a Newbie with a Kid avvie

I guess that's where the difference is. I see it as being harmful because it encourages the perception of kids as sexual beings. Allowing what amounts to child porn, and the representation of it in SL, is reprehensible in my opinion.

This was exactly what set me off earlier in the day. It isn't the fact two adults are dressing up as children as it was tried to be changed around. It is the fact that they are taking the look of a child in order to imply they are having sex with children that got me so angry. I can't imagine how people can defend and try to justify this action? Physical or not, hurting a child or not , having sex with someone because you are aroused they look like a child is just not cool to say the least.

Let me get a picture of your young son or daughter and make an AV that looks exactly like them to have sex with. It really turns me on .. its virtual and I'm not really having sex with them so it doesn't matter. Is this okay to everyone? Hey if I can't perform the action in real life maybe I can get off in SL to a representation of the real thing.

Sick stuff

What about children who are, say...6 or 7?

But you see it harmful because it encourages the perception of kids as sexual beings, and so I would again say, the mere act of roleplaying harms no one if done between consenting adults. If someone were to actually sexually assault a child, or abuse a child in anyway, that would indeed be a horrible thing. But the act of roleplaying doesn't do that. Look at common perceptions within our culture. "Sugar Daddy", "I'm a Bad Girl", "Naughty Catholic School Girls", etc..

Though these may not encourage sexual relations with very young children, they certain encourage the view of Young is Sexy. How many ladies in SL wear skimpy and revealing catholic school girl outfits from time to time? I sure see alot of them. Doesn't that encrouage sex with minors in your view?

If someone keeps thier fantasies between consenting adults, or in thier own head, then it is purely thier business and doesn't harm anyone.

6 or 7 year olds are not sexually attractive to people with normal sexual urges.

People who are 14, 15, 16.... people that age definitely ARE attractive to people with normal sexual urges. Anyone who says otherwise is just saying that so other people don't call them a freak. The most charitable thing I can say about that is that it's a cultural influence. One that goes against nature even. I don't really have a very high opinion of anything people do just because other people do it. Especially in the States, cuz the popular view of sex is so screwed up.

That's my 2 cents. This thread is kind of long for my attention span, so I'm not sure how old the 'girl'... who finds it 'romantic' to see men with boys (that's second hand, I didn't actually read that post... did she really say that??!??!?! I wasn't aware that those kinds of relationships had anything to do with romance)... I'm not sure how old the child she pretends to be is, but as for my own opinion, there is definitely a difference. I think sex with anyone under, say, 13 or 14... fantasy or otherwise, is distasteful to me, at least.

Any adult who fantisizes about sex with children, wether he uses RL child porn, amine images, or an adult in a child av is a pedophile. They can deny it all they want, and most will for obvious reasons, but they are STILL a pedophile. No non-pedophilic adults would consider this kind of sexual role-playing because there would be no attraction for them. Sp I guess this thread has exposed (no pun intended) some of SLs grosser perverts.

To me that would certainly seem to be abnormal, but again, if it's kept between consenting adults in private, it's not for me to dictate what they roleplay.

You can label them all you want, but because I may think about killing someone doesn't make me a murderer.

I can undertand the outrage, and the thought of any kind of actual abuse of a child pisses me off in the extrreme and makes me feel sick to my stomach. However, dictating what is shared between consenting adults is not my right, nor is it yours. And frankly, I've thought about hundreds of things at one time or another that will never happen in actual reality, (and no..not sex with children), whether by my own choice/judgement, or because of the impossibility of the situation. I might roleplay a rape with a willing partner..but would that make me a rapist? It's ridiculous to think that anything that we think about makes us guilty of the crime..

Many. many women have rape fantasies...does that mean they want to be raped in real life? Sorry..that just isn't so.

Part of the problem is everyone has sexual fantasies....and most people would like those fantasies to come true. I think I'm pretty normal ...I have sexual fantasies and I have had some come to fruition....there are still others I would like to happen

Every adult has fantasies and would like one or more to come true. Do you really think an adult who has sexual fantasies about children wouldn't want to act on it if the opportunity presented itself?

Most adults don't live out these fantasies because they wait for that opportunity to happen...some seek them out.....why would I believe that someone that has fantasies about children would be any different?

I guess I must be the exception to the rule, then. There's stuff wandering around in my brain that I'd never, ever want to see IRL. Then again, I daresay I'm not remotely 'normal', so...

Youre not normal? Then we must burn you as a witch, sorry. Stand by to be tied to a steak.

OMG I love steak! *volunteers!*

Edit: No, steak is not involved in any of my sexual fantasies.

