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Cubey Terra
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02-17-2005 13:17
From: Pirate Cotton
I think the lack of stipend is a different issue from the lack of club support.

Really, I don't know how I feel about the lack of stipend. I own no land so I wasn't getting any anyway... hmm.

But it does seem a shame to remove money from newbs who when they run out might find their interest running out too.

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Pirate,

Everyone still gets a stipend and it hasn't been reduced. It's the *bonus* that was reduced. There's still money coming into the game.

Moreover, now that ratings older than 6 monts have been wiped, many new players are likely to have a larger bonus than some older players.
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Persephone Phoenix
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Again, Free money or welfare utterly unaffected
02-17-2005 17:53
The Free money continues as before. That is the stipend. Welfare wasn't affected. It was the earnings of events hosts that I am concerned with. Again...The mistaken analogy people draw is one of cutting welfare. Welfare (stipends) continues as before. The money that was cut was tied to effort or at the very least, behaviour in game.


From: Kris Ritter
I just call 'em as I see 'em, Lance. Not going for the popularity vote here. hehe. But glad it made you chuckle :)

Now like I said.. WHERE'S MY FREE MONEY?
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Persephone Phoenix
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Re Bullying Tactics
02-17-2005 17:55
Actually, Pirate, I did not indicate who was using bullying tactics. Just as a general note, however, namecalling is a bullying tactic. It does nothing to further the conversation or solve any problems. Calling someone a whiner (or calling someone a bully) is namecalling (grins); this is why i did nothing of the kind. I said that some people who use bullying tactics might choose to use others for the benefit of a stronger and more enjoyable community. Thank you for your well considered post. I look forward to chatting with you in world sometime.

~ Perse

From: Pirate Cotton
I provide content, yet I'm not a club, I generate dwell, yet not for myself, I rent my land, yet I turn a profit.

How? By examining the economy, working out what I'm good, what my friends are good at, and planning.

Does this make me better or worse than a club? No, it makes me different. Same goes for all us 'elitist snobs' who are bullying you.. apparently.

You club types (I'll say 'you', as I don't club myself.. but I did end up playing Tringo a couple of times.. damn it's addictive!).. need to remember you don't have us to worry about at all. Us elitist bullying snobs are neither your cometitors nor you patrons.

Other clubs are who you should be watching out for. The good ones might eat up your patrons with a better deal.

What we're seeing here is the same situation as the dinosaurs faced. The environment has changed, the weak will die, the smart will evolve and prove successful.

Please note, I put you guys on this thread in neither category since I don't know you. I would think you will be tough, though, because obviously you care and have energy.

If we (us evil elite) seem uncaring, you're mistaken, it's not that we don't care, it's more that we can do nothing about the changes. Linden Labs have changed the rules, in the same way that a giant asteroid changed the rules for our dinosaur buddies.

We can't make LL change the rules, and we can't make the boulder fly back up into space.

So now you're left with 2 choices.
1) Keep going and change
2) Die

Which do you chose? If you chose to keep going, sit down with a piece of paper and work ou the numbers. What are your costs? What can you expect to make? What ideas do you have to make money? You guys know a lot more about running clubs than any of us elitists, I'm sure you can do just fine. Go for it! And remeber, the patrons won't be dropping off soon, but the clubs WILL! That's good for you, right!

I saw a great club the other day, the BK Waterpolo place.. a game and a club environment. Cool! I'd love to see more creative places like this. But you can choose your own path :)

Another simple fact is there will always be more people wanting to run clubs and things than there is room in the economy to do so. Just like the real world where.. what is it.. 80% of businesses will collapse within the first 5 years. In SL, I bet 80% collapse within the first 5 weeks. That's because this isn't like PlayStation where the more you play, the more you win. If only huh!

As for not being able to make money without being part of the patriarchy.. well. No, that doesn't hold. I can build, roughly, texture.. badly, yet I'm part of a cool project. How? I made some friends and had an Idea. That's not a barrier to anyone here. If clubbing isn't doing it for you, and you're short of ideas. Talk to me, I have dozens. Hell, I had an idea yesterday which would generate profit for the owner and help newbs too.. just don't have the time or spare coder friend to build it. Seriously tho, I love chatting about business ideas in SL. Buzz me.

All note Foxy Xevious. Not really a coder or builder, but has the best looking and coded content. How? She uses her womanly charms (no not rude!) one must presume (to follow Persephone's logic). So it is perfectly doable for women to 'compete'.

Actually, Forseti had a great idea! Club events sponsored by a fashion house. Half way through, break for a 5 min fashion show from said vendor, and your patrons could have a little side-stall to buy those items from. Great idea! Everyone wins!

Another thought. Clubs will always have problems, because of time/earnings issues. The richest people in the world (RL and SL) are those who can invent a widget and then sell it. And it sells whether they are awake, asleep, working, holidaying, whatever. They don't need to put in hours and hours of time to get a reward. The rest of us work and are paid for our time, and little else. If we work more, we get paid more, work less, we get paid less.

Thus people who run events will always get the short end of the stick unless they have widgets to sell as well. This is just like real life. And something we all just have to deal with I think.

Long and rambly I know, but remember, this isn't PlayStation. Simply putting in time won't guarantee you success (if you measure that in money). If your club isn't doing well, do something else for a while and come back with some fresh ideas!

To ramble more. Anyone social with coder mates I have a great business ready to go. Cut me in for a few % and the idea is yours.

..I like how DarkLife keeps making it into the lists as well. No Linden support, no events, no dwell. Just.. fun and content! Come on clubs, you can survive! Be Strong! Creative! Clever! If its beyond you.. well.. why????

That reminds me, I should run some training event things. Perhaps warbots! Yes, love those toys whatshisname created..

Er Cim, why does a bingo event cost YOU money to hold? Surely you're doing something wrong??

Now where are my teeth. This oldbie.. has to go do.. something old people do. Damn, memory failing as well :D
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Pirate Cotton
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02-17-2005 18:08
I hope you don't quote everything I say after I say it thought, we'll be there a really long time knowing how I ramble :D
Persephone Phoenix
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hehe Sorry for that
02-17-2005 18:21
I sneak in forum posting time when students take tests or do writing exercises and sometimes don't do a great job of being precise in the mechanics of responding to only a particular part of a quote. I will try to pay more attention to that. thanks!

From: Pirate Cotton
I hope you don't quote everything I say after I say it thought, we'll be there a really long time knowing how I ramble :D
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Pirate Cotton
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02-17-2005 18:23
You did it again!! :D
Marius Maelstrom
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02-20-2005 13:39
:: walks in, takes seat in comfy chair, sips cocoa, and puts his feet up to warm by the flames shooting from this thread :: MMMMMMM, toasty
Persephone Phoenix
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hehe OOO a natural born Scener!
02-21-2005 03:17
*thinks to herself, he likes drama and comfy chairs! a natural born Scener for the Sizzlin Scener's competitions!* (to Marius) You should come to our events at the Spa! It's all the heat of regular drama with half the headaches! *chuckles and jots down his name*

From: Marius Maelstrom
:: walks in, takes seat in comfy chair, sips cocoa, and puts his feet up to warm by the flames shooting from this thread :: MMMMMMM, toasty
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Marius Maelstrom
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02-21-2005 11:03
sure, Persephone, shoot me an IM in world, if I'm ever on when you are, my playing time has been reduced due to unforeseen circumstances, but always willing to meet new people. :)
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