Bedazzle Be Naked

Tcoz that is your opinion, and I have no problem with you stating it.

Cat

Why thank you Catherine. You are free to state yours as well

The only grief I've gotten from posing for Foxy's studio is from you and from this dear Catherine's thread. And to say my naked ass destroyed or degraded Chinatown is one of the most hyperbolic statements I've ever heard. The pictures weren't plastered all over the walls of Chinatown. It was in a quaint little "studio" called ChinaDoll intended to showcase the photographer's portraits. Had they been displayed in Torley's Sushi shop, then it'd be a whole different story.

***

Personally, to call these pictures pornographic is laughably ignorant. No one in these shots are fiddling themselves or humping a fire hydrant. You obviously have an obtuse definition of what is pornography. And a narrow vision of what is art.

So ... posing nude has degraded me? As far as I know, I'm still building, still making things at the quality I'm used to, and still improving my craft. How is this exactly degrading to me or my avatar? You don't know me or ANY of the women who posed here. Sheesh.

It's sad how religion and modern thinking has conspired to make women feel small and filthy for embracing their bodies and sexuality. There was a time where a naked woman was the image of power, a Goddess. Now a simple pixel simulation of one is the demoralization of all that is blah-fricking-amazing. Give me a break.

If you can't appreciate a nude portrait like this, then you really can't appreciate the female form as a whole. There's nothing lewd or degrading about them. I'm sorry, but you need to take that stick out of your ass.

***

I also would appreciate if anyone else refrained from summarily dismissing the people who modeled here as gender benders, publicity tarts, ditzy playboy archetypes etc. We're all more than that. Or is by defining us this way, we're an easier target to rip apart? Bleh.

I'm taking down names, people. Just because you've seen the photoshopped shadings of my pelvic bone does not mean you know me. But it's good to know where you stand, so I can stay the hell away from you.

I think this whole thread was created to be rude and abrasive to the Bedazzle team and to the people who participated. This thread's the truly offensive one.

You are going to take my name and stay away from me because I agreed with Catherine? Don't you think that's a little intolerant? I would not take names and stay away from the people in this thread just because they disagree with me on this issue.

coco

Lash,

Very well said.

Absolutely not. She's decided that you're not worth hanging out with. I don't think intolerant is the right word here.

Ooooo snap.

I'd better go label everyone who disagrees with me on some issues as "not worth hanging out with" and go tell all my friends and everyone I know.

You're right. Intolerant isn't the right word.

I think taking the point of view that there is too much emphasis on the erotic nature of SecondLife is a reasonable one to support, and that using the tactic of "sex sells" is probably something we could all probably be a bit more resistant of.

Having a conversation around that point seems to me quite reasonable.

I also think nobody was targetting individuals here (or, at least, we shouldn't), but rather the discussion is about a group "Bedazzled" which wishes to play a real role in the community.

I personally think naming groups is completely valid in these forums. Pathfinder, perhaps you could let us know what the rules are on that.

I think you looked great.

STFU about BOOBIES!

Another thing to take into consideration, is that women are a little exhausted by the constant objectification of women.

Isn't there something a little too cliche about nude, buxom women in a FPS setting?

Maybe if there had been an even assortment of male and female in that list, it wouldn't have been so bad.

Hmm. Of course, it isn't as bad as when I just tried to find out the spelling for buxom and accidentally searched google images.. freudian slip, no really

"accidentally" suuuuure

I am a little worn out by the folks who wish to project their morals and ideals onto others.

Everyday, these forums are full of people complaining about what "so and so" is doing.

Give it a rest already and go play the fucking game. Or is this "the game" for some of you?

David - Please feel free to post my Mr. Nude SL photoshoot you did wherever you would like.

nah

yeah I swear! some people!!!! w-hat's up with that

Well i think it is purely self indulgent feminist platitudes that leave people with the notion that posing naked degrades a a woman. I think rather that having the right to chose to pose naked, or not empowers women. I think having the choice to be compensated, or not for posing naked empowers women.

Who are we to say what should or should not be done by a consenting adult female? Christ, male or female, these were adults. They chose to do this. They have plenty of other career choices open to them, and someo of them I know do have sucessful careers. there was no economic imbalance or pressure put on them, or on any woman in SL.

Presumabley they were aware the pictures would be displayed, and of the context in which they would be displayed. Yet the Chose to participate.

Where is the degredation? Why are you threatened? Or is it that in order to be taken seriously a woman cannot show her naked body. In the quest for the gender-neutral perfect society we cannot allow the touch of eros to enter our art or our conscience. If you don't like. Don't look. But keep your feminist totalitarian politics out of the lives and choices of others. We neend no women's temperance union, with is victorian notions of purity here.

I think that was going a little over board there.

Hey now this is a bit much dont ya think. I dont think it fair that your judging someone else on something I may have said as an opinion.

Well Huns, when w-hat complains about furrys, netspeak, etc, and makes it their place to expose anyone they think is wacked or takes the net too seriously, I may question it, just as I am questioning those here who are sticking their noses into how other people choose to behave and represent themselves on the net. In other words, I see the two situations as analogous.

If someone has the chutzpah to step up to the mic, point fingers and criticize, they shouldn't be too suprised when some fingers point the opposite direction. You know, the whole "you can dish it out, but you can't take it" thing.

I completely agree with you!

Cat

Whenever people mention "degrade"/"oppress" and "women" in the same sentence all I hear is muffled trombone noises like when adults talk in Charlie Brown. Being a male who was raised by feminists and mistreated by teachers of the "women > men, girls > boys, anything you can do we can do better" variety, I have come to the conclusion that nothing feminists say on gender (especially relating to men) is worth hearing. The only feminist-related things they ever said to me on those lines was 100% self-serving/self-aggrandizing-at-my-expense/self-excusing/designed to condition me to be subservient to women, especially anyone I might marry (assuming I would even want to.) Fuck that shit, I'm an adult now and I'm not listening to it anymore.

The one exception would be that CNN thing with Christianne Amanpour when she went to Afghanistan, but she was at least good enough to cover the heinous things done to men as well (which usually involved either being shot to death in front of their families, or getting stoned to death Old Testament-style.)

In this case I think the rule is, "If the naked women are attractive, it's degrading. If they are 50lbs overweight, it's empowering." That's the impression I get from listening to people talk about these things on the radio.

In my (never) humble opinion the only people who are in any way harming women are the ones trying to impose morals or values that inhibit a woman's right to CHOOSE to do whatever SHE wants!

(And if you're not doing that, then obviously what I had to say is not aimed at you, so don't allow a guilty conscience to cause you to shoot yourself in the foot when you respond.)

The biggest mistake you are making here is painting us all with the same brush, but we have already argued with you about that point and you don't seem willing to consider our POV on that issue. Some people in w-hat don't like furries, some people in w-hat are furries. Think about it.

Catherine, I think your sackcloth is chafing too much.

You really should've just kept your drama-hole shut. And uh - didn't you *leave*?

Maybe you should.

Uh oh... the sniper scope will turn to me next now....

*ducks as a vase next to her head shatters*

Maxx why do you feel it is ok to talk to anyone that way? It's not. You have no right to belittle me because my opinion is different than yours.

Why don't you leave.