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Aimee Weber
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04-21-2005 13:53
From: Enabran Templar
Here is a mystery I have been pondering.

Prokofy Neva hates Linden Lab and its policies. Prokofy Neva hates a very small group of people who have been here for a very long time because he resents their being able to take advantage of a pretty sweet, short-term deal. Prokofy Neva hates anyone who disagrees with him. Prokofy Neva can never be seen speaking with satisfaction or enthusiasm, except when speaking in response to praise from one of his alts.

If this is such a miserable experience, why do you stay and make us miserable, Prokofy? Leave us alone, please. Many people are quite happy being happy and filing bug reports and asking questions when occasionally things don't go their way.

You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time complaining like a child about quite literally everything about this experience. You are loathed because your chief obsession is loathing. What possible benefit do you derive from this?


This one is easy. Misery likes company.
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Prokofy Neva
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04-21-2005 14:10
From: someone
Originally Posted by Enabran Templar
Here is a mystery I have been pondering.

Prokofy Neva hates Linden Lab and its policies. Prokofy Neva hates a very small group of people who have been here for a very long time because he resents their being able to take advantage of a pretty sweet, short-term deal. Prokofy Neva hates anyone who disagrees with him. Prokofy Neva can never be seen speaking with satisfaction or enthusiasm, except when speaking in response to praise from one of his alts.

If this is such a miserable experience, why do you stay and make us miserable, Prokofy? Leave us alone, please. Many people are quite happy being happy and filing bug reports and asking questions when occasionally things don't go their way.

You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time complaining like a child about quite literally everything about this experience. You are loathed because your chief obsession is loathing. What possible benefit do you derive from this?



This one is easy. Misery likes company.
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Could it be, because much of what Enabran writes is false? lol I think I answered all his falsehoods already in that other thread.
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Prokofy Neva
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04-21-2005 14:17
Oh, I thought this was from some other thread but it's THIS thread. It's just Enabran is sounding like a broken record!


From: someone
Here is a mystery I have been pondering.

Prokofy Neva hates Linden Lab and its policies.


Um, sweeping generalization, come in please? I hate their group land tools becuse they are pernicious and need fixing. I have very specific critiques about their bounce script policies or their event posting policy. I criticize ver specific things. I don't "hate" Linden Labs. Indeed, I give them a lot of money and that shows my respect for what they do.

From: someone
Prokofy Neva hates a very small group of people who have been here for a very long time because he resents their being able to take advantage of a pretty sweet, short-term deal.


I hate the attitudes and behavior of a small group of people. I'm glad you've been able to admit it's a small group, a select group and it is not "all old players" or "all creative people" or "all content barons" (not my term) like some of these other hysterics claims. I don't resent their deal, I resent their refusal to admit they have a deal. Learn the difference. I never hear them admit frankly, yeah, we got that deal, and here's what we've done with it, and here's how we give back to the community. I'm only aware of a single person with one of these sweetheart deals who has done anything for anything larger than himself.

From: someone
Prokofy Neva hates anyone who disagrees with him. Prokofy Neva can never be seen speaking with satisfaction or enthusiasm, except when speaking in response to praise from one of his alts.


Nope, I'm glad Philip praised renting and player-based zoning last night and said so, because it dispels this recurring urban legend that this is "illegal". I'm glad when I move in customers, get rent paid, get tier paid, move in more customers, keep them happy. They know me in the game and I know them, unlike you, and we're a happy bunch :D

From: someone

If this is such a miserable experience, why do you stay and make us miserable, Prokofy? Leave us alone, please. Many people are quite happy being happy and filing bug reports and asking questions when occasionally things don't go their way.

Oh, I see it as my job to make YOU miserable. Absolutely. Becuase you don't represent anything. You need to realize that, and step out of the way, and stop hindring everyone new who comes into the game with commerce, business, mass culture, and other things you "hate". Indeed, YOU are the haters!

From: someone
You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time complaining like a child about quite literally everything about this experience. You are loathed because your chief obsession is loathing. What possible benefit do you derive from this?


I stay on point like Johnny One-Note on my few main theses -- you know what they are. I do that here regularly and often -- it's a job that needs doing! That gives you an utterly distorted picture of what I do. Too bad! It's all been worth it!
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Enabran Templar
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04-21-2005 14:55
From: Prokofy Neva
I stay on point like Johnny One-Note on my few main theses -- you know what they are. I do that here regularly and often -- it's a job that needs doing! That gives you an utterly distorted picture of what I do. Too bad! It's all been worth it!


