a Newbie with a Kid avvie

amazing tread, really amazing , it just prove me that some concepts are so deeply anchored in common peoples mind that any attemp to make a revision to it is considered as a reason to be beaten to death

amazing ^_^

OR,

Pedophilic images are really sick and people are reacting accordingly.

Ok Ok...

I have tried SO damn hard to keep outta this thread, but I would just like to point out just onnnnnnnnnne thing...

We are all sat here arguing amongst ourselves over what is right and wrong and the fact that adults 'should' be able to realise the line between fantasy and roleplay..

Yes adults SHOULD... but some, say for example, child raping maniacs, can't..

I see no problem with roleplay, if you know who you are roleplaying wif, but you don't know that your not boinging a paedophile, or a murderer, but then again, like Kris points out, you do not really know any of the faces behind any av's unless you know them in RL, then lets face it, you prolly don't know half your friends perversions either.

Its a sore subject, many different views, I hang around with alot of kid av's, many of those av's are 18/19 yr olds, I personally wouldn't/couldn't act like a kid myself in game, but they are nice people, they don't engage in anything weird (as far as I know ), and we generally just have a laugh, but I think I would freak out if someone started coming onto them, its just plain odd... I DON'T KNOW!! I have confused even myself now..

Meh... I'll sod off again....

<<Its amazing, I make one post about it and it's blown up to the point where people want to quit.>>

It's ok Zoe.

You could have posted about how nice it was to see the flowers in spring, and you'd have ended up with a similar response.

On these forums it now seems to be impossible for people to have a rational debate about anything.

We are talking about basic sexual preferences here. One who has a sexual preference for children is a pedophile. This preference can be "fed" through fantasy. Fantasy can lead up to real life behaviour. We have seen this in sexual crimes. Anything that feeds fantasy about sex with children is dangerous and increases the risk that some action will be taken in real life.

Children are so vulnerable.. smaller, weaker, if young enough cannot express themselves verbally to "tell," and they are easily intimidated into not telling. They often feel they are to blame for what has happened to them. Great psychological harm is done. We need to everything and anything we can do to protect them from this kind of abuse.

I was approached by a female child AV once holding a teddy bear. I bluntly told her that I was not attracted to women (I am not homophobic and don't have a problem with that), but even if I were, I would find her child AV to be a sexual turn off, not turn on.

I am glad people are talking about this here. It is very disturbing to me seeing child AVs behaving in a sexual way. Child AVs behaving in a non-sexual way do not trouble or disturb me.

Perhaps what we need to do when we are approached sexually by a child AV is to tell them bluntly it is a turn off, and perhaps they will abandon the child AV for an adult one for sexual behaviour in the game if they receive enough negative feedback.

There is my two cents worth.

i can't wait to see this on law&ordervu.

satine, you made a very good point. i also don't believe it is benign for a pedophile to play out scenarios in their mind or to roleplay such fantasies.

What's the alternative? Jail people who are attracted to child, on the basis they _may_ do something at one point?

With that reasoning, the sky is the limit ; that remind me of the "violence gene" supposedly present in black people. In your dream society, we'd jail all of them to prevent further crime (after all, it would be scientifically proved they are subject to becoming violent). Way to boost the economy too with all that free labor force.

Add a generous drop of religion in the state and next thing you know, catholics muslims and budhists would join them behind bars (they worship satan).

Such a beautiful society it would be. Land of the free (as long as you are not a deviant).

Yes the concept of an adult fucking a child is deeply anchored in most normal peoples mind as being wrong. Pretending you are fucking a child is too. Looking at pictures drawn in the cool anime style of men with little boys is wrong too.... Watch the news every night for a week and tell me how many children come up murdered raped and or missing.....this kinda shit is just fuel for that fire.

In this case there is nothing rational about the original posters post or responces.

So, where do you draw the line? downloading child porn, reading japanese romantic literature, touching a child, or do they have to be full throttle fucking?

Anyone that has a sexual interest in children is sick.....now I guess you'll tell me its natural and it never hurt anyone.

This thread reminds me of when Michael Jackson went on National TV and did his bit on Neverland and the children who slept there with him. He was trying to convince the world that his love for children was pure and innocent and he was doing nothing wrong. He came on national TV seeking approval in a sense. In his twisted mind he wanted acceptance. Well the nation didnt buy it.

