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Surreal Farber
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04-04-2005 17:27
From: blaze Spinnaker
Another thing to take into consideration, is that women are a little exhausted by the constant objectification of women.


I didn't know you were a woman Blaze.. I always get tired of other people telling me what I, as a woman (fill in other group I belong to) think and feel on a subject.
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Talen Morgan
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04-04-2005 17:30
From: Catherine Cotton
:eek: I think that was going a little over board there.


Catherine that wasn't overboard and she was dead on in her statements...This is really new low.....
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Catherine Cotton
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04-04-2005 17:31
FYI I didn't think the BEDAZZLE group needed to have some of its female members pose nude. If they felt this was an artist thing to do then why not involve the entire team, to include men. Why only the women? No one has answered that yet.
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Nolan Nash
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04-04-2005 17:31
From: Huns Valen
The biggest mistake you are making here is painting us all with the same brush, but we have already argued with you about that point and you don't seem willing to consider our POV on that issue. Some people in w-hat don't like furries, some people in w-hat are furries. Think about it.
I'll concede the furry point, although, given the fact there have been instances where W-hat has singled out furries, I am not 100% sure that this isn't a PR move. The whole departure from the SA goon group was such a move, therefore I remain mixed. Anyway, if you want to speak about this in-world or something I am open to it. I don't want to start up another w-hat argument here, although you seem to want to yourself.
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Talen Morgan
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04-04-2005 17:32
Seems to me someone was more than a little pissed that she wasn't invited to pose for a pic.....perhaps when there is a troll picture shoot :D
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Catherine Cotton
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04-04-2005 17:34
From: Talen Morgan
Catherine that wasn't overboard and she was dead on in her statements...This is really new low.....


Attack the person not the opinion.

I'm sorry I disagree, we are not childern, we should be able to discuss any issue without threats and personal insults. As far as I am concerned the more they lash out at ppl who disagree with them the lower my opinion of them sinks.
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blaze Spinnaker
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04-04-2005 17:34
Well, Surreal, are you saying that I have to be a part of a particular group in order to see that group is being mistreated?

I guess, for example, I have to be a little person in order to complain about how little people are treated?

One of the great advantages of this world, is you don't know what sex I am. You really only know the opinion I have and can only really effectively address that.

Maybe I'm a stripper who's whole life has been about objectification and this deeply offends me. Or maybe I'm a guy who smokes cigars and drinkings martinis while stuffing 10 dollar bills into the panties of pole dancers.

Who knows, who cares. The discussion is valid and interesting and any resulting drama is generally caused sarcastic, disrespectful replies which attack the people and not the ideas.
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Catherine Cotton
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04-04-2005 17:34
From: Talen Morgan
Seems to me someone was more than a little pissed that she wasn't invited to pose for a pic.....perhaps when there is a troll picture shoot :D


You know what talen that is BULLSHIT.
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Talen Morgan
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04-04-2005 17:35
From: Catherine Cotton
You know what talen that is BULLSHIT.



Is it?....I think not :eek:
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Catherine Cotton
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04-04-2005 17:35
From: blaze Spinnaker
Well, are you saying that I have to be a part of a particular group in order to see that group is being mistreated?

I guess, for example, I have to be a little person in order to complain about how little people are treated?


blaze I am one woman who thanks you for saying what you are. I appreciate it.

Cat
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04-04-2005 17:38
From: Nolan Nash
I don't want to start up another w-hat argument here, although you seem to want to yourself.
nah
Davina Steele
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04-04-2005 17:39
From: Catherine Cotton
FYI I didn't think the BEDAZZLE group needed to have some of its female members pose nude. If they felt this was an artist thing to do then why not involve the entire team, to include men. Why only the women? No one has answered that yet.


It would have given you a extra reason to bitch about and yet here we are pages deep trying to still get you to STFU about your something you came here to stir up drama. Your point in this tread was not an opinion, it was to be rude from the start so you deserve everything your getting and I know it's upsetting you at this point since your still here giving it all your attention and press to Bedazzle. Take some time off tonight and go get laid.
Catherine Cotton
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04-04-2005 17:39
From: Talen Morgan
Is it?....I think not :eek:


I don't see a need to get naked in SL and have my pic taken. I prefer to spend my time building and having fun with friends. I'm sorry you feel that is every womans need, it's not.
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04-04-2005 17:40
From: Catherine Cotton
:eek: I think that was going a little over board there.


You had the unmitigated gall to say that someone wasn't your equal because they chose to pose in these pictures.

You deserve anything you get in this thread as a result, Catherine.

