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Willow Zander
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02-09-2005 05:43
I propose Kris is the new boss of the thread, and that she makes up rules including nakeyness, twister and vodka
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Siobhan Taylor
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02-09-2005 05:45
From: Willow Zander
I propose Kris is the new boss of the thread, and that she makes up rules including nakeyness, twister and vodka


I vote yes to this.
I also propose that the third turnip on the right be known as Gertrude, all other turnips not having names as is their wont. Also, that the rules be obscured in order to prevent players from actually knowing what's going on.
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Willow Zander
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02-09-2005 05:49
Yes to the turnip.

I also propose that a rule is enforced, whereby, everyone must thing of at least one sex toy to engage with whilst playing nakey twister
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Siobhan Taylor
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02-09-2005 05:50
From: Willow Zander
Yes to the turnip.

I also propose that a rule is enforced, whereby, everyone must thing of at least one sex toy to engage with whilst playing nakey twister


Can that include the 'sex slave' mentioned in an earlier proposal?
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Willow Zander
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02-09-2005 05:52
Yes, I endorse and support that proposal
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Siobhan Taylor
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02-09-2005 06:09
From: Willow Zander
Yes, I endorse and support that proposal


Seconded!
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Zuzi Martinez
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Join date: 4 Sep 2004
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02-09-2005 07:09
From: someone
Nomic is a game in which changing the rules is a move. In that respect it differs from almost every other game. The primary activity of Nomic is proposing changes in the rules, debating the wisdom of changing them in that way, voting on the changes, deciding what can and cannot be done afterwards, and doing it.

oh lordy.......it's United Nations: The Home Game.

since rule #7 says "Anything not prohibited in the rules is allowed" and since there are no rules about winning or scoring i declare my score is infinity + 1 points, that i win, and further more that i rule and everyone else drools.
Neehai Zapata
Unofficial Parent
Join date: 8 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,970
02-09-2005 07:35
From: someone
I propose Kris is the new boss of the thread, and that she makes up rules including nakeyness, twister and vodka

I vote yes on this.

I also support turnips and sex toys, but not necessarily turnips as sex toys.
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Danny DeGroot
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02-09-2005 07:49
From: Kris Ritter


I... don't get it. Unless I'm missing something, like, say, the whole point then it seems stupid beyond words!


I didn't know there was a "Nomic" Website, but I ran across an earlier incarnation of this game (foray, exercise, whatever) about a decade ago. I think it was called "Facism" or somesuch.

I'm not sure what the point is. My current hypothesis is, the point is to gradually define a personal agenda with some publicly-identifiable advantage, and to get the agenda incorporated into the game's ruleset in such a way that you, the author, are the only one who can possibly even understand it, much less navigate to the game's goal with it.

So, yeah..."United Nations, Home Version" probably covers most of the bases :rolleyes:

Whatever it is, the Nomic Website shows a constant stream of traffic over the past few years, so I thought I'd give it a shot. Catfart tends to come up with interesting little projects, in my experience.

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Catfart Grayson
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Join date: 16 May 2004
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02-09-2005 08:30
Danny,
Thanks for that. You know, I dont think anyone has spotted the l$250 prize you offered?


So after 58 replies and 300 or so views, no one has been able to get their proposal trurned into a rule (Remember you need the majority of 5 votes for a proposal to become a rule). Sex Slaves and turnips sound interesting, but until the proposals become rules, they are not part of the game.

Some people have voted no to having a prize of L$250 (Offered by Danny Degroot). Why?

Kris,
Well I suppose it depends on who you are, but yes lots of people find it fun.

Nomics tend to be a bit chaotic to start with, especially with people who havnt played before. Yopu get a lot of the "this rule does not exist" and proposals that they win the game. Eventually people figure out that they only way to get others to vote for a proposal is to make the proposals benefit everyone.
Eventually they settle down to a theme (I assume this one will be SL based, but that depnds on what is voted for). Thats when you have to start developing strategies if you want to win.


I vote no to Willows proposal to turn the game into Internet Twister.
(Siobhan, as Willows porposal does not specify that it is naked twister, I've taken your vote as a no)

I vote yes to Eggy's proposal for a rule that says Willow is his sex slave

I vote no to Siobhan's proposal that sex slaves are available to all posters. Now if it was players I would have voted yes, as sharing of sex slaves amongst the nomic players is obviously a good thing. But according to the rules, a poster does not have to be a player. So if we put the rule in we would have to share the sex slaves with people who are not playing the game!


I vote no to Siobhan's proposal to scape all the rules.

I vote no to Willows second proposal that the game rules be changed to naked twister.

I vote yes to Kris Ritters proposal for a rule that says he would like to know why

I'm rejecting Willow's proposal that Kris is made the Boss of the threa, as there is no Boss in the rules for Kris to become one.