No.
Chip Midnight
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04-21-2005 15:17
From: Prokofy Neva
Um, sweeping generalization, come in please?


Unbelievably self-blind hyporcite, come in please? No one does sweeping generalizations like you Prokofy. You've made a career out of it, and 19 times out of 20 your characterizations are completely wrong, based on utterly false assumptions, poorly reasoned, and bloated with bias... not to mention condescending, paranoid, and blind.

From: someone
I hate their group land tools becuse they are pernicious and need fixing. I have very specific critiques about their bounce script policies or their event posting policy. I criticize ver specific things. I don't "hate" Linden Labs. Indeed, I give them a lot of money and that shows my respect for what they do.


And you show that respect how exactly? By trying to be the biggest dick you can possibly be?

From: someone
I hate the attitudes and behavior of a small group of people. I'm glad you've been able to admit it's a small group, a select group and it is not "all old players" or "all creative people" or "all content barons" (not my term) like some of these other hysterics claims.


There is not a single person in SL that has a worse attitude than you. You're right, it is a small group. It contains one Prokofy Neva & alts. People treat you the way you treat them only with considerably more logic and brevity.

From: someone
I don't resent their deal, I resent their refusal to admit they have a deal.


Bullshit. You resent the hell out of it or you wouldn't go on frothing about it and completely misrepresenting it. Who among us who got that deal doesn't admit it was a great bargain? How many times does Juro have to say it was a sweet deal before that counts as admitting it's a sweet deal for fuck's sake? Yes, it was a good deal. You still haven't told us what the hell your point is. You go right on ignoring every response and just continue raving away for no apparent reason other than to hear yourself talk. I've never seen anyone so in love with their own pointless opinions. I'm sorry you're so broken by the fact that you weren't here in time to get in on it that you have to write 8000 words a day on it. What an excellent use of your time!

From: someone
I never hear them admit frankly, yeah, we got that deal, and here's what we've done with it, and here's how we give back to the community. I'm only aware of a single person with one of these sweetheart deals who has done anything for anything larger than himself.


Hmmm, let's see... I pay $195 a month that I don't really need to pay because I believe in SL and want to support it. I run a new designers store where I give free display space to give exposure to up and coming designers. I've spent a few hundred hours creating custom clothing templates that are much easier to use than the LL supplied templates that I give away on the forums so that new people don't have to reinvent the wheel. I devote a lot of time to answering people's questions on the forums as do a very large number of your so-called elitists. I'm just one tiny example. There are hundreds of others. What exactly do you do for anything larger than yourself except daily poison the forums with your vowel movements?

From: someone
Nope, I'm glad Philip praised renting and player-based zoning last night and said so, because it dispels this recurring urban legend that this is "illegal". I'm glad when I move in customers, get rent paid, get tier paid, move in more customers, keep them happy. They know me in the game and I know them, unlike you, and we're a happy bunch :D


Nice way to make assumptions about someone's relationship with their customers of which you know absolutely nothing. What a clever way to say "neener neener." As for any urban legend that player based zoning is illegal, huh? Once again if you'd pull your head out of your ass you'd realize that the vast majority of people support players providing zoned communities for others who want them. What people don't want is to have zoning forced on them. They're completely seperate issues, a fact you're either too stupid to realize, or that you conveniently gloss over because it doesn't fit your diatribe.

From: someone
Oh, I see it as my job to make YOU miserable. Absolutely. Becuase you don't represent anything. You need to realize that, and step out of the way, and stop hindring everyone new who comes into the game with commerce, business, mass culture, and other things you "hate". Indeed, YOU are the haters!


The only thing hindering you is you, your insufferable ego, and your incredibly unpleasant attitude. No one's going to pat you on the back for being an asshole. Sorry.

From: someone
I stay on point like Johnny One-Note on my few main theses -- you know what they are. I do that here regularly and often -- it's a job that needs doing! That gives you an utterly distorted picture of what I do. Too bad! It's all been worth it!