I think the impetus of the argument shouldn't be is Zoe immoral or amoral in any regard the impetus should be is the action of pretending immoral or ammoral? I think the basic format answer is no. Why? Because the reality is that roleplaying is going on all the time. And I don't mean some goths playing around or kids doin GURPS in their backyard. I mean at the office or in church, and even at the funeral. Humans are contextual critters, if we weren't then we would be trying to apply calculus to bathing habits. In the context of SL and what Zoe is doing in and of itself isn't immoral for the simple reason that Zoe in real life claims to be an adult and we can assume those whom he roleplays with are also adults. Adults whether they pretend to be a vicar doing a nun or pretending to be little kids doing adult things doesn't infer actual harm. Harm is when you actually grab a kid and do the most deprave things in the human imagination to that kid but Zoe ISN'T a kid therefore no harm. And Zoe does it by VOLITION.

Morals in regard to his behavior have no meaning whatsoever. The action is by default amoral[without moral context] and not immoral. Immoral acts follow a simple premise: To harm and sacrafice others for your intentions[wants/needs/etc]. Or to paraphrase Ayn Rand, "Do not sacrafice yourself to others and do not sacrafice others to yourself..."

Peace...

-- Bridget

I am NOT saying that 2 consenting adults roleplaying adult/child sexual encounters is any of my business. It isn't. All I am saying is at least ONE of those adults is a perve...err pedophile. And I am specifically referring to pre-teens here.

Zoe, I hope you take robin's warning (and that's what it is) to heart, and seek counseling for your Child Avie issues. Please don't buy anything from me, EVER. If I find your name in my transaction history, every dime you spend will go to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Again, I believe many. many people have sexual thoughts and fantasies that they in NO WAy would like to happen in real life. That's one of the reasons they are fantasies and not just goals or ambitions. I would even venture to guess that thoughts have crossed your mind that you wouldn't follow up on in real life if the opportunity presented itself. Of course I can't speak for everyone, but I know many of my darkest or most shocking thoughts will forever remain in my head.

Its amazing how my replies to posts go ignored. You continue to talk about me "don't buy anything from me" "don't come to my sim" but you have not seen the other posts.

I am not a child avvie prostitute. I made a half-joking comment that as a kid avvie I could charge what I want for activities. I was told there was an article about it. I came to the forums looking for that article and a fresh perspective on the subject. At no point in time have I ever, nor do I believe I will, sell my avvie for those services.

A point was made by other people that if I said my avvie was a fairy or an elf 500yrs old that "looked" like a child it would be okay because my avvie is not a human child, its an adult elf or whatever. You know as well as I that would be a cop-out and anyone who wanted to have sim-sex with my avvie is using it for what it looks like, a child.

Some one else said they go to mature clubs with their child-looking avvie dressed in leather bondage. I was told on this forum that what I suggested was utterly depraved but this "leather bondage" situation was okay. What does a child-like avvie do in leather bondage at mature club with sex dungeons? They must be there for re-runs of Barney. No, I don't think so. This is another cop-out.

I shouldn't have discussed my personal preference in manga. That was a bad decision. However I am not creating the stuff, nor am I the sole audience member so you must understand, not condone, but understand that there are people out there who find the manga I like to read enjoyable for their own reasons. I am not a symbol for all yaoi readers, I was giving an example of how else this situation it is depicted out of the game and possibly in-game.

I have made numerous posts in my regard to how I feel about real children, please read them. There is no way to prove that I'm telling the truth but not once have I lied here, I have been open and calm.

Its amazing, I make one post about it and it's blown up to the point where people want to quit. Did you read the article in the SL Herald? That person was doing a business... with costomers! I made an off-shoot comment. I don't have a huge billboard advertising my kid avvie stuck to my head, I would most likely never have sim-sex with my avvie. I can't say for sure when you realize just how many alternatives there are in SL. The sex business in SL is the most profitable industry.

After all this, I have changed my avvie's description. No longer a human child but a fallen cherub, denied access to paradise, a millenia old, stuck on the SL earth until a miracle comes along. But I still look like a kid. But now it should be okay because I'm not technically a kid avvie anymore? Lip service and two cornered mouths...

You still condone it in your OP.

Ageplay perpetrates pedophilia.
Bondage perpetrates rape.
Furry-AV sex perpetrates bestiality.
Playing video games perpetrates murder.

Yes, all of that does make sense now. How did I not see the light?

See sig.

Hey! Being the fallen cherub is MY gig! Get your own!

You got one out of 4. Not bad.

Now, now, Trollecular. You aren't listening. I didn't say ageplay perpetuates pedophilia. I said any adult who fantasizes having sex with a child is ALREADY a pedophile.

I'm not responding to you, Devilin. I'm responding to Ingrid. Ingrid states that pretending to do something perpetrates the actual act. Your statement I have no issue with.

What Camille said like a dozen pages ago was correct, and Robin's quote about rules regarding this are the example of this in SL's rules -

Any image / representation of child pornography is illegal.

What's up for debate is where the line is drawn between having an adult AV that looks like a kid, and having a kid AV outright. However, if you're going around SAYING you're a child, that seems to me to be clearly on the ... um ... illegal side.

So, uh, stop please.

Thats okay, I just wanted the opportunity to call you Trollecular, I think it has a ring to it.