They didnt buy it on TV like most in the forums arent buying it in SL.

If it looks like a pedaphile, walks like a pedaphile, talks like a pedaphile, acts like a pedaphile, then. . .

Then it's a witch ! Burn the witch !!

. . . buy it's latest album!

I hate to even post this, but the thought police shit is just crazy.



You draw the line when a crime has been commited. Duh! As has been posted before, thinking about killing someone doesn't make you a murder. By law, a murderer is someone who kills people, not someone who thinks about killing people. Likewise a paedophile(sp?) is someone who has sex with children, not someone who thinks about it.

It's thinking like this that is the reason that 'The Land Of The Free' has more people per capita in prison up than any other nation in the world. That means more than China, and more than Russia.

You can't control your thoughts... they just happen. If you are smart, you listen to the voice in your head that says 'bad idea!'. If you don't listen to that voice, then maybe you need to punished. But at least give that voice the chance to speak before we make criminals out of people.

By Talens definition, anyone who reads this thread is a paedophile... and that's just dumb.

That is not what I said....perhaps you should re-read the thread. You may want to go back and read what the definition of a pedophile is as well....it is not just the act of sex which defines them. So, you think its dumb of me to be intolerent of people who fantasize about having pretend sex with children and who find animations depicting it romantic.....I don't particularly care what you or anyone else thinks....

In sex offender treatment, part of what they do is to get the pedophile to practise fantasizing about age appropriate adults.. reinforcing and trying to build an appropriate sexual attraction. Another thing they do is sometimes use aversive stimuli (unpleasant smell or mild shock) paired with inappropriate sexual stimuli (pics of kids) to try to break that attraction pattern. To act out fantasies with child AV in SL would only serve to reinforce and make stronger their inappropriate sexual reaction to children, making it more likely to translate into behaviour in real life.

Please people, do not make sexually active child AVs for sexual activity.. you know not what you are playing with, who that other person really may be, or what that person may or may not do in real life. Do you really want to contribute to the abuse and possible death of a rl child? Even if the chance is miniscule... that risk should not be taken.

Please tell child AVs who approach you sexually how repugnant and offensive their AV is to you... perhaps with enough negative feedback they will use a different adult skin for their sexual behaviour.

You should also know that the success rate for the treatment of pedophiles is small.

Talen, i'd give it up. There's some people here who will never see anything wrong with it no matter what you say and there's no way you'll change their minds. Most of us have expressed our revulsion at it and if this community does become associated with this behaviour through the media or whatever, then us and Linden Labs will probably suffer

Repeating my offer from page 7:

I'll give L$5000 to the first person to show me any reputable research or statistics which conclusively prove that people who act out fantasies with other consenting adults in private are more likely to molest, rape, or otherwise abuse children. I've seen arguments presented in this thread which hinge on this, and at least one person has asserted that it is true, so someone should be able to prove it, right?

The book The Kinsey Institute New Report on Sex: What You Must Know to Be Sexually Literate says on page 91:




That's interesting.

I think folks forgot the basic moral principle here.

"You cannot allow others to harm you and you cannot harm others."

Therefore,

It is moral to do consentual acts with another adult. Ageplay is consentual, period.

Now if that person tries to approach a real kid irl, they better expect mommy or daddy turning them into street pizza inversely because CHILDREN ARE NOT AUTOMOUS BEINGS AND THEREFORE CANNOT CONSENT.

Adult == Automous Being with the capacity of CONSENT

Child == Non-automous Being WITHOUT the capacity of CONSENT

I wish some of you folks would study a bit of philosophy before imposing a value on others that pretty much is equally immoral as the immoral act you think that value represents. It wouldn't matter if even one ageplayer was a pedophile, why? Because that person in question is in control of his actions. You cannot demand of others to control or be responsible for another's LONE act. It seems that emotivism is the prevailing view here... But oh well.

-- Bridget

hey taste isnt universal, some of these oh so blamed japanese arts about childs are definitely cute

so why in sl it couldnt be?

Is it ok that I'm sexually attracted to Zoe for making this thread, though not for her AV?

There was an avatar in SL that sold those cute pics......he got banned for it as well......wonder why when they are so cute and all.

As far as I'm aware, no action was ever taken against that player, Talen, assuming you are refering to the one posted about previously here.