A job that needs doing? hahahahaha. Please. Yeah, SL was truly lacking in the incessant incoherant pointless ranting department. We're so glad you showed up to fill that uber important role. Thanks so much for bringing all your pointless hatred to SL. Kudos to you sir! Kudos! :p
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Enabran Templar
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04-21-2005 15:29
Thank you for fisking that, Chip. I didn't have the energy. You've always been a favorite. :)

I don't have much to give you, but watch your inventory for your very own Templar siegeBot. Not that a clothing and skin designer needs a guided weapons platform avatar, but I hope ya like it. :D
Ingrid Ingersoll
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04-21-2005 15:49
From: Chip Midnight
What exactly do you do for anything larger than yourself except daily poison the forums with your vowel movements?



"vowel movements" :D
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blaze Spinnaker
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04-21-2005 15:58
Chip, he didn't attack anyone once in that post and you reply with a very strong verbal assault.

This is not the way, all it does is increase his power and influence - it doesn't decrease it.
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Chip Midnight
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04-21-2005 16:03
Your avatars completely rock Enebran. I'll use it with pride! :) If that rant wins me some abuse reports, I'll take them. I just can't take it anymore. Prokofy is now officially on ignore.
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Sezmra Svarog
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04-21-2005 17:51
From: Chip Midnight
I just can't take it anymore.


This, I can relate to.. and for some reason I feel like a burden's been lifted off my quiet, forum-lurking shoulders. ;)
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Artillo Fredericks
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04-21-2005 17:55
RUN Sezmra!!! Run far far away!!!!! :D
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Toy LaFollette
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04-21-2005 18:04
From: blaze Spinnaker
Chip, he didn't attack anyone once in that post and you reply with a very strong verbal assault.

This is not the way, all it does is increase his power and influence - it doesn't decrease it.

Power and influence??????????? OMG , LMFAO :)
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pandastrong Fairplay
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04-21-2005 18:16
From: Chip Midnight
Prokofy is now officially on ignore.


And then there were 5 :(


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Prokofy Neva
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04-21-2005 18:20
Vowel movement? Hheheh that's a funny one, never heard that.

Um, you and your 5 firends are feeling insulted again and blowing off about it? And that's supposed to worry me about my positioning in the "community"?

From: someone
You've made a career out of it, and 19 times out of 20 your characterizations are completely wrong, based on utterly false assumptions, poorly reasoned, and bloated with bias... not to mention condescending, paranoid, and blind.


I live for that one percent, Chip, I live for that one percent, bro', it's golden :D

Honestly, could you people *get over* yourselves?

I'm sure you do a lot of good with your skins and helping people and stuff Chip. Did you say you had that free 4096 to work off? Ok, I'm sure that helps a significant amount. Can you admit that? OK, I have 2 storiesnow.

Oh, this just in!!!!

INGRID, YOUR HOUSE RENTED!!!!!

You know that one? with the ugly porch that I made? And you redid the house and made the textures different? A newb rented it.

INGRID I TAKE IT BACK YOUR HOUSE RENTED!!!

I'll try not to spend my $350 all in one place LOL.
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Chip Midnight
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04-21-2005 18:44
I'm sorry, what was that Prok? I can't seem to hear you.

I'm a pretty level headed person and I like civil reasoned discussion. I don't mind if it's ascerbic or strongly opinionated as long as it's productive. The utter futility of trying to reason with an insane person has made me start to get mean, and I don't like it. I trust other people have enough intelligence to see that there's nothing behind Prokofy's bluster but poorly reasoned and highly exaggerated vitriolic nonsense. It's not worth the time to read. It's just the same song and dance ad nauseum. Prok can verbally masturbate himself to death without me :p
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Prokofy Neva
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04-21-2005 18:49
Wow, did I win Chip? Well, I wasn't trying to.

Yeah, then there were 5. Ingrid "Pre-Fab" Ingersoll. ROFL.

INGRID YOUR HOUSE JUST RENTED I TAKE IT ALL BACK!!!!

Well, not ALL of it....
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Ardith Mifflin
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04-21-2005 18:51
From: pandastrong Fairplay
And then there were 5 :(




You look like the Sub-Mariner, Panda.

You can do it!
Ardith Mifflin
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04-21-2005 18:57
Am I the only one who misses Ulrika's particular brand of political posts? They tended to be well-reasoned, well-spoken, and though-provoking. Though there were quite a few skirmishes, Ulrika at least maintained a modicum of propriety. Come back, Ulrika! I'll even support the idea of a player government if you deal with this problem.

