Announcing the Second Life Land Store Boycott

This is really unlikely to ever affect me personally, but...

I certainly agree that the 'auction' over reserved spaces is crazy - someone chooses to reserve a space, and instead starts an auction, which someone else can bid on. Doesn't seem very helpful.

On the slightly redeeming side, there are statements in the announcement about using the tool for griefing... so it may be possible be to get attempts to enclose your land declared null.

This prolly part of a brilliant financial plan for their investors.
"How to milk the same cow over and over..."

Every new release i look forward to an actual fix of excisiting problems, that could make SL a better world. Pay for land i possibly would want maybe, perhaps, who knows, sometimes? Smart Lindens!

And Kyrah, all this 'so called business people' are the ones who makes this world. If they werent here, you would sit stinking under a Linden tree, no skin, no clothes, no shops, no nothing, not even a stupid ball to sit on.

The Land Store in itself is a good idea. And I think it should be applauded that Linden Lab is finally automating most of the processes around setting up private islands. I have not seen the implementation so it is hard to judge it yet. But the idea is good and plausible.

The idea to have to "bid for protection" seems totally absurd to me, though. It looks like an open invitation for griefing, speculating and blackmail. I bet there are reasons that this feature has been implemented - besides opening another revenue stream for LL. I would like to hear more about those reasons.

If it is not simply intented as another revenue source, I would like to suggest a simple feature:

I'd just like to interject at this point to say "what a crock of shit". We were here making content before it was possible to change money in SL, and we did it for the fun of it. And if every one of the capitalist morons that make up 90% of todays SL would fuck off elsewhere, there would still be people making stuff for the fun of it, and likely the place would be a whole lot more fun.

I would love to see LL close Lindex and outlaw L$ sales, and then see how many people are REALLY here because they love Second Life for Second Life, and not because they love Second Life for the easy money from selling copy after copy of the same shit.

The quote should read "these 'so called business people' are the ones who makes this world the festering pile of dung it is today".

'Business People' != content creators. Though admittedly you wouldn't know that from looking in Second Life.

You have a point Anshe.

I own a good part of the sim called Weber, (which before the new continent development by you and others) was at the back of the virtual beyond)

I snapped as much as I could up the moment I saw the new continent and the new Governer Lindon protected Sea.

I now believe that land to be quite valuable in relationship to other land on the mainland as I am close to water (and with two other people) control the entire sim.

But....I do not want my water rights taken away, although I also understand new Islands are not allowed to touch other sims without permission.

Does that mean that any new Sim in Governor Linden protected oceans are not allowed to touch existing land? I think that point needs clarification

Anshe, I have to ask you this.

Your previous "turn your back on Governer Linden" campaign - for the want of a better term - was nothing but a publicity stunt because some of your land value went down around telehubs.

Is this just another "hey look at me, I'm important, and I can make LL change their mind" stunt?

If you are so unhappy, just leave. I'm sure there will be plenty of other people who are more than happy to take over your 'customer base' - and in fact, all the land that would be dumped up for sale might even bring prices down, and benefit everyone who wants to buy land.

Or is it simply a case of the money you make is more important than a principle you apparently believe in?

I have to ask you this... when was the last time you actually logged in to play Second Life for fun? Or is it all just an income to you?

Lewis

I looked thru the discussion of this new feature on http://secondlife.com/community/ That page includes the following text:

"Can someone reserve a space next to me without my permission?
Just like the current standards, Linden lab will not place another region next yours (no touching borders) unless you give your permission."

Since new islands and island reservations won't be placed right next to existing islands, griefing is less likely.

This new Land Store product may affect those requiring large numbers of sims, but few others. Asking for a minimum $10 bid for reserved space is not unreasonable for those planning larger projects.

who the fuck died and made you moderator? You know where the ignore button is. Use it.

I'm with Anshe on this one it's an insane idea wide open to griefing and extortion.

Yep, I create content and sell it in my store. Yesterday I sold L$120 worth of goods - my biggest sale for a long time.

Unfortunately, the concentation on sale to make real world income, rather than providing a quality product, I feel has reduced the overall game experience.

After all, why bother wasting time trying to make something, when you can get L$50 from sitting in a camping chair whilst you sleep?

Lewis

Lewis we are in same group - ca 0-250L a week... sob sob.... BUT I am in SL to have fun.. .I am in SL because I like it.. (so far most of the time.. ) I build and design.. and are very EXAKT when I do it = same as timeconsuming - but the fun in designing ARE the THING!..

