Imagi Nation?

As with so many of your 'certainies', this one is incorrect.

Will you never learn? (chuckle)

Right but in this thread we are not talking about what is good for LL we are talking about what is good for our time spent in SL. Time I might as well add we pay for which is good for LL also.

Fencing ourselves off seem to be the only solution at this time. I have been fighting this issue for two years now. If LL chooses to see the need but also chooses not to do anything about that need. Well then I am left to take care of my needs as well are others.

I don't feel I have been bitter, I feel I have been very matter of fact about these things. I'm sorry if you confuse what I feel; its passion.

On a side note I find it more than ironic that now that LL has posted their opinions the beat down starts. The irony is one of the things asked for was a private forum to avoid the "collective"

After two years of this I'm not bitter, I'm looking for a solid solution for like minded ppl.


Peace be with you.
Cat

Okay, I'm not trying to be combative, just trying to understand this, so please bear with me. How will you be able to tell the difference between someone who makes money for real life and who makes money for tier? What happens when one becomes profitable and then becomes the other?

Will members have to submit their Account history and then have a Linden verify it? I just asking because I have an artistic idea and I might want to join your group. But if it becomes too poplular would I have to move off of your grid?

I would also like to add one more point;

Right now I could distance myself from all of sl I have an island on my dime. So why don't I? Apparently there is a need by like minded ppl.

Beat us up over an idea that would of improved SL for a lotta ppl.

I find that more than a little disturbing. Especialy in the name of trying to protect SL from the creators themselves.

Wouldn't it be easier just to avoid this thread.

Well, you can definitely go to jail for tax evasion.

And PayPal shares information with the IRS if you are earning interest on your money in your PayPal account. IRS definitely gets wind of it if you withdraw it to a bank.

Some people have suggested you can use a PayPal mastercard to evade taxes, however I am pretty sure that loophole has been covered. I can't promise that.

But yes, if you have a PayPal account and you're not earning interest, you can probably evade paying tax on that amount by not touching it.

I'm sorry I have an interest but if I'm not the right type, I'll bow out of the thread. I'm really sorry if I disturbed you.

Ok now I'm confused because several pages back I answered your concerns in great detail. We are not wanting to be elitists we are wanting to enjoy our experience without commercialism being shoved in our faces every time we go somewhere in SL. I don't know what you mean by "right type".

Cat

Clairs beleifs are her beliefs she doesn't want to see SL turn into a full time Job for the world. I will kindly thank you to please back off my partner now. She said how she feels and well I have to admire a person who isn't afraid to say what they mean. With that said this is only over if those who supported the idea no longer do.

have a nice day

Cat

That's because you keep blurring the lines of what your definition of, and objection to, commercialism is. I exist in the same SL you do - I am not blanketed with ads for McDonalds, Coke, or Amazon.com. I have never noticed Kotex Island on the grid (ew). Have I heard RL commercials on audio streams? Yes, because people are using RL audio streams on their land that have nothing to do with SL, and those streams are commercially supported. I've heard SL commercials too - Dominik Bauer has made quite a living in SL off of them. If SL player to player commerce is not so bad, what are you fighting against? The RL commerce is not in SL - if it is, show me where?

That is why I don't understand the need for another grid, because several pages later, in spite of what you have said, you have not explained it any more clearly. At first I thought you wanted a grid free of currency all together - ok, that I can get - but if not that, then what? Don't answer it with "we've already explained this already". I have read the entire thread, and you haven't explained it fully - you are very vague about it.

Okay, now I'm confused. I said I would stay out of it because you responded to my post that I had distubed you and that would't be easier just to avoid this thread. So I decided to do that. Since my questions were disturbing you, I thought they weren't the right type.

As for my concerns, I was actually asking Claire about the SL money making vs RL money making. But if my concerns are a problem I will just stay away. I am not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand. If I am slow understanding, I went back and reread all of your posts and I don't see where it says how this is determined.

