pretty weak. Please, just stop.
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Tiger Zobel
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07-03-2006 18:42
From: Pan Fan It is good you don’t have L$ to sell because you'd be kicking yourself on Wed while selling in the 300s. What did I say about assuming things? Not having L$ to sell and not having any need to sell them are two different things... No wonder you keep getting things wrong, you're not even paying attention to what's being said! From: someone And yes, we will be watching. Mark my words. All must call me "Master SL Economist" if/when I'm proven correct or you must eat your virtual shorts as I've put up the risk of eating my virtual hat  IF! You put IF!! I guess you're not so sure anymore... trying to do some damage control before you look like a complete fool?
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Tiger Zobel
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07-03-2006 18:44
From: Pan Fan I have to quote ANOTHER previous post to you? And this one was TO YOU! Read it carefully:
"I HAVE been right. I didn’t hit the nail right on the head at 301, but I sure as hell got the time right when the value of the L$ was going to stop gaining. After tonight at 11pm it is all downhill and that is only because a lot of people are getting online for the night, which is a variable not in the equation several hours ago when the value was down. Just look at it, the value is flat and only gaining anything due to high pop for the night. This is the end of the gains and the start of the loss. Wed afternoon you’ll be eating your shorts.
SELL now to get the best deal ever!"
PS. Noone "knows" people can only speculate. SELL! Hon... I replied to that post with a load of quotes FROM YOU showing that you were continually getting the times and values wrong... I read it, I replied to it, I proved you wrong... and you say I have to read it carefully? It might help if you read my posts, rather than skimming over them for a red herring attack. :edit: By the way... I don't own shorts... pants and skirts yes, but no shorts. What did I say about assumptions? 
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 18:46
From: Ketra Saarinen Look, Jamie, or RBD, or whoever you want to be, noone's falling for it. All you're doing is making yourself look like a bigger and bigger fool. Stop, please, for your own sake. Noone cares what you think about the economy, I'm sorry. But they do care about the economy. Your constant efforts to push it down the tubes are just getting old, and now they're pretty weak. Please, just stop. I'm not Jamie or RBD. And I'm not trying to "crash" the economy. Give me a break with that. People post stuff about the economy or stocks all the time in RL; it makes little or no difference. I'm simply typing what I see the future to hold. I'm free to say or post whatever I want as long as it does not break the TOS. If you guys keep trying to put me down or defame me I'm going to have to report you as it hurts my feelings and is against SL TOS. If you want to rebuff what I have to say about the economy with stats or your opinion, fine, but if you are going to try and say I am someone I am not or defame me, I'm going to have to report you. Thanks. PS. SELL NOW!
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 18:49
From: Tiger Zobel Hon... I replied to that post with a load of quotes FROM YOU showing that you were continually getting the times and values wrong... I read it, I replied to it, I proved you wrong... and you say I have to read it carefully? It might help if you read my posts, rather than skimming over them for a red herring attack. :edit: By the way... I don't own shorts... pants and skirts yes, but no shorts. What did I say about assumptions?  I was referring to when you said I couldn’t admit when I was wrong. I said I didn’t hit the nail on the head at 301 but this is it. It is like an extra bonus! SELL! And you didn't prove anything wrong. We'll see who is wrong on Wed. I'm sure you'll be AWOL.
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 18:53
From: Tiger Zobel What did I say about assuming things? Not having L$ to sell and not having any need to sell them are two different things...
No wonder you keep getting things wrong, you're not even paying attention to what's being said! IF! You put IF!! I guess you're not so sure anymore... trying to do some damage control before you look like a complete fool? Go cry some more. What are you going to eat on Wed? It can be anything in game, but I want to meet up with you so I can watch you eat it. I'll even script the eating animi.
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Tiger Zobel
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07-03-2006 18:53
From: Pan Fan If you guys keep trying to put me down or defame me I'm going to have to report you as it hurts my feelings and is against SL TOS. If you want to rebuff what I have to say about the economy with stats or your opinion, fine, but if you are going to try and say I am someone I am not or defame me, I'm going to have to report you. Thanks.
