Announcing the Second Life Land Store Boycott

WOOT! \o/

It's pretty obvious he Lewis thinks SL should be free. And it's implied that he doesn't think making money can be fun. Playing games, gaming the system, SL is a game... all these definitions of 'game' floating around, you'd think someone would infer that there are ACTUALLY people out there that get enjoyment from different aspects, even when indulging the same activity. As if.

And if you are someone that does any sort of creative activity, such as, but not limited to: Painting, writing, DJing, public entertainment, architectural and clothing design, programming, - well, you should be giving that stuff away. You know, just because. BECAUSE I WANT IT ALL FOR FREE! Never mind the fact that other people are spending time on it and have a right to seek compensation for their work, regardless of whether you agree with their asking price. This nonsense about "If you don't like the price, you don't have to buy it!" is just stupid.

SL isn't a game to everyone. Life is a game to some people. I see the philosophies behind those two statements very similar. It IS fair for people to seek compensation for their work and time, and it is NOT fair for someone to suggest that some people in SL, who have decided to make part or all of their income making content and providing services for other people should give it all away, when you aren't willing to put in the exact same time and effort and do the same.

If ANYONE is on SL putting in the same time and effort that Anshe, for example, is putting into maintaining his/her business, and giving it all away for free, bravo - and how did you get that internet connection installed in the back of your cardboard box?

It isn't?

It's all about control. What ever happened to SL.

Visionary, Lordfly.

Absolutely visionary.

Liberalism becomes Socialism. And Socialism requires control
to create a futile attempt at building Utopia.

Enjoy the Control, you brought it on yourself....


They do not realize that democratic socialism, the great utopia of the last few generations, is not only unachievable but that to strive for it produces something utterly different - the very destruction of freedom itself. As has been aptly said: "What has always made the state a hell on earth has been precisely that man has tried to make it his heaven."

The Road To Serfdom
F.A. Hayek

I was thinking facist state tbh. Which I did not bring on myself ty.

By the area to the west , do you mean the current red protected area, or the purple protected area that is truly out to the west?

If an island estate were to leave the protected area (currently including all the existing land) would it then go to the unprotected area to the south of the current private islands?

I simply don't understand why this new system was needed.

If it was simply a way to garner new revenue for LL, then okay, but it seems bone-headed (no offense to Mimbari).

There are so many ways available to improve service and charge for it that it seems unnecessary and misguided to create ways to charge for service that should already be provided.

Claude,

1) The red area to the west not the purple.

2) If an island were to leave the protected area it would do so at the request of the island owner and they would be the one that chooses where it relocates to. That is part of why this system was implemented. Rather than Linden arbitrarily deciding where on the grid island owners are to be placed, the island owner decides.

Why was this new Land Store system started Ryan? What is the main objective?

So, is this meant as a way to allow a soon to be island owner to put themselves in the boonies so to speak?

Seems like if I want to buy an island, then I should be able already to say "Don't put me 'near' other islands or something like that. Why should a whole new system need to be invented?

Are the concierge people all bogged down with griefing? Why can't they manage this?

I'm just dumbfounded. It's not that I think there isn't a good reason for it. It's just that it isn't apparent to me.

Damn good point.

Last I knew it was $100 to transfer or move a sim. If you buy a sim you can request that it be placed next to an existing sim if that sim owner agrees. Well that is the way it used to work. What the heck was so hard about that?

Puts on shiny tin foil hat and takes a stab in the dark

LL knows they can only support so many servers in this world. These new reserved sims are LL's reserves. When they are gone they are gone. They are asking ppl to grab them now before they are all gone

/takes off shiny tin foil hat and goes to talk to the mother ship lol

Cat

There is a US$150 charge for moving a private island to another location. There is a US$100 charge for transferrng ownership to another person. I have always thought that these charges are absolutely ridiculous and most likely born out of a combination of (a) inadequacies in Linden Lab's system meaning that moving and island or transfering ownership is a manual-intensive task and (b) a blatant scam to make more money.

I bid L$100. Do I hear 200?

150 highway robbery! So then there are no perks to having a concierge then. fooy on fees. Crist if im paying 1k-1250 I would like a little something comped for my money. But noooo not at LL they keep making shit up to take even more money. LOL Duh that's a good way to lose customers uh huh.

I've qualified for concierge on the mainland for months, but never bothered them because every other aspect of LL customer service seemed borked.

Recently, I had a very pleasant experience through [email]support@secondlife.com[/email], it made me think that things are turning around, but this thing makes me wonder.

Actually, I think they're probably trying to get to the balance point where they can squeeze as much out of as few people as possible to help their balance sheets. They're pushing prices to see how far they can go. Plus those who've paid a lot of real money in the first place (for their private sims) are most likely to stick with them, even if they don't use the new facility. They've already invested a lot so won't be so quick to run.

Does anybody know what the relationship is between number of private islands and number of mainland sims? Are we close to a point where the sheer number of private sims makes up the bulk of Linden Lab income?

Welp as a person who owns more than one sims worth of tier they can count out my future support. Just the straw that broke this camels back is all. Entertainment is entertainment I do not feel like working in sl to justify that extra 30bucks or 150 bucks or in one persons case 4kus$ to retain what I have or to retain future virtual land. No thanks, sl is a game that I do not wish to take seriously until LL takes its customers seriously. Tier down, may be my only recourse, and that is more than fine with me.

Lets keep in mind no more DI, stippeneds being reduced and other such factors. In a very short amount of time.

I would be very suprised if we didn't see an increase in tier charges in the near future. Maybe not at the sim size tier, especially with these extra charges coming in for those with estates wishing to expand, but at the lower levels I think increases are inevitable.

This ratio could determine the fate of SL.

I say this because many of us would like a more virtual world than SecondLife is. There are lots of proposals along the lines of this. It's a natural progression that LL has so far ignored.

But if LL's income shifts from the mainland to private islands, then they lose the contiguous geography that they seem so attached to. It would make a more virtual world more possible maybe.

Yes, if Second Life continues, then I see this as a logical step. I liked Jon Rolland's idea at the top of page 12 and think that this makes much more sense, but most likely not anywhere near as much money for LL, than the reservation system and moves the world even closer to a more virtual arrangement.

By the way, going back to my previous post on this thread about tier increases. There are two posts on the front page of the Second Life Answers board that are unanswered. One is about this land store and the other, yes you guessed it, is about rumours of tier increases:

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Make of that what you will!