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The Rampant Anti-Business Climate in SL

Biff Pendragon
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04-22-2005 07:04
From: Prokofy Neva
Wow, did I win Chip? Well, I wasn't trying to.
Your old signature included an tracking image on a server outside LL. Some have said that your purpose in the forums was to post rubbish many would respond to. They've said you've harvested IP addresses to determine alts and rl identities.

Is that correct? Do you still sell this information on a website? How can SL residents find out if you've compromised their privacy?
Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
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04-22-2005 07:30
Did you win? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Um, no.
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Enabran Templar
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04-22-2005 08:05
From: Prokofy Neva
There is no "infliction of strife, angery, and suffering" except the puncturing of some very, very big ego balloons.


Gotta disagree with you there, Prokofy. You can ride your high horse around lamenting everyone's sensitive feelings, but the truth is that even from an unbiased perspective, your posts are incredibly grating and unpleasant.

When I first started posting to the SL forums, before I knew anyone or had any preconceived notions, I read just one of your posts.

Just one.

My immediate, gut, first impression of you, sir, is unprintable.
Chip Midnight
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04-22-2005 08:42
Let's get one thing straight Prok. My decision to tune you out has nothing to do with any negative affect you have on my ego. Don't flatter yourself. It has everything to do with me finding what you have to say to be a complete waste of the minutes it takes to read your posts. Let me give you an analogy... if I never flushed my toilet my bathroom would stink. That wouldn't hurt my ego, it would offend my senses. I decided to flush.
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Prokofy Neva
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04-22-2005 09:28
From: someone
Your old signature included an tracking image on a server outside LL. Some have said that your purpose in the forums was to post rubbish many would respond to. They've said you've harvested IP addresses to determine alts and rl identities.

Is that correct? Do you still sell this information on a website? How can SL residents find out if you've compromised their privacy?


It's hard to know where to begin with all your gross slanderous bullshit, but let's give it a whirl. I never had any image on my signature, as distinct from my icon here, so I don't know WTF you are talking about.

1. If my profile in Second Life has a link to my blog and my blog on typepad.com has a link to I dunno, photobucket or something? Photobucket doesn't contain my RL identity or something. No way. My game e-mail is dyerbrookME@juno. That's my game e-mail from a previous game I took, from my previous TSO avatar, which I have linked clearly and unequivocally in numerous posts, comments on SL Herald, etc. so that's not a secret.

2. When some witless wonder said that my blog on typepad.com actually contained all these hotlinks to my RL information, I figured, well, maybe these brilliant tekkies know something I don't know? I'll take them at their word. One of the ways that people can get "outed" in a game like this is carelessly putting their pictures on a web server that is their own RL home or RL work webserver.

But I don't do that. I never have done it. Photobucket or tripod or those other free sites are obviously not "my RL servers".

And reluctant, as always, to take arrogant tekkies at their word, I went to study my typepad.com account every which way from Sunday.

And I see now what these brilliant tekkies were talking about. Somewhere if you click around enough you get the blog's "About Me". That "About Me" is about Prokofy Neva. It says he is a writer, and speaks Russian. Like...you had some difficulty understanding that Prokofy Neva is a WRITER ROFL???? That he speaks Russian? Huh? Like these were secrets?

3. But that information is NOT repeat NOT repeat NOT what Nolan Nash revealed here on the forums, and which all kinds of witches and google witch-hunters are cackling about now.

So try to understand these nuances.

4. Um, could you explain to me how I "harvest" RL identies and "track ISPs" from...my free site on photobucket or my paid public site on typepad. com? You are HILARIOUS. I don't "harvest RL identies" or "track ISPs" because I wouldn't know them if they bit me in the ass, I don't have the technical knowledge to track them.

5. You're an example of the "gossip" game in spades. What you must be referring to is my charge -- well supported by Cocoanut Koala and others! -- that the Second Life Herald (not me) tracks ISPs to filter out alts and gather information about RL identities. This used to be a real sport of Urizenus Sklar. I know he did it because sometimes when he'd answer my off-site e-mail, it would come back to me with my whole ISP numbers pasted right into the e-mail! Tsk tsk, Uri, hide the tracking better! I'm not sure Uri still tracks. But that Uri DID track is a matter of public record and not only my experience. They tracked to prevent spamming up of their forums with alts and fake personas not tied to any responsibility then toward their in-game persona. I believe they also tracked to perform investigative journalism and "out" various people they felt were griefers or trouble-makers in the game.