And your accusations of flames and personal attacks, along with the very blatent implication of someone being childish? You going to report yourself or be a hypocrite? Valid question really... if you want to live by the ToS, then live by it... don't go cherry-picking it in an attempt to stop people demolishing your points.
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 19:01
From: Tiger Zobel And your accusations of flames and personal attacks, along with the very blatent implication of someone being childish? You going to report yourself or be a hypocrite?
Valid question really... if you want to live by the ToS, then live by it... don't go cherry-picking it in an attempt to stop people demolishing your points. I could care less if someone posts an opinion different than mine or some different stats, but so far all anyone has done was try and hurt my validity by saying I'm someone I am not or by trying to defame me, both of which are against SL TOS. Saying that flaming wars is childish is 100% inline with SL TOS. It is an opinion, not a personal attack. Now, if we could get back to the issue at hand, only one more hour before the population starts to decline and then the L$ will REALLY start losing value. Tomorrow the stipends get added. Maybe there will be enough people whom actually stay in and play to keep the pop up, but I doubt it and even if they do the L$ will still lose and then Wed will be the end of it. 300+ by Wed no doubt! SELL!
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Tiger Zobel
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07-03-2006 19:01
From: Pan Fan I was referring to when you said I couldn’t admit when I was wrong. I said I didn’t hit the nail on the head at 301 but this is it. It is like an extra bonus! SELL!
And you didn't prove anything wrong. We'll see who is wrong on Wed. I'm sure you'll be AWOL. *sigh* so, you claim you HAVE been right... (that's past tense, by the way, meaning you claim you have been right in the past...) As you have not gotten anything right in the PAST, that's a false claim. And you can't even admit that you're wrong about being able to admit being wrong! From: someone Which claim we going to be eating things over this time? I know... we'll eat stuff over your ABSOLUTE claim that it would be 315/$ on Wednesday... No? How about your ABSOLUTE claim that it's be 308/$ on Tuesday? Or your ABSOLUTE claim that it'd never get beyond 301? or that it was going to rise from there ever more?
You've missed every prediction you've made so far... batting 0.000.
By the way, shouldn't you have finished eating that hat by now?
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Tiger Zobel
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07-03-2006 19:03
From: Pan Fan I could care less if someone posts an opinion different than mine or some different stats, but so far all anyone has done was try and hurt my validity by saying I'm someone I am not or by trying to defame me, both of which are against SL TOS. Saying that flaming wars is childish is 100% inline with SL TOS. It is an opinion, not a personal attack. However... personal accusations of flaming and personal attacks ARE against ToS... and those you have certainly done. From: someone Now, if we could get back to the issue at hand, only one more hour before the population starts to decline and then the L$ will REALLY start losing value. Tomorrow the stipends get added. Maybe there will be enough people whom actually stay in and play to keep the pop up, but I doubt it and even if they do the L$ will still lose and then Wed will be the end of it. 300+ by Wed no doubt! SELL! 300+ now... My, how the predictions keep changing...
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 19:04
From: Tiger Zobel *sigh* so, you claim you HAVE been right... (that's past tense, by the way, meaning you claim you have been right in the past...) As you have not gotten anything right in the PAST, that's a false claim. And you can't even admit that you're wrong about being able to admit being wrong! From: someone Which claim we going to be eating things over this time? I know... we'll eat stuff over your ABSOLUTE claim that it would be 315/$ on Wednesday... No? How about your ABSOLUTE claim that it's be 308/$ on Tuesday? Or your ABSOLUTE claim that it'd never get beyond 301? or that it was going to rise from there ever more?
You've missed every prediction you've made so far... batting 0.000.
By the way, shouldn't you have finished eating that hat by now? Once again: I said noone could predict it right on the hour. I am still VERY close. You guys are still calling for 250 ROFLMAO! You still haven't told me what you are going to eat on Wed. We can go back and forth all night, but only time will tell who is right. I have virtual ketchup for whatever you'll be eating.