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When it come to land and landlords... it must be the same for LL as a real government.. when some one get so huge that the economic transfers are closing up to the geovernment or as in some real life lands.. even huger.. it can become a problem.. The government must care about US all.. the huge companies mostly care for the company income only..

I trust Dana in this case.,,... Now I must go back IRL instead.. (Must get money that I later can spend in SL)..

/Tina.. MUST WORK MUST MUST.. irl))

Last night I bought a piece of roadside land in the adjacent sim, partly to help out a friend who needed to release 512sq/m to buy a parcel closer to her land that had appeared.

So... I spent an hour building a bus shelter. Yes, I know there is no SL bus service, but it's just sitting there, on the side of the road, for absolutely no purpose whatsoever except "because I can".

Once I had finished, I sat down on the seat in the shelter to look at my creation, with the thought of taking a few pictures (which I never managed to do, I'll try later). Someone drove past in a car and stopped right next to me, and was so surprised to see something as ordinary and mundane as a bus stop in SL, they almost couldn't believe what they saw. We had an interesting chat just sitting there, waiting for the bus, then I called over a couple of friends who came and sat with me whilst we chatted. Several other people went driving past, and came back to have another look.

Eventually I rezzed a bus I have in my inventory, and me and my friends went for a short drive up and down the road, to and from the bus stop. Again, for no reason except it was fun.

Out of a simple whimsical creation, I created free entertainment for me, friends, and a number of passers by.

Am I going to get rich from it? Highly unlikely. But if money is the reason you're creating content, you've already missed the whole point.

Lewis

Not that I expect an organized response to occur, but honestly - the only way to really get their attention is to release a crapload of land public. No more tier, no more money flowing to LL. I suspect that would be quite effective as an economic protest.

However, I do doubt anyone would actually do this.

Loved it Lewis!! Loved it!!.. But wow this is not about the threads headline so I leave.. sorry.. BUT i loved that story.. myyyy so nice... (Next time maybe a landlord will stop by toD)..

Most people don't seem to understand that, without all the Land Barons, the game wouldn't fall apart - and would probably be improved in many cases.

Sure, they provide a service - but it's not something that lots of other people couldn't take over, albeit on a smaller scale. More competition makes it better for the purchaser, in monopolies only the seller wins, correct? 1000 residents are more valuable than one land baron.

Lewis

That sound like one good suggestion. In addition, once you outgrow one area you should be able migrate to some larger place for free.

Prokofy calls it a game of "chicken" in his blog. Turns out he was correct this time.

LL won't change their mind for two reasons. It will net them free money and it will further insure the doctrine of One World ~ One Community ~ One Grid All Hail The Central Grid. Arguing those two points is senseless because they simply don't hear what we say.

Now, are you guys really not going to play their game this time? I'm thinking Philip will throw some deeply compelling, vapourfeature-oriented phrases at you in the Town Hall and motivate at least one person to change their mind. Once one person plays, everyone'll have to.

Yes I would love to be able to create a space on a new map that my colleagues could use to communicate with our students. That would be worth paying for.

Sounds like the Socialists in San Francisco are at it again.

Joining the Boycott....

In education we call it "hidden fees." Well yes son your tuition is only $40/hr! Lowest in the country! By the way there's this $400 technology fee, $350 student activity fee, $400 insurance fee, oh you'll need $600 in customized supplies that you must buy from our bookstore and a $1400 meal ticket usable only in our cafeteria. Did I mention that we offer the lowest tuition in the country!?

No land will go public after the update to 1.9. I've been seeing more and more Governor owned land and unbid auctions lately making me think that they think that we're close to a point that public land might start showing up on the map. That would send a very telling signal to investors and stakeholders. But we'll never see it because they'll never publish monthly figures reflecting the percentage of the mainland that is Linden-owned.

When a firm implements a change deisgned to bring in more revenue without even apprising their largest (we think) customer to the degree that she has to call for a boycott because her VAR firm (wholly dependent upon the OEM firm) is seriously impacted by this change, something is indeed rotten in the state of Denmark.

Moopf has pretty much gotten it right. Ignore the man behind the curtain! Surrender Dorothy.

The simple reality is that LL can do what they like without consulting anyone, not even those with self-inflated egos who run massive businesses in game that translate to massive real world incomes.

Not that I'm pointing any fingers, of course...

Lewis

I quite agree with AnsheCorp. Only people who've got enough money should be allowed to get in the way of other people's sim plans!

sometimes I've been accused of having slightly too dry a sense of humour, thus I would like to point out that the above is meant sarcastically