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Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 08:21
Anyone who wishes to attach their Artist sim to Faded Reality or Reality Faded is very much welcome. We however do not want any RL commercial sims attached to our island, now or ever.

If your interested please contact:

Martin Magpie or Claire Glitterbuck.

Thanks :)

Cat
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Chip Midnight
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07-02-2005 08:28
Hmmm, I have a question. If setting up a continent off the main grid but still in this world isn't good enough for you, and you say it's because you don't want to have to see things you don't like, will you have an application or approval process to gain access to your new exclusive grid? I imagine you don't want any of "those people" getting in.
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Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 08:34
From: Chip Midnight
Hmmm, I have a question. If setting up a continent off the main grid but still in this world isn't good enough for you, and you say it's because you don't want to have to see things you don't like, will you have an application or approval process to gain access to your new exclusive grid? I imagine you don't want any of "those people" getting in.


I guess I am stuck with the choices I am given by LL. Their world, Their imagination. My artistic box.

Absolulty there will be a formal screening process. I trust ppl tho I would hope no one would appy that would just move their RL commercial bullshit there to be funny. Especialy since they would definatly feel very much unwelcomeed.

I'm not going to dignify your "..." with answers Chip.

Cat
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Chip Midnight
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07-02-2005 08:41
From: Catherine Cotton
I guess I am stuck with the choices I am given by LL. Their world, Their imagination. My artistic box.

Absolulty there will be a formal screening process. I trust ppl tho I would hope no one would appy that would just move their RL commercial bullshit there to be funny. Especialy since they would definatly feel very much unwelcomeed.

I'm not going to dignify your "..." with answers Chip.


Sorry Cat, that's just how it sounds to me and I find it a bit icky. I think what you want to do, if done here on island sims, would be a great thing and something that would be very good for SL. I would just hope that your aim is more to provide people with choices for environments they might enjoy rather than segregation. People should be able to enjoy everything SL has to offer without having to sacrifice choice in order to appease the discriminatory views of a few.
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Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 08:53
From: Chip Midnight
Sorry Cat, that's just how it sounds to me and I find it a bit icky. I think what you want to do, if done here on island sims, would be a great thing and something that would be very good for SL. I would just hope that your aim is more to provide people with choices for environments they might enjoy rather than segregation. People should be able to enjoy everything SL has to offer without having to sacrifice choice in order to appease the discriminatory views of a few.



Well honestly Chip LL shot that idea to hell today. So I dont have a choice but to work within their current system. I just wont be leaving any islands that connect to us for the most part that will be my SL experience. Which btw is OK with me. Absolutly we are offering a choice. So we are on the main grid anyone who feels a need for an artistic contient is more than welcome to IM me or Clair :)

I do believe I will be venting my fustration in an artist way this weekend tho :D Noting like poking a little fun on the island :D *Breaks out in song "I gotta be me..." exit stage left ;)
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Eboni Khan
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07-02-2005 09:04
Let's hope you don't treat future collaborators like you treated Vindi.
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Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 09:06
From: Eboni Khan
Let's hope you don't treat future collaborators like you treated Vindi.



Hello Drama Mama. Point that finger at your self honey. Reap what you sew.

You have been reported for Rude and Harrassing remarks.
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Chip Midnight
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07-02-2005 09:06
From: Catherine Cotton
Well honestly Chip LL shot that idea to hell today. So I dont have a choice but to work within their current system. I just wont be leaving any islands that connect to us for the most part that will be my SL experience. Which btw is OK with me.


I can relate to that. I seldom find time to get off my own land these days. What you have in mind is someplace I'd definitely like to visit, but I wouldn't want to give up everything else for the opportunity. I'm glad you'll still be a part of this world.
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Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 09:12
From: Chip Midnight
I can relate to that. I seldom find time to get off my own land these days. What you have in mind is someplace I'd definitely like to visit, but I wouldn't want to give up everything else for the opportunity. I'm glad you'll still be a part of this world.


Hugz Chip thank you for that :) We would be happy to see ya

Cat
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April Firefly
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07-02-2005 09:14
From: Cocoanut Koala
Yeah, those are some valid considerations. If money exists, certainly things can be bought and sold, even without the fancy stuff that makes it easy.

coco



Unless I'm reading this wrong Coco, I don't think Cat wants anything bought or sold. No money involved at all.