From various things I gathered, I began to realize SLH was doing that google witch-hunt that Christiano spoke about so eloquently. But unlike Nolan, they didn't publish my RL info, they don't stoop THAT low from what I've seen. They just like to have it to have power over other game players, that's all. Understood.

6. SLH also published a slanderous and hilarious piece about me which contain no truth in it (other than that yes, I had a Nubian princess avatar LOL). If you need a rebuttal of all their untruths, which they themselves recognize (they admitted it was a slow news day and they published tabloid tripe), I can provide it but you can find it in other threads here.

So, to reiterate, "Biff" I do not harvest or sell or compromise any SL resident's privacy. Indeed, I wouldn't be able to technically do this, and further more, it is a TOS violation. If you feel I've done that, you're welcome to use the same AR system I've used to report others who do this. You'll be grateful for the crystal-clear reading I've gotten from the Lindens on this matter: that ANY information NOT on the First Life Profile of any resident publicly dissseminated in the game or the forums constitutes a violation of that resident's privacy.

So, griefing effort interrupted once again, Biff, could you go back to building pulsating ugly grief towers again? Geez, I just saw one in the New Continent by this woman's really pretty sort of Persian-type build on the waterfront. Could you end those sorts of juvenile antics? Or are you going to report on an experiment for us?
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Prokofy Neva
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04-22-2005 09:41
From: someone
Gotta disagree with you there, Prokofy. You can ride your high horse around lamenting everyone's sensitive feelings, but the truth is that even from an unbiased perspective, your posts are incredibly grating and unpleasant.

When I first started posting to the SL forums, before I knew anyone or had any preconceived notions, I read just one of your posts.

Just one.

My immediate, gut, first impression of you, sir, is unprintable


You have to be incredibly grating and unpleasant to deal with this bunch. It's an incredibly grating and unpleasant bunch of its own. The arrogance and sense of self-importance, combined with the most witless thin-skinned hysteria, really is unparalleled on the Internet in most places.

I remember your first post in reaction to my post. It was the usual reactionary misinterpretation flipped out to somehow prove something about yourself rather than answer me. Indeed, as I google your name on our forums to see all your posts, I see what is so true of so many of you -- you aren't putting out your own ideas, you aren't taking the risks to try and fail or succeed, you are just replying to my ideas and my efforts to try and fail or succeed. I wonder if you'd get any posts under your belt if you didn't have me to reply to.

Go back to my innocent proffering of the idea of Midge, which Anshe eventually did, with my support (just in the forum of being a paying resident).

/130/e8/34329/1.html

This is where a number of souls, including Ardith Mifflin, began their hate campaigns of me, showing up in every thread to flame me.

The Midge thread is really a goldmine of information, I often study it because really, it is so truly wonderful for what it displays, gems like this, from Eggy Lippman:

From: someone
Prokofy, you're missing the point here.
We paid $250 for the right to own an unlimited amount of land for an unlimited amount of time and never spend a single dollar again.
Nowadays, we can have 4096 sq.m. to play with. Thing is, most of us feted inner core peeps had at least twice as much as that! Yes, we were feted back then too
Back then, anyone who mattered was involved with a themed sim project where they had to own 4096 sq.m. of land just to keep the theme alive, and then on top of that they had to own whatever they wanted for a house, and then something for a business, or whatever other project they had at the time. People also bought a lot of land to protect the landscape etc...
4096 is nothing! You know that, you own a sim!


Here's Enabran's brilliant mot:


Just an observation:

From: someone
Verbose, snarky ramblings about the dispicable, money-hungry nature of the people who you're trying to lead into a project probably aren't going to inspire their cooperation. The blessed proletariat doesn't usually up and buy a huge parcel of land is all I'm saying.


So much accomplished in so little, Enabran! 1) a claim that I'd ranted against "money-hungry" people when I hadn't at all, this was some Fig Newton of your imagination, nowhere to be found in the posts LOL (just like your other persistent meme that I was "a socialist" ROFL; 2) a claim that I was trying to lead people into a project when I wasn't, and posted the notice about the auction of Midge on the forums precisely in the hope that someone else would get it and work it; 3) a huge slam for me allegedly making myself out to be "the proletariat" and an extra slam on top of that for buying a sim on the auction. Geez. The hatred of commerce! So deed!

