Rant: About respect of other people's effort and people that can't mind own business.

btw, because it's kinda fun and supports my comment on why I'm in SL, here's an image posted by a toy company that I helped out. The original file appeared to be a videogame model (they didn't tell me from whom they got it, but it looks familiar) and they wanted to get the data into CAD... to make the geometry "solid". I showed them how (I also cut off the top of his head and added the monocle).

http://www.polymerpudding.com/Picture-3.jpg

Also, if you take a look at Wired Senior editor Chris Anderson's blog you'll find an entry about a "Rocket Launcher". That would be my screenshot. Just so there's no thinking I'm full of hot air. And if you're unaware of the "Long Tail" and why it's potentially of huge importance to SL, I'd suggest reading the original article on Wired online.

Such a nasty, angry attitude. It's not impressive behavior.

So you choose not to create because it's hard, yet you choose to un-create because it's easy.


Because obviously it affects me when people can seek to legitimize their malicious behavior through a charade of legal discussion, and especially from the cowardly shadows of an anonymous abuse report.

Good thing I'm not here to impress you!

As a creator myself, I resent your childish attitude. Remarking that your position is not legally tenable is not "un-creating," it's a statement of common sense. If you didn't want to deal with this sort of discussion, you ought not have set about creating derivative works of someone else's intellectual property.

Personally, I don't begrudge you your business. My hat's off to you for as long as you get away with it, because I don't think the problem is a huge one for the companies involved. From a legal standpoint, though, I think it's plainly obvious that the practice is not defensible and to declare anything otherwise is to loudly proclaim a significant ignorance. I don't take issue with your business. I do take issue with your rank hostility and ignorance of the facts.

When those "remarks" come in the form of derogatory and hyperbolic accusations? What other purpose would you expect me to believe these "remarks" have? Do you expect me to believe this logorrhea is happening for my own good? Do you expect me to believe whoever set out to screw with Shiryu's business was doing it for his own good? Do you fancy yourself a crusader for setting out to legally right what once went wrong?


What is your purpose, then, in pandering to the vocal minority on this? Is it just your smug assumption that I'm ignorant, or is there more going on here?

Personally, my only problem is your attitude. I really don't care about your business or its legality. You're being hostile and combative about a situation that you brought upon yourself, and that's annoying. I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I think you, individually, are going to need to learn a little humility.

Me, I like to smugly assume everyone is ignorant.

Post #281 in this thread, I'm cool.

If you "don't have a dog in this hunt" and you are supposedly the very model of humility, then why are you still here?

Because your demeanor is like a car accident. What can I say, I'm human.

Good lookin' out, brotherman!

So, for you, sitting on the sidelines and heckling is grown-up behavior, while my anger at an infraction committed against Shiryu (that could very well have been committed against me) is childish, I need an attitude adjustment and - oh - I have a bad "image" too. Is that all?

Close. You forgot the bit about accountability. Other than that, you've more or less covered it.

Can I get banned for saying you're full of shit?

"Childish" is complaining and crying foul when you get called on doing something illegal and have to own up to the consequences, yes.

To take an example, music piracy. I don't report my friends to the RIAA because they download music any more than I personally report trademark violations... But if one of them recieved one of the RIAAs fun lawsuits aimed at them, ya know, I would have to say "Suck it up, you have no one to blame but yourself.". And that's the problem here, to my eyes...

You can say it doesn't matter if you want, but your wrong. You can say nobody cares if you want, but your wrong. You can say you have ever right to profit from someone elses hard work if you want, but your wrong. And you can say that we are the ones in the wrong if you like for not feeling as you do, but your wrong.

But what I've yet to hear, out and out, is a simple admission, to the effect of:

"Yes, I'm doing something illegal, I'm profiting off someone else's hard work, and when it comes to pass that I get called on it, I'll take what I've earned without complaint."