I apologize for upsetting you, if I did, in any way. I am just curious how this will work. Because as I said, I have an idea for an artistic creative thing and am concerned what would happen if it became successful. I am an artist in real life and would love to be an artist in Second Life.

Are you answering for April? Are you confusing me with Clair. I have been as clear as I can be.

Cristino you just answered your own question it is on those radio streams for one. Have you seen Disney stuff for sale? Have you seen Beer ads? Have you seen the playboy bunny stuff. Its everywhere Cristiano. More so it's abundantly to me listening to Philip at the town hall and other lindens not to mention your views that RL commercilism is not only coming but its well on its way. How many have told me in these very forums that I need to get used to that fact? Too damn many for too damn long. Where is it? Fly around Cristiano.

Cat

Cat

You start a thread, and then when people ask you for clarification, you post condenscending crap like "if you don't understand, go back to school.". How is that an adult response? Blaze is hardly unintelligent - nor am I, and I don't get what your entire point is either. If you are not interested in explaining, fine, but don't insult someone in the process. You have a web site, make your own private forums if you are not interested in public response.

I am doing neither, just making reference to your answer. You have not answered where RL commerce exists in SL - would it kill you to directly answer that question with concrete examples?

If the forum was private, how would people post?


Also, you own a domain and have webhosting space, why not just create your own forum? Why should LL, and in turn the entire community pay to support your little pet project? Put you money where your mouth and creat your own forum and your own continent.

Honestly maybe I got a little confused myself, I'm sorry for that. It happens when I get a few dozen posts at once. lol No biggie ok

Cat

Ah, so it is fine to help use it to offset your tier (by cashing out), but not fine for people who use it to be able to help pay bills - or even eat. Isn't that a double standard?

I said that because I have been repeating myself for 2 years. I'm tired of the head games Cristiano.

thanks again for yet another forum beat down

Stop fucking demanding me to answer you once would of been enough. You have jumped on my last nerve..

I asked you a legitimate question to understand, I am not beating you down, Catherine. Why do you start a topic and then not allow anyone to ask questions. I have asked respectful, logical questions, and you have not answered them. That is very clear. Don't act persecuted now.

I haven't demanded, I asked you - the fact that you can't just answer a direct question is very telling. As is your propensity to turn vulgar. Why are you so hostile, Catherine? I asked you simple, logical questions - you are the one who became belligerent.

Catherine,

Not a single of those points to you answering anything, or me demanding anything. It shows me asking a question. If you are so sensitive to any questions, perhaps you should consider private forums - you do not know how to participate in a discussion that does not include everyone being on board with your idea. I'm done with this thread - I am not going to go 50 rounds with you, it is pointless.

Your head games don't work anymore honey.

you mispelled create

I don't think there is business out there that can succeed by trying to meet everyone's expectation on what constitutes 'good for our time spent'. I think, for the most part, Linden Labs does a fairly good job of listening.... unfortunately, it is often listening to the small, but vocal segment of forums users as opposed to the larger population. This often means their feedback is myopic.



Consider they do not see it as a need that is great enough to balance the cost of meeting it. This would be a natural consideration of any business.

On the other hand, I can see a time where Linden Labs might choose to license their technology to either companies or individuals to allow them to create their own worlds. Perhaps even a time where such efforts might include an automatic mode of transport between then (as part of the license). This, to me, would much more literally meet their stated vision. But perhaps there is a fear of losing control (also not common in a product that has any degree of market equity).



Perhaps 'bitter' was too strong a word. You do, however, seem very resentful that your interests are not judged as viable. If it helps, it is rarely a judgement of the worth of the idea or the one presenting it.



The irony is, that in seeking to avoid one collective, you would inevitably create another.... even if the new one was more to your personal liking. (grin)



In all seriousness, a private sim with access only to approved members would go a long way toward meeting your interests. While it is not segregated from the rest of the world, it is as much so as can be done within it. If access is only given to those you have vetted, the end result is the same. Though I grant you that the knowledge the rest of the world is out there will still rankle.



It always is.... (smile)