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 19:06
From: Tiger Zobel However... personal accusations of flaming and personal attacks ARE against ToS... and those you have certainly done. 300+ now... My, how the predictions keep changing... Report me then. I've done NOTHING outside of TOS although YOU and others have. I've said 300+ by Wed the whole time. Try reading. Damn, for someone who thinks I'm so wrong and not worth listening to you sure have given me a lot of attention. SELL!
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Teufel Hauptmann
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07-03-2006 19:12
You guys should just get along. It is almost the 4th! Drink one and be merry!
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Ketra Saarinen
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07-03-2006 19:13
From: Pan Fan I'm not Jamie or RBD. And I'm not trying to "crash" the economy. Give me a break with that. People post stuff about the economy or stocks all the time in RL; it makes little or no difference. I'm simply typing what I see the future to hold. I'm free to say or post whatever I want as long as it does not break the TOS.
If you guys keep trying to put me down or defame me I'm going to have to report you as it hurts my feelings and is against SL TOS. If you want to rebuff what I have to say about the economy with stats or your opinion, fine, but if you are going to try and say I am someone I am not or defame me, I'm going to have to report you. Thanks.
PS. SELL NOW! *blink* When did I say crash? Please don't put words in my mouth. Your use of quotes implies that I used that word. 'Crash,' in both economic and technical jargon indicates a catastrophic failure that results in a cesation of all function. I will not allow you to use a mis-quotation to imply something that I did not say.
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Ketra Saarinen
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07-03-2006 19:16
From: Teufel Hauptmann You guys should just get along. It is almost the 4th! Drink one and be merry! I've still got 1h38m to go. 
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 19:17
From: Ketra Saarinen *blink* When did I say crash? Please don't put words in my mouth. Your use of quotes implies that I used that word. 'Crash,' in both economic and technical jargon indicates a catastrophic failure that results in a cesation of all function. I will not allow you to use a mis-quotation to imply something that I did not say. Yes, you did only say "bring it down" or whatever. That is not what I care about. It is the fact that you and others keep trying to defame me by saying I'm someone else, which people obviously don't agree with. Sorry your post was the one I jumped on, but it was the last straw  Oh and even with the market at its population peek we are selling at 297! SELL now or at least don't say I didn’t tell you so. And just so people don’t think I'm trying to panic people, you can wait and sell if you want, you won't lose it all or anything, you just won’t get the best selling rate. 305 is not that bad, but 297 is better!
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Ketra Saarinen
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07-03-2006 19:27
If you're not RBD and/or Jamie, then a little advice: Yelling "SELL!" and "SELL NOW!" is counter-productive. Even if people didas you say, then the L$ would fall for no good reason. A moderate approach is much better. And honestly, those who have enough to sell aren't uninformed enough that they will immediately drop their L$ on the market at your reccomendation.
If you are RBD/Jamie/et al, then please see my first post in this thread.
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Tiger Zobel
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07-03-2006 19:28
From: Pan Fan Once again: I said noone could predict it right on the hour. I am still VERY close. You guys are still calling for 250 ROFLMAO!
You still haven't told me what you are going to eat on Wed. We can go back and forth all night, but only time will tell who is right. I have virtual ketchup for whatever you'll be eating. Right... put your money where your mouth is and show me where I have EVER claimed it WOULD continue dropping. I have made no such claims anywhere, so why would I have to do anything if, by some strange turn of events, you are right? It's not like I have any stake in this... all I HAVE been doing is commenting on what is happening and trying to correct some of your more obvious errors. Despite your attempts to make this into a battle of competing predictions between us, I'm not going to make the same mistake you have and actually MAKE any. (by the way, you are taking the thread away from topic and making it into a personal dispute... that is against CS/ToS) In an attempt to drag it back to where it should be, I note that the gain in value has slowed, with L$ being placed at 296/5 in large amounts with small amounts being sneaked in at 297+ As there is now a higher $ cost to buy equal amounts of L$, we can see a major reason why it's slowing down... people will become more reluctant to buy as they get less for their money. However, if that is the only way for them to get the money they want within a reasonable timeframe, they WILL buy and the value has every chance to gain more value. And guess what... there is every chance that the L$ will "blip" it's way down Tuesday... it almost always does. On the other hand, now that we've got things back to the pre-panic values, where it had been stable for a long time, I doubt that it will ever crash like that again, unless there is another major change to Lindex. Opinions please... and no, that doesn't mean desperate attempts to convince people that it's just gonna fall from now and people should SELL!!!!!