I vote no to Siobhan's proposal about naming the thrid turnip to the left for two reasons. I think the turnip should be allowed to choose its own name and obscuring the rules is a different variant of Nomic.

I vote yes to Willows proposal regarding sex toys
(Willow after that post, you posted again saying you supported a proposal, but I cant tell which proposal you are voting for)

I'm rejecting Zuzi's declaration that he has won, as it is not a proposal to amend the rules


Remember, a proposal cannot become a rule until five people have voted on it.
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Siobhan Taylor
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02-09-2005 08:37
From: Catfart Grayson
I vote no to Willows proposal to turn the game into Internet Twister.
(Siobhan, as Willows porposal does not specify that it is naked twister, I've taken your vote as a no)


In that case, I propose that we turn the game into naked internet twister, with web cams.

From: Catfart Grayson
I vote no to Siobhan's proposal that sex slaves are available to all posters. Now if it was players I would have voted yes, as sharing of sex slaves amongst the nomic players is obviously a good thing. But according to the rules, a poster does not have to be a player. So if we put the rule in we would have to share the sex slaves with people who are not playing the game!


That was an error on my part, I assumed posters == players, and would then like to reword this proposal to replace the word 'posters' with players, and to call for a re-vote.

From: Catfart Grayson
I vote no to Siobhan's proposal to scape all the rules.


Meanie
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Ardith Mifflin
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Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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02-09-2005 08:48
I propose that discussion not directly pertinent to a proposal being discussed result in one negative Nomic-point for every offending post. Once a player amasses ten negative Nomic-points, his or her right to suggest and vote on new proposals is removed.

(Nomic-police be in the hizzouse!)
Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
02-09-2005 08:50
I have a webcam and i vote yes for naked twister.
Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,416
02-09-2005 08:52
I urge all of my Nomic-compatriots to join me in solidarity, with a no-vote on naked twister. I think such debauchery threatens to undermine the spirit of the game.
Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
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02-09-2005 08:52
From: Ardith Mifflin
I propose that discussion not directly pertinent to a proposal being discussed result in one negative Nomic-point for every offending post. Once a player amasses ten negative Nomic-points, his or her right to suggest and vote on new proposals is removed.

(Nomic-police be in the hizzouse!)

I vote no for this/these proposal(s).
Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
02-09-2005 08:58
I vote no to siobhan's proposal of communal slavery.
I propose that people should be able to own their own sex slaves and that slaves should only be shared under their own and their owner's consent.
Catfart, this would be a lot more fun in-world, where we could use some sort of script to help organize proposals and votes ;)
Ace Cassidy
Resident Bohemian
Join date: 5 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,228
02-09-2005 09:20
From: Catfart Grayson
I propose a new rule is added:

Rule 8: The first player to reach 50 points is declared the winner. The game ends at that point.


I vote NO to this proposal.

From: Zuzi Martinez
i propose a new rule.

rule #9: there is no rule #9.


I vote YES to this proposal.

From: Neehai Zapata
I propose a new rule:

Rule 10: All votes must last at least 12 hours. At the end of twelve hours from the initial suggestion of the vote, a determination will be made based on a simple majority of votes cast on the issue.


I vote NO to this proposal.

From: Neehai Zapata
I propose Rule 13:

Rule 13: Use of the word "quintuplet" in any rule proposal will result in


I vote YES to this proposal.

From: Danny DeGroot
Proposal DDG-001 : Decoupling of Proposal and Accepted Rule Nomenclature
Proposed,

that upon acceptance of this language into the Game State, all proposal authors must thenceforth use a standard nomenclature for submitting proposals,

that the nomenclature shall consist of a prefix between two and five characters in length, followed by a hyphen, followed by a 3-digit series number, with leading zeroes as necessary, [snip]


I vote NO to this proposal.

From: Danny DeGroot
Proposal DDG-002
Proposed,

that Danny DeGroot will be personally liable for a one time payment of $250L to the author of the proposal accepted into the Game State as Rule 10, such liability to be discharged within seven days of the rule's acceptance,

but,

that such liability shall be null and void if no Rule 10 has been accepted into the Game State by March 1, 2005.


I vote YES to this proposal.

From: Devlin Gallant
I propose an immediate reward of 50 points to Devlin Gallant thus ensuring a winning player, and immediately ending the game.


I vote NO to this proposal.

From: Eggy Lippmann
I also propose that Willow Z become my sex slave.


I vote YES to this proposal.

From: Siobhan Taylor
I propose a new rule.
That upon any acceptance of proposals of a 'sex slave', said slave must be entered into the public domain, thus ensuring equal access to said 'sex slave' for all posters.