Cat, I kind of like the idea of this separate island group a bit better. Maybe every once in a while those of us on the outside could be allowed in for a showing. That would be neat. I feel a little uncomfortable about the fact that you will be limiting access, but I guess it's your grid.

I do know some were upset when those involved in Cabinhead wanted to limit access to AV's under 90 days. But of course this situation is different.
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Eboni Khan
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07-02-2005 09:16
From: Catherine Cotton
Hello Drama Mama. Point that finger at your self honey. Reap what you sew.

You have been reported for Rude and Harrassing remarks.




If the truth is rude and harassing, then report away. You had someone slave on your Chicago island. Then when they were complimented on thier work more than you, you got nasty with them and returned all of their items, and recalled them as an officer. Ohh and you never even talked to the person when the sim was complete to even say thank you. Anyone who works with you would be a fool.
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Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 09:23
From: April Firefly
Unless I'm reading this wrong Coco, I don't think Cat wants anything bought or sold. No money involved at all.

Cat, I kind of like the idea of this separate island group a bit better. Maybe every once in a while those of us on the outside could be allowed in for a showing. That would be neat. I feel a little uncomfortable about the fact that you will be limiting access, but I guess it's your grid.

I do know some were upset when those involved in Cabinhead wanted to limit access to AV's under 90 days. But of course this situation is different.


April I would hope that players would sell their in world created items there too. I have said it several time that if players can profit off thier in world items enought to support their tiers ect I think thats great. Clair feels differently but I can only speak for myself. Maybe that is where the confusion is coming from :)

Ppl are gonna have to talk to clair about what she is willing to have attached to her Island I cannot speak for her.

I didn't say I would limit acess. I was telling Andrew that those tools are in place already.

Right now this idea is in its infancy. Today we know that we cannot be on a seperate grid.

So now we switch gears a bit and see if anyone is interested in forming a new contient on the main grid with us.

ppl can feel free to join our non RL commercialism grid if they wish to. Just contact me or Clair to discuss what their sim has to offer :) and how it might benifit all of us to join together.

Feel free to post here as well if your interested in joining that contient.

So what would your SL eutopia be?

Cat
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Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 09:27
From: Eboni Khan
If the truth is rude and harassing, then report away. You had someone slave on your Chicago island. Then when they were complimented on thier work more than you, you got nasty with them and returned all of their items, and recalled them as an officer. Ohh and you never even talked to the person when the sim was complete to even say thank you. Anyone who works with you would be a fool.


I'm sorry Eboni your way off topic here. Everyone was well paid on the Chicago project. Vindi was even allowed to have a shop there, the only member of the group to have their own shop btw. If you have some sort of a beef with me and Clair please start your own thread instead of this continued harrasment both on the fourms and in the last town hall.


Why are people always whining in these forums?

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Your post has been reported.

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Claire Glitterbuck
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This is actually pretty funny ...
07-02-2005 09:27
From: Eboni Khan
Let's hope you don't treat future collaborators like you treated Vindi.


Aren't you the one at the Town Hall just last week who complained and threatened to AR me if I "continued" to address you? In front of dozens of witnesses, no less. Catherine and I have requested several times that you just leave us the hell alone. What part of that don't you understand?

As far as Vindi goes, you have no clue as to what happened there. Please don't pretend that you do.

I'll wind this up by saying yet one more time, LEAVE US ALONE. Thank you.
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Claire Glitterbuck
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Well now
07-02-2005 09:35
From: Catherine Cotton
Ppl are gonna have to talk to clair about what she is willing to have attached to her Island I cannot speak for her



Cat, you CAN speak for me, any time :)

My feelings about selling goods in-world is this - if you can make enough to help with your tier, that's great. My only objects are when people use sl to support themselves rl - but that's a topic for a diferent thread.

I'm willing to have the same areas connected to my island as Cat is to hers. Creative, artistic, thought-provoking, silly, etc - I say we give it a shot. :)
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blaze Spinnaker
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07-02-2005 09:38
Just curious, why do you object to someone supporting themselves doing something they love and is also in many ways, innovative, artistic and creative?