No, on the contrary... All we get are evasions on the issue of legality, a sense of entitlement in regards to profiting off others, and a "how dare you" attitude with regards to - heaven forfend - actually owning up to your own mistakes. You want all the good that comes with your descision to ignore law and terms of service, and you want to avoid all the risk and hardship that it can entail.

And THAT, Cereal, is what I call childish.

Probably not. I won't report you, anyway. Besides, you're punishing yourself enough with your conduct.

No. Please read my original posts more carefully (I replied to a poorly worded question of yours assuming you were using "create" in the business sense since you quoted my business quote in your post ). Here's my earlier response/comment in this regard.

"I've not bothered trying to sell anything yet because I'm not sure SL is worth all THAT effort... I'd very much like to see your CAD files for generating the realistic textures you're using. Please post screenshots of the original CAD"

So at the risk of sounding like a broken record because you apparently didn't grasp my comments the first time: I choose to not start an SL business at this time (that's the part where I say "not... sell anything" because the effort to do it in the manner I would choose (detailed earlier) does not currently make sense given the economic environment. It's simple ROI. However, I do in fact create and no where do I say otherwise.

btw, can we expect to see some screencaps of Toyota interiors soon?



So you raise a thread that was effectively dead to resume an argument over your supposed right to trample on other people's intellectual property in violation of the ToS? and then go off on the Linden who only partially enforces the policy? Excuse me for being utterly baffled by this tactic.

Rei wins at the forums. My thoughts exactly.

Submitting an AR upon which a Linden partially enforces the ToS is suddenly an "infraction". Wow.

Agreed.

I won this thread YEARS ago!

Just for exposition purposes, let's break this statement down.

"Getting called on doing something illegal" is how you choose to describe the anonymous abuse report that was abusively filed against Shiryu. Okay. I suppose you equate it to being a whistleblower, to ratting out an unethical company that's harming the community with its practices. I suppose you think it's a noble effort, one that was done only with great personal risk. Except that there was no harm, no risk (and arguably no community either). Just a cowardly griefer with an axe to grind.

"Owning up" involved getting harrassed by an ignorant and irresponsible enforcement team.

"The consequences" themselves were barely mentionable. As I understand it, Shiryu had to take the billboards down, but continues to sell Toyotas with Linden blessing.

So I suppose there wouldn't be anything meritorious about my complaints, if we accept the fantasy that you've woven by trying to pigeonhole this situation into the narrow vision of cops-and-robbers.


The reason you're not hearing this is because I'm profiting off my own hard work. That probably wasn't the answer you wanted to hear, but no amount of reality-distortion can change the fact that Shiryu and I built those cars (and spent a nontrivial amount of time doing so).

Does that bother you?

I consider those who make shoddy bootlegs (or even well done bootlegs) inferior to those who create original work.

Are content creators superior to non-content creators - no! Non content creators keep me in business!

So you've decided to not create a business because it's too hard. That makes even less sense than before, because any shmuck can buy a piece of land in a new sim and rez some objects for sale. They don't even have to be your objects!


You can keep on expecting anything you want out of me.


Well, let me summarize in terms even a five-year-old can understand.

Whoever had a problem with Shiryu should have taken it up with Shiryu.

Whoever has a problem with me should take it up with me.

Linden Lab abuse (I'm looking at you, Michael) shouldn't act so foolishly. Either it's legal or it's illegal, but it's not "legal except when some griefer tells you it might be illegal".

And none of you have a right to say one word about trademarks unless you are personally representing Toyota.

Oh. Aww, jeez.

I apologize, Cereal. I have spoken out of turn in this thread and I hope you will forgive my obviously unacceptable behavior. I didn't realize that not only were you the brand manager for Toyota AND BMW, but you also created the original specifications for their automobile body designs. So, of course you were just recreating the very same brands and trade dress that you've been helping these companies solidify in the consumer consciousness for the last 20 years.

I've really got my foot in my mouth on this one.