You crossed the one line that should never be crossed.
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04-04-2005 17:41
From: Davina Steele
It would have given you a extra reason to bitch about and yet here we are pages deep trying to still get you to STFU about your something you came here to stir up drama. Your point in this tread was not an opinion, it was to be rude from the start so you deserve everything your getting and I know it's upsetting you at this point since your still here giving it all your attention and press to Bedazzle. Take some time off tonight and go get laid.



You have got to be kidding me right. This is acceptable to post in the LL forums???

I'm going to go puke now.
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Catherine Cotton
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04-04-2005 17:42
From: Reitsuki Kojima
You had the unmitigated gall to say that someone wasn't your equal because they chose to pose in these pictures.

You deserve anything you get in this thread as a result, Catherine.

You crossed the one line that should never be crossed.



I did not say that, read my opinons before you assume what you think I may have thought.

I crossed a line, that should never be crossed.

Is that a threat? I take it as one.
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04-04-2005 17:42
From: Catherine Cotton
Maxx why do you feel it is ok to talk to anyone that way? It's not. You have no right to belittle me because my opinion is different than yours.

Why don't you leave.



Maybe because I'm not some shrill dullard that sees the 'injustices' of the world, SL or otherwise, and decides, that *this* time, *this* subject will be her personal waterloo.

Just make good on your original commitments to leave. Seriously.
Davina Steele
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04-04-2005 17:43
From: Catherine Cotton
You have got to be kidding me right. This is acceptable to post in the LL forums???

I'm going to go puke now.


I puke from the minute you started this tread.. I thought to myself, She has nothing better to do but to nit-pick at everything she finds offensive to her. Move on. Im sure all the models had fun and are enjoying the game and not spreading their misery like you
Reitsuki Kojima
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04-04-2005 17:43
From: Huns Valen
Whenever people mention "degrade"/"oppress" and "women" in the same sentence all I hear is muffled trombone noises like when adults talk in Charlie Brown. Being a male who was raised by feminists and mistreated by teachers of the "women > men, girls > boys, anything you can do we can do better" variety, I have come to the conclusion that nothing feminists say on gender (especially relating to men) is worth hearing. The only feminist-related things they ever said to me on those lines was 100% self-serving/self-aggrandizing-at-my-expense/self-excusing/designed to condition me to be subservient to women, especially anyone I might marry (assuming I would even want to.) Fuck that shit, I'm an adult now and I'm not listening to it anymore.

...

In this case I think the rule is, "If the naked women are attractive, it's degrading. If they are 50lbs overweight, it's empowering." That's the impression I get from listening to people talk about these things on the radio.


I agree with every single word of this.
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04-04-2005 17:43
From: Catherine Cotton
I don't see a need to get naked in SL and have my pic taken. I prefer to spend my time building and having fun with friends. I'm sorry you feel that is every womans need, it's not.



its not anyones need this was part of a special project and added to the feel of chinatown....making this into a 20 page thread on morals is bullshit And they portraits were very well done ...

This is a new low for you Cat....couldn't find the normal drama maker so you went after this....pathetic
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04-04-2005 17:45
From: Catherine Cotton
I did not say that, read my opinons before you assume what you think I may have thought.

I crossed a line, that should never be crossed.

Is that a threat? I take it as one.



From: Catherine Cotton
They are not my equal cus they lowered them selves to showing tites and pussy.



Call me a liar again and I report you.

That isn't a threat. It's a fact. The other was a statement of my opinion. Something you seem to be quite fond of.
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Catherine Cotton
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04-04-2005 17:45
You ppl are going way overboard and serously need to get a grip.
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04-04-2005 17:45
From: blaze Spinnaker
Well, Surreal, are you saying that I have to be a part of a particular group in order to see that group is being mistreated?

I guess, for example, I have to be a little person in order to complain about how little people are treated?

One of the great advantages of this world, is you don't know what sex I am. You really only know the opinion I have and can only really effectively address that.

Maybe I'm a stripper who's whole life has been about objectification and this deeply offends me. Or maybe I'm a guy who smokes cigars and drinkings martinis while stuffing 10 dollar bills into the panties of pole dancers.

Who knows, who cares. The discussion is valid and interesting and any resulting drama is generally caused sarcastic, disrespectful replies which attack the people and not the ideas.



From: blaze Spinnaker
People who generally claim that either FIC does not or exist or that FIC is not evil or whatever else that is not being claimed, generally have dellusions of self-importance as they are generally trying to defend a group that they think they're a part of.



Funny how the angle changes when the tables are turned eh.

blaze will called a person "self important" for defending a group they do not belong to, but has no problem placing himself in that same postion... go figure.
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Catherine Cotton
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04-04-2005 17:46
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Call me a liar again and I report you.

That isn't a threat. It's a fact. The other was a statement of my opinion. Something you seem to be quite fond of.


get a grip
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blaze Spinnaker
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04-04-2005 17:46
ahahah. Oh touche!
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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