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Snowcrash Hoffman
Digital mind virus
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 282
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08-22-2005 23:05
Everyone has a valid voice - even a critical one, no matter what their "contributions" to Sl. You don't have to measure up to some bar of philantropy to be worthwhile in SL, or be able to post your thoughts. We all contribute to the community - we are the community. Thanks Cris. Let's leave this thread at this positive note. |
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Euterpe Roo
The millionth monkey
Join date: 24 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,395
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08-22-2005 23:07
MASS SUFFERAGE!!! kk. I am a nOOb, but I know enough to value your 'ass-etts.' But do you have to bring voting rights into this? (Or, are you saying that everyone should vote? In that case, I support your ass. Otherwise, your ass is on its own.)  _____________________
"Of course, you'd also have to mention . . . furries, Sith Lords, cyberpunks, glowing balls of gaseous neon fumes, and walking foodstuffs" --Cory Edo
“One man developed a romantic attachment to a tractor, even giving it a name and writing poetry in its honor." MSN "  next week: the .5m torus of "I ate a yummy sandwich and I'm sleepy now" " Desmond Shang |
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Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,220
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08-22-2005 23:12
So Seth are you asking to be outed?  Outed? Interesting choice of words. As whom or what? "Out" away if you like. As far as I know, I've never spoken with kkM, and yet she believes that "more than most" I understand the value of anonymity and discretion. Backhanded rhetoric, or a mistaken idea? Clarify.  |
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,489
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08-22-2005 23:35
Please tell everyone on these forums exactly what you mean when you say that I understand "the value of discretion and anonymity...more than most". I want to make sure no one mistakes your meaning, myself included. I am too disinterested to take that bait...really. You understood my point and if you want to enlighten others, then go for it. As I said, in most cases such discussions aren't worth much, and the better part of discretion is to leave it alone or deal with it privately. Of that, I am "certain". I think its offensive for members to criticize the efforts of other members who bring positive content to SL when the crtitics may bring nothing more than their attacks or noxious gases. Yeah, it pisses me off. Is that divisive? Maybe, but I think its time to speak up about this even though it means having mud slung at me by the mud slingers. That part is not as important as addressing the unsolicited nastiness (emphasis on unsolicited.) _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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08-23-2005 00:15
I know you enjoy disagreeing with me, Cocoanut, but I fail to see where I said what you're suggesting. I never said we all need to drop everything and help newbies. I only said that someone who would refuse to help a newbie is a dick and anyone who would render help when asked is decent. My point is that helping a newbie isn't selfless -- it's acceptance of your responsibility to be a good citizen. On what scale you practice it is up to you. Unless you disagree with me that it would be improper to brush off a newbie who asked you, Cocoanut, how to tweak one's graphics settings to something more usable? As for people who help newbies "as their thing," that's a pretty damn fun thing to do. Blowing someone's mind is really rewarding and it's great to see someone fresh off the boat inspired to go create great wonders. Infinitely rewarding, not at all selfless, though an awesome contribution to the community. Where's the disagreement again? Probably isn't much of a disagreement. I was just thinking that the newbie helpers are a breed of their own, with a skill set not easily emulated by just everybody, and content providers as well, in that they help provide the PEOPLE content we need, lol. Maybe you think of it as a pretty fun thing to do because you ARE one of those people for whom it is their thing, and maybe just don't recognize that it makes you rather special, and different from what the average player might do. coco _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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08-23-2005 00:18
Anyone who can beat an accomplishment like Snapzilla want to step up and refute Cristiano's last post? Any takers? Me, me!!! ... of course. I don't think the thread was INTENDED to be a celebration of achievements. I think it was intended to be a gripe. I read it as a gripe thread, and responded to it in the same vein. coco P.S. No, nobody should ever be coerced into naming names. It not only isn't necessary in order to discuss the perceived problem at hand, it's an invitation to break the TOS and be disciplined for doing so. P.S. Sorry, I didn't see the part about "beat an achievement like Cristiano's." Oh well, you got my opinion anyway, lol. _____________________
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,489
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08-23-2005 01:52
Me, me!!! ... of course. I don't think the thread was INTENDED to be a celebration of achievements. I think it was intended to be a gripe. I never denied or hid my gripe, in fact I detailed it several times. But I offer my gripe in the context of why not praise those who do contribute so much to make SL great, rather than criticize them for the hell of it, or out of jealousy. I still cant understand anyone's complaint with that premise. _____________________
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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08-23-2005 02:38
I don't contribute shit. Because I don't need to. Because I pay to play, just like lots of other games. I don't owe anyone fucking anything, including being part of your so called community.
And as an added bonus, what I paid covers the cost of me bitching in the forums for life. yay! _____________________
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,489
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08-23-2005 03:34
I don't contribute shit. _____________________
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Willow Zander
Having Blahgasms
Join date: 22 May 2004
Posts: 9,935
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08-23-2005 03:37
I added the word SLOOT into your vocabulary, oh, and I provide some amusement... and a mall, and um, some shit content.