I vote YES to this proposal.

From: Ardith Mifflin
I propose that discussion not directly pertinent to a proposal being discussed result in one negative Nomic-point for every offending post. Once a player amasses ten negative Nomic-points, his or her right to suggest and vote on new proposals is removed.

(Nomic-police be in the hizzouse!)


I vote NO to this proposal.

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Proposal : Upon adoption of Rule #9 after adoption of this proposal, or upon adoption of this proposal after adoption of Rule #9, all other rules besides Rule #9 shall be repealed (including this rule).

This will leave this game in an unamendable pardoxical state.

- Ace
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Eggy Lippmann
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02-09-2005 09:25
From: Ace Cassidy


Proposal : Upon adoption of Rule #9 after adoption of this proposal, or upon adoption of this proposal after adoption of Rule #9, all other rules besides Rule #9 shall be repealed (including this rule).

This will leave this game in an unamendable pardoxical state.

- Ace

Duude.... this is some good shit you been smoking.
Willow Zander
Having Blahgasms
Join date: 22 May 2004
Posts: 9,935
02-09-2005 09:27
I vote for the webcam proposal!

I also propose this game ending cos I can't play it properly
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Ace Cassidy
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Join date: 5 Apr 2004
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02-09-2005 09:27
From: Eggy Lippmann
Duude.... this is some good shit you been smoking.


Is that a YES vote on my proposal then? ;-)

- Ace
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,416
02-09-2005 09:27
From: Eggy Lippmann
I vote no to siobhan's proposal of communal slavery.
I propose that people should be able to own their own sex slaves and that slaves should only be shared under their own and their owner's consent.
Catfart, this would be a lot more fun in-world, where we could use some sort of script to help organize proposals and votes ;)


I abstain from voting on the sex-slave proposal, but I vote yes on the pseudo-proposal regarding an in-world proposal adjudication system.
Neehai Zapata
Unofficial Parent
Join date: 8 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,970
02-09-2005 09:31
From: someone
Proposal : Upon adoption of Rule #9 after adoption of this proposal, or upon adoption of this proposal after adoption of Rule #9, all other rules besides Rule #9 shall be repealed (including this rule).

This will leave this game in an unamendable pardoxical state.

I'm not sure what this means but it gave me a tingly feeling in my no-no place when I read it. Therefore, I vote yes.
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
02-09-2005 09:33
From: Ace Cassidy
Is that a YES vote on my proposal then? ;-)

- Ace

Your proposal is unworthy of a mere binary vote.
Thus, I elect to vote (YES+NO)/2 and genuflect in your general direction :)
Danny DeGroot
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Join date: 7 Jul 2004
Posts: 191
Proposal DDG-003 : "Neehai is ON..." Day and Turnip-related Research
02-09-2005 09:41
From: Neehai Zapata

I also support turnips and sex toys, but not necessarily turnips as sex toys.



Proposed,

a "Sense of the Forum" proclamation, whereby all lands and parties be advised

- that turnips have one and only one purpose,

- that nobody knows what it is,

- that Neehai, by dint of his commendable caution in the matter of turnips, be proclaimed on the occasion of the acceptance of this proposal into the Game State as either "Neehai Zapata: Onto Something" or "Neehai Zapata: On Something" or "Neehai Zapata: Both" but under no circumstances "Neehai Zapata: Neither,"

- that Neehai Zapata be awarded a one-time research grant of $100L by Danny DeGroot, payable within seven days of this Proposal's acceptance as a rule,

- that Neehai be held strictly accountable for the expenditure of the grant according to the RW precedents established by the Government of the U.S.A.; to-wit: that he be utterly free to piss it away on shopping sprees, island-sim junkets, or whatever else may occur to him, without obligation to mention the grant again,

but,

- that Neehai must apply for the grant by publicly identifying his own status from the options offered three clauses ago, such identification serving as the necessary proclamation,

- that Neehai may provide an alternative title for his status of his own choosing, as long as the number of words making up the title is a prime number,

- that the title must begin with "Neehai Zapata: ", and that the prepended words do count as two words toward the total word count of the title,

- that Neehai may pre-identify his status at any time prior to the acceptance of this Proposal into the Game State, with the status instantaneously active upon the acceptance of the Proposal,

- that Neehai may make only one such proclamation concerning this Proposal and its scope,

- that the offer of the grant will expire if this proposal has failed to achieve Rule status before 13 March 2005, or if Neehai has not publicly identified his research status before 15 March 2005, or if his single allowed proclamation is of an alternate title and that title's word count fails to meet the commonly-accepted definition of a "prime number."

== danny d.
Eggy Lippmann
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02-09-2005 09:43
I vote no to DDG's proposal on the ground that it is too long :D
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