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Lina Pussycat
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07-03-2006 19:31
Ok tossing my thoughts on this out there. First off Pan your just screaming sell like every other half wit before you to try and bring down the value of L even if you openly wont admit it and deny it in the open. Next the economy is going to slide about its going to get weaker and stronger and recent changes have nothing to do with a population increase there are times the population on has hit 8k. The reason the value of the L went up was more a boost in confidence and people getting their freaking way getting rid of some of the money for the more casual users.
Another note you is that not everyone in SL of that logged in population is actually buying L nor are all of them selling L. Not all content creators are selling L either some of us use the money we make to buy other products in world or help out people with that money. You can say you do all this stuff in the real world and that people post in the real world about stocks etc all the time to sell and stuff but the thing is SL is a bit diff and that money being traded on the stock market actually has a face value as opposed to a value set by the people using the stock market.
Run and sell now tactics are what hurt SL's economy in the first place and i think slowly people are starting to realize if they want to make more of a profit they are going to have to start by not listening to people that scream what you have been and do it the way thatt hings have been going now for almost the past month. The trend will likely continue to increase and decrease but the value will likely go up slowly.
I'm not an economic expert nor do i claim to be onebut i have been here a bit over a year now and have seen the economy in SL first hand time and time again and If your not someone's alt well frankly you really have no clue what your talking about even if you watched it while not playing.
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Tiger Zobel
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07-03-2006 19:34
From: Pan Fan Oh and even with the market at its population peek we are selling at 297! SELL now or at least don't say I didn’t tell you so. And just so people don’t think I'm trying to panic people, you can wait and sell if you want, you won't lose it all or anything, you just won’t get the best selling rate. 305 is not that bad, but 297 is better! See, you're using some very "intense" language to get across your message and it's giving the impression that you're desperate for people to sell. Maybe you could tone it down and we could actually HAVE a discussion about this rather than feel like we're talking to a hyperactive scaremongerer... or you could keep going as you are and have no-one take you seriously... the choice is yours. Oh, and even with the market at it's population peak, we're selling at 296... 
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 19:48
From: Tiger Zobel See, you're using some very "intense" language to get across your message and it's giving the impression that you're desperate for people to sell. Maybe you could tone it down and we could actually HAVE a discussion about this rather than feel like we're talking to a hyperactive scaremongerer... or you could keep going as you are and have no-one take you seriously... the choice is yours. Oh, and even with the market at it's population peak, we're selling at 296...  OK, so from what you guys are saying I shouldn't yell "sell' anymore but instead politely tell people they should sell. Fine. I don’t care if people sell or not as I am broke and sit in camping chairs lol. I just want it to be known that this is the best sale rate and thus people should sell. You will see Wed that I was right all along and this wole conversation will be void. Oh, and from what I see it is at 297 with the pop over 7.7k! Just wait until the pop goes down. I would sell if I were you. How's that?
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Pan Fan
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07-03-2006 19:51
From: Ketra Saarinen If you're not RBD and/or Jamie, then a little advice: Yelling "SELL!" and "SELL NOW!" is counter-productive. Even if people didas you say, then the L$ would fall for no good reason. A moderate approach is much better. And honestly, those who have enough to sell aren't uninformed enough that they will immediately drop their L$ on the market at your reccomendation.
If you are RBD/Jamie/et al, then please see my first post in this thread. Actually, due to the fact I have less than 1k in game, I'd be happy if the value of the L$ stayed right where it is or even got stronger, but this simply is not what is going to happen. I'm not doing this to try to make myself an extra .20 cents on a sale but rather because I know that my prediction is correct, or at least very close. I'd sell now if I had L$ to sell worth more than a few bucks lol. Oh and no, I'm not those guys.
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