Also, do you folks live on a commune with high speed internet access?
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Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 09:42
From: blaze Spinnaker
Just curious, why is supporting yourself doing something you love and is artistic and creative a bad thing?

Also, do you folks live on a commune with high speed internet access?


??? :confused:

Ok for the last time

REAL LIFE COMMERCIALISM IN SL -BAD
SL USER CREATED COMMERCIALISM/CONTENT- GOOD

I am NOT explaining that again. If you don't understand, go back to school.

As for your other comment im not going to dignify it either.
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Jeska Linden
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07-02-2005 09:54
Just wanted to remind everyone to please refrain from personally attacking those they don't agree with.
blaze Spinnaker
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07-02-2005 10:50
I actually wasn't talking to you Catherine, but rather referring to this:

From: someone

My only objects are when people use sl to support themselves rl -


As for the commune remark, I suppose it could be seen as an insult, but only if you find the idea of a commune offensive..
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 10:56
From: blaze Spinnaker
I actually wasn't talking to you Catherine, but rather referring to this:



As for the commune remark, I suppose it could be seen as an insult, but only if you find the idea of a commune offensive..



Ok it wasn't to me noted :)

I found the remark flippant, needing no response.
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Eboni Khan
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07-02-2005 11:05
From: Claire Glitterbuck
Aren't you the one at the Town Hall just last week who complained and threatened to AR me if I "continued" to address you? In front of dozens of witnesses, no less. Catherine and I have requested several times that you just leave us the hell alone. What part of that don't you understand?

As far as Vindi goes, you have no clue as to what happened there. Please don't pretend that you do.

I'll wind this up by saying yet one more time, LEAVE US ALONE. Thank you.



Actually you directly insulting me and making a webpage to do so is a little different than my objection posts in response to your hippie utopia delusional fantasies.

If you don't want reponses, stop making public threads.
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Catherine Cotton
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07-02-2005 11:09
Your off topic STILL Eboni. This post has been reported too.
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Claire Glitterbuck
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07-02-2005 11:10
From: blaze Spinnaker
Just curious, why do you object to someone supporting themselves doing something they love and is also in many ways, innovative, artistic and creative?

Also, do you folks live on a commune with high speed internet access?


If someone wants to suppor themselves "doing something they love and is also in many ways, innovative, artistic and creative" AND report the income and pay taxes and social security just like I do, hey, go for it. And no, I can't prove that nobody here reports what they earn, but I will LOL at anyone who claims that most do.
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Cienna Samiam
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07-02-2005 11:16
From: Catherine Cotton
??? :confused:

Ok for the last time

REAL LIFE COMMERCIALISM IN SL -BAD
SL USER CREATED COMMERCIALISM/CONTENT- GOOD

I am NOT explaining that again. If you don't understand, go back to school.

As for your other comment im not going to dignify it either.


Actually RL Commercialism in SL is very good for Linden Labs, just as SL User created commercialism is very good for Linden Labs. The distinction between the two that you are making is an extension of your personal preference, not of an objective truth.

While there may be a case made that RL commercialism tends to cater to the lowest common denominator, it remains that whether or not that is 'good' or 'bad' depends on what level of expectation you have of your games and entertainment.

As with the real world, living a second life mirrors certain realities.... among which is the one that issues are not resolved by withdrawing from the world or fencing yourself off from it, they are resolved by interacting with the world and working to create the end you desire.

On the other hand, there are certain visions of existance that are so counter to human nature and the manner in which the world (first or second) operates as to be completely untenable. While it is admirable to hope for an idealistic end, and to work toward it, it is rarely more than cynical or downright arrogant to insist the only reason it hasn't happened is that you haven't had control of it.

In all honesty, I wish you the best in the pursuit of your own private Idaho. But considering the bitterness you've displayed, I doubt you will obtain it. Bitterness has a way of warping and ruining everything it touches and nothing so rarified as the vision you set forth can possibly withstand its touch.
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blaze Spinnaker
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07-02-2005 11:17
I'm sure PayPal and IRS are good friends by now and you can go to jail for tax evasion.
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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