Forum Nomic anyone?

I see that Rule #6 states, " The score of each player is part of the game state. Initially the score of a player is 0".

Administrator... Can you please cite under which rule ANYONE has scored ANY points.

- Ace

Nogard thanks,
I was tempted to use the full rules, but thought it was best to start small.

Zuzi,
Will you compramise? Can we put your claim on hold until we have a dispute system in place? In exchange, I promise to put up an appropriate proposal tomorrow.

Ace,

Err.. whoops? Looks like I've made a big mistake. You are right, it doesnt say that having your proposal accepted gives you a point.

I'll produce a new roster and score list tomorrow. Sorry folks.

The full "standard" starting ruleset is overly complicated and not very much fun. I prefer "pure nomic" in which you start with one assumption (we are playing a game) and one rule (all players must agree to any changes to the rules), but that doesn't work for people unfamiliar with or hostile to a friendly game of nomic. I think you chose a good subset, you just forgot to include dispute resolution.


Unnecessary. Any declarations made now can still be fixed with retroactive rules and/or a dispute resolution model.

hmmm how about we compromise and you feel free to propose a dispute system in the next game since i won the hell out of this one?

but if you want make the first rule proposal of a new game that all previous winners are null and void and probably smell bad i'd vote for that just to be perverse.

also i propose a new rule: anyone proposing a dispute resolution system will be declared "dog food" with all the rights, privileges, duties and functions inherent in that title.

Nope, sorry


Sure, you can make the unilateral declaration that you are the only one who can win. But since you have not, according to the rules, won the game (since there is still no way to win as of yet) the game does not cease. And since there is no rule supporting the claims made in unilateral declarations, whatever you have delcared in such a manner is really of no consequence. Winning a nomic is never so easy.

I vote NO.

I acknowledge my debt to Neehai Zapata under Rules 10 and 11, and have discharged it.

== danny d.

Proposed,

That any PONG authoring a proposal which is accepted as a Rule be credited with one game point,

that the author of this Proposal receive no compensation for its acceptance as a Rule, but that the simple award mechanism described herein become automatically effective with the first Rule accepted after the acceptance of this Proposal,

that no author of a Rule accepted prior to this one shall benefit ex post facto by the automatic accumulation of one game point for authorship of a successful Rule,

and,

that, regardless of mechanisms which may arise to further regulate the addition or deduction of game points, this Proposal, upon acceptance into the Game State as a Rule, shall be especially and perpetually impervious to amendment or reversal, so long as the Game State shall endure.

== danny d.

Proposed,

that the Game State shall never include a Rule penalizing PONGs for posts acknowledging, seeking clarification concerning, or reporting on the status of, liabilities or responsibilities incurred under the Rules,

and,

that the status of this Proposal as a Rule for any duration whatsoever shall make abridgements of its scope and power impossible, whether or not the Rule itself remains a part of the Game State, based upon the Rule's preemptive use of the word "never."


== danny d

Proposed,

that any PONG posting an open offer to purchase votes for or against a specific Proposal by any currency, merchandise, or favor, shall suffer

- for the first offence: the loss of five game points, or all credited game points, whichever is less,

- for the second offence: disqualification,

but,

that the acceptance of this Proposal as a Rule shall in no way jeapordize the authors of any postings prior to its acceptance.

== danny d.

Proposed,

that, in any case where the semantics of a Proposal appear to conflict with the semantics of one or more Rules, the semantics of the Rules will prevail.

== danny d.

I vote YES to SG-01.

== danny d.

SG-01: Vote No



Vote Yes

DDG-006: Vote No

DDG-007: Vote Yes

DDG-008: Vote Yes

DDG-009: Vote Yes

Proposal EGGY-001.
In order to prevent pedantic abuse of the system, when interpreting rules and proposals, the broadest possible meaning shall be used, one that fully captures both the letter and the spirit of said rules and proposals.

I propose a new rule that ALL my proposals be made rules whether they are proposed as rules or not.

EGGY-001: Vote Yes

Proposal LM-003:

No proposal shall be made a rule that:

A: Gives one player the ability to have their vote count as more than 1
B: Gives one player the ability to singularly block other player's proposals
C: Gives one player the ability to have their proposals enacted without votes

EGGY-001 YES
LM-003 YES

== danny d.

Im afraid the amended rules and roster will have to wait till later.

Herin is the list of current proposals and their voting scores so far:

These proposals passed since the last update:

NEW RULE

For 3, against 2

NEW RULE

for 3, against 2

NEW RULE

for 3, against 2

NEW RULE

for 5, against 0

NEW RULE

for 5, against 0
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The following proposals failed since the last update
FAILED

votes for 2, votes against 3

for 1, against 4


for 2, against 3
**** *
the following proposals still need votes



votes against 2, votes for 1

PLEASE VOTE FOR THIS

For 2, against 2


For 1, agaisnt 0


for 2, against 1


for 1, against 1


for 2, aginst 0


for 1, against 0, one spoilt(Sorry Eggy)


for 1, against 1



for 0, against 1


for 1, against 1



for 4, against 0


for 2 against 0


for 2, against 2



for 0, against 3 (Thankyou Nogard)




for 1, against 2









for 2, against 1



for 2 against 1


for 1 against 1


**********************
New proposals since the last update

Catfart grayson
New Proposal SG -01
I propose that the following rule is added into the next available rule number

Rule: In order to prevent confusion between players of this game, players of SL and posters to this forum, the following terms must be used, wherever appropriate, in all proposals

Player Of the Nomic Game, or PONG
Someone who has declared they are a player in this game by posting to this forum. A PONG may be a POSL. All PONGs are PIFs

Player of Second Life, or POSL
Someone who plays in Second Life. Some POSLs are PONGs. Some PONGs are PIFs'

Poster In the Forum, or PIF
Someone who posts in this forum. All PIFs are POSLs. Some PIFs are PONGs

Any PONG not using the correct term in a post will lose 1 point. Examples, use of the words player/s, poster/s SL player/s etc, will cause the author to lose 1 point.

AND
The Adminstrator is to go back through the rules and change the wording to fit the new rule, without changing the menaing of the rules.[/QUOTE]
for 2 against 2


for 0 against 1


for 1 against 0


for 1 against 0



for 1 against 0


For 2 Against 0




For 1 against 0
___________

TY Danny. The Administrator notes that you have discharged your obligation unders rules 10 and 11

Humblest apologies to all, but after clarification of the rules, no one has scored anything



The following people have declared they are playing the game by posting to this forum

0 Zuzi Martinez
0 Eggy Lippmann
0 Neehai Zapata
0 Danny DeGroot
0 Catfart Grayson
0 Lance LeFay
0 Devlin Gallant
0 Willow Zander
0 Siobhan Taylor
0 Kris Ritter
0 Ardith Mifflin
0 Ace Cassidy
0 Nogard Codesmith
0 Jessica Robertson
0 Lianne Marten

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The following events occured since the last update

Zuzi Matinez unilateraly declared that only she is capable of winning

Danny DeGroot disharged his obligations under rules 10 and 11

Has someone declared that Devlin can't score, since he's the only one without a '0' next to his name, or is that a ... hmm, what is the cut & paste equivalent of a typo called?

I propose rule 13 is introduced, as the unlucky rule, whoever votes no to it get's spanked, hard, with a big black paddle.

I vote no to rule 13, and yes to a spanking from willow