GO ME! _____________________
*I'm not ready for the world outside...I keep pretending, but I just can't hide...* <3 Giddeon's <3 |
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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08-23-2005 03:37
Rubber dog shit - a generic term for anything I make - usually for other ppl - usually scripted - before being named properly.
hence you will oft hear of my being chained to the lab making 'rubber dog shit' _____________________
The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals.
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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08-23-2005 03:42
Ahh come on, yours was one of the very first island sims with an amazing build that no one who ever saw it will forget. That was like a hundred million years ago in SL terms. Even I'd forgotten  Ok. So I had the one lapse - but since then I havent contributed shit! Honest! |
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Richie Waves
Predictable
Join date: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 1,424
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08-23-2005 04:22
I gave a nooby 50 linden...then he triple rated me...er so um...nothing!
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
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08-23-2005 04:23
Hmm? Well lemme think. Aha!
Dirty diapers. And according to some: Moobs a.k.a. manboobs. _____________________
I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
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Selador Cellardoor
Registered User
Join date: 16 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,082
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08-23-2005 04:34
That was like a hundred million years ago in SL terms. Even I'd forgotten Ok. So I had the one lapse - but since then I havent contributed shit! Honest! Sorry, Kris, that was more than enough to put you in the top rank of achievers. You can't get out of it! _____________________
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Garnet Psaltery
Walking on the Moon
Join date: 12 Apr 2005
Posts: 913
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08-23-2005 04:41
I guess I've not brought anything. :/ Phoo, and I was in such a good mood today.  ... Though I sell birds cuz I love birds. Not cuz I want to make a dollar on them... if that means anything at all these days. Quwark! I have your sister raven and beautiful she is too As for me, well, I build things and try to make any bit of land I buy more lovely, even if it's just for reselling, and I'm usually helpful, I think. |
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Ace Cassidy
Resident Bohemian
Join date: 5 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,228
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08-23-2005 04:43
1) Iraqi War Memorial
2) A stint as a thankless Live Helper - Ace _____________________
"Free your mind, and your ass will follow" - George Clinton
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Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,220
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08-23-2005 05:00
I am too disinterested to take that bait...really. You understood my point and if you want to enlighten others, then go for it. heh, you can't have it both ways - you were interested enough to give a deflecting, disingenuous reply to a valid point. So who was baiting who and who responded with a "go for it" first? Actually, I'm not sure to which of the a half dozen people I'm supposed to be an alt of you were referring to. I'd guess either one of two perennial favorites, or a new suggestion that I've found really bizarre and funny. *shrugs. Brinkmanship and empty threats of "outing" are not substitutes for a good argument. |
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Cory Edo
is on a 7 second delay
Join date: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,851
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08-23-2005 06:32
i wish that was my post  This post is merely symptomatic of our post-modern ennui! |
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Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,372
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08-23-2005 06:52
Anyone who can beat an accomplishment like Snapzilla want to step up and refute Cristiano's last post? Any takers? Based on what Cris stated, we shouldn't have to. _____________________
*hugs everyone*
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
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08-23-2005 07:02
"Well, that's a hell of an act, what do you call it?"
"The aristocrats." _____________________
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
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08-23-2005 07:11
 This works on so many levels. _____________________
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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08-23-2005 07:12
Please refrain from personally attacking those you don't agree with in the forums. If you have a personal disagreement with someone, please consider taking it to a more appropriate medium, including in-world chat, private messages, or forum IM.  |
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
Posts: 6,734
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08-23-2005 07:15
1) Iraqi War Memorial 2) A stint as a thankless Live Helper - Ace Don't forget the Tribal Drums and teh Acid Chair !! Me, I hosted the Tribal Drums for a bit and had a blast and made some great friends. Oh yeah, I was/am a Live Helper although I haven't had the tag on in a while. *note to self* _____________________
YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net '
Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible. Bikers have more fun than people ! |
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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08-23-2005 10:22
I never denied or hid my gripe, in fact I detailed it several times. But I offer my gripe in the context of why not praise those who do contribute so much to make SL great, rather than criticize them for the hell of it, or out of jealousy. I still cant understand anyone's complaint with that premise. I don't see why you can't understand complaints about the premise. By your definition, it is fine for me, or you, or anyone else who has vaguely contributed to SL society to criticize someone, but if you haven't donated x amount of time/money, then shut up. Your gripe states very clearly that those who do not contribute do not have a right to complain - so those who contribute do? Would you have been any less upset if an established player who fits your contribution criteria ripped some project to shreds that you liked? I agree that there are some people in these forums who like to simply tear things down - though I don't see it nearly as much as I used to. Do I see negative comments? Certainly. Is the criticism warranted? That is in the eye of the beholder. I have just as much of a problem with the attitude your post conveys as I do with unwarranted criticism. _____________________
Cristiano
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