Sincerely,
A.E. Mifflin.
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04-21-2005 18:58
From: pandastrong Fairplay
And then there were 5 :(

[piccie]

:eek: Ingrid's kinda handsome!
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04-21-2005 19:03
Ingrid is one sexy man! Woof! :D
Chip Midnight
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04-21-2005 19:11
From: Ardith Mifflin
Am I the only one who misses Ulrika's particular brand of political posts? They tended to be well-reasoned, well-spoken, and though-provoking. Though there were quite a few skirmishes, Ulrika at least maintained a modicum of propriety. Come back, Ulrika! I'll even support the idea of a player government if you deal with this problem.


Agreed! There are tons of things I disagree with Ulrika about, but I am always amazed at her ability to stay calm and not resort to ad hominems, no matter what gets thrown at her. And even when I disagree with her I always love her incredible logic skills and how amazingly articulate she is. And she's got a great sense of humor!

If I get the sense that anyone's actually starting to buy in to Prokofy's bullshit I'll take up the mantle again. Reading Prok's posts reminds me of the scene from A Christmas Story when the kid finally gets his Little Orphan Annie decoder ring in the mail and painstakingly decodes the secret message from the radio. After intense concentration and effort he looks up with an utterly cheated look on his face and says "Drink Ovaltine?!" lol. Too much effort for no payoff.
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Enabran Templar
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04-21-2005 19:17
From: Chip Midnight
If I get the sense that anyone's actually starting to buy in to Prokofy's bullshit I'll take up the mantle again.


I think the denseness of his prose pretty well prevents that threat from looming.
Siggy Romulus
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04-21-2005 19:17
Ingrid looks a lot like Steven Segal with a haircut..

.. that goes a long way to explaining why he runs that way....

Siggy.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-21-2005 22:47
From: pandastrong Fairplay
And then there were 5 :(
Ha ha! That was the greatest picture I've ever seen in the forums! Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game. :D

From: Ardith Mifflin
Am I the only one who misses Ulrika's particular brand of political posts? They tended to be well-reasoned, well-spoken, and though-provoking. Though there were quite a few skirmishes, Ulrika at least maintained a modicum of propriety. Come back, Ulrika! I'll even support the idea of a player government if you deal with this problem.

From: Chip Midnight
Agreed! There are tons of things I disagree with Ulrika about, but I am always amazed at her ability to stay calm and not resort to ad hominems, no matter what gets thrown at her. And even when I disagree with her I always love her incredible logic skills and how amazingly articulate she is. And she's got a great sense of humor!

Aw shucks. Had I known, that unleashing a mentally ill thesaurus-toting monster in the forums would have made you appreciate me, I would have done it months ago. ;)


*puts on serious face*

Although, if by solving the problem you mean handling the monster, there is only one way to do that -- by ignoring it. I admit that I am a recipient of the forbidden knowledge and I can say that there is nothing funny about it. This individual has caused nothing but misery to not just those in MMOGs but to [personal information deleted]. There is something really (I mean in actuallity) wrong with this lonely, angry, flawed person and I am convinced that these threads don't exist to argue a point but exist to feed a need for inflicting (and experiencing) strife, anger, and suffering.

There's having fun in a game and then there's being gamed for fun. Choose the former and avoid the latter.

~Ulrika~
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Prokofy Neva
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04-21-2005 23:06
From: someone
I admit that I am a recipient of the forbidden knowledge and I can say that there is nothing funny about it. This individual has caused nothing but misery to not just those in MMOGs but to [personal information deleted]. There is something really (I mean in actuallity) wrong with this lonely, angry, flawed person and I am convinced that these threads don't exist to argue a point but exist to feed a need for inflicting (and experiencing) strife, anger, and suffering.


What's all this crap about Ulrika?

Oh, recipient of "forbidden knowledge" about my RL info? Huh? Oh, yeah. Nolan is the gift that keeps on giving!

Um "caused misery in MMOGS" plural? WTF is that? OH, is that about Nolan's lunatic ravings to the effect that I "drove Will Wright out of TSO" and all that other SLH tripe? Honestly, you are all too funny!

Now misery to...to...WHOM? oh, the mods deleted the name? Damn, I missed that one. Care to IM that to me in game? I would love to hear WHO is claiming I cause misery to them, because I'll bet it's that same person who causes misery to ME? lol.

I have nothing wrong with me. I am not lonely, angry, or flawed. I make a critique on an entrenched group of people in a game who I believe harm the game with their behaviour and hinder the game from developing. Their response to that blow is to try to impugn my sanity or character. That's sick.

There is no "infliction of strife, angery, and suffering" except the puncturing of some very, very big ego balloons.
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