So Enabran, whatever unprintable thing you want to say about me, I shall not be moved. You make kewl robots. I will walk around them. :D
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-22-2005 09:52
From: Prokofy Neva
Here's Enabran's brilliant mot:
Just an observation:
etc.
It frustrates me when people remove the names from the top of quotes. I never know whose work I'm reading. Technically, can't one get in trouble for quoting the works of others without providing sources?

~Ulrika~
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Biff Pendragon
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04-22-2005 10:00
From: Prokofy Neva
It's hard to know where to begin with all your gross slanderous bullshit, but let's give it a whirl. I never had any image on my signature, as distinct from my icon here, so I don't know WTF you are talking about.
I agree. My earlier statement was completely untrue.

It sucks to have handful after handful of "gross slanderous bullshit" hurled at you, doesn't it?

Try having some empathy for your potential victims.

Thanks in advance.

biff
Prokofy Neva
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04-22-2005 10:24
From: someone
I agree. My earlier statement was completely untrue.


Thank you. I appreciate that. It's helpful when people are adult and admit that they are passing off rumours.

Now, could we go over the part again where I merely pass off rumours about you?

I said you had one of those pulsating boxes. Indeed, you do, just saw one. You've reduced them down from huge towers, and they don't spin, they pulsate, but they are in a hideous green and orange and really annoy people. We've established the facts of your small but ugly and pulsating box.

You've said any number of times that we "don't understand" you or that we are "labeling you unfairly as a griefer" or we're refusing to get that you are "conducting experiments."

Well, Biff, cut the poetry, show me the money. Did I mess the memo explaining just WTF you are doing with these builds? Care to explain?

Are you from the Society for Epileptic Victims, trying to see if pulsating lights in a game induce epileptic fits? With an aim, of course, in reducing epileptic fits in those who suffer from this condition.

Um...I'm out of ideas here. Could you help me out?
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Juro Kothari
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04-22-2005 11:25
From: Prokofy Neva
Um...I'm out of ideas here. Could you help me out?

Quit SL.


OK OK... a bit snarky... but the fruit was ripe for picking. ;)
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04-22-2005 11:28
From: Prokofy Neva
Thank you. I appreciate that. It's helpful when people are adult and admit that they are passing off rumours.



From: Prokofy Neva
Then somebody said your girlfriend or something is from TSO, and she has apparently filled you up with hateful tales about me, or she is an ex-balloon friend or something -- is this now ringing a bell? There's some kind of back-story. And I'm told that you're one of those few TSO people who have gotten the RL skinny and cooked up all the gossip there is to cook on this and purveyed it around, and allowed it to somehow fuel your hate and derision here.


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04-22-2005 11:34
From: Juro Kothari
Quit SL.


OK OK... a bit snarky... but the fruit was ripe for picking. ;)



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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



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~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
Juro Kothari
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04-22-2005 11:38
yay! what's my prize panda... i have a few ideas... ;) :D :D
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Weedy Herbst
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04-22-2005 11:43
From: Prokofy Neva
Thank you. I appreciate that. It's helpful when people are adult and admit that they are passing off rumours.


So....... this means you are willing to accept that you, lied about Nolan?.

Seems he got busted for posting RL info, yet you seem to accuse him of harrassment and stalking. No? I didnt think so. Rules for you and then there is your rules for everyone else.

Enter denial below, please use several paragraphs and abusive language, in lieu of accurate and civil discussion.
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04-22-2005 11:48
From: Juro Kothari
yay! what's my prize panda... i have a few ideas... ;) :D :D


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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
Eggy Lippmann
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04-22-2005 11:51
This thread is now about bananas:
Schwanson Schlegel
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04-22-2005 11:59
You guys are all nuts. :rolleyes:
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04-22-2005 12:03
This is a bunch of baloney!

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pandastrong Fairplay
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04-22-2005 12:03
From: Schwanson Schlegel
You guys are all nuts. :rolleyes:


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~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
Enabran Templar
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04-22-2005 12:16
Enter Jeska in 3... 2... 1...
Jeska Linden
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04-25-2005 16:01
This thread has seriously derailed, as such I'm going to close it. I encourage you all to take any serious SL-related discussion from this thread into another one :)
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