Imagi Nation?

What is Imagi Nation?

You know how they have had the kiddie grid on our grid only we dont know its there? Well I prepose a new World called "Imagi Nation" also seperate from the main grid. After 2 years of fighting for artists and the right to just build with out rl commercialism I serioulsy am throwing in the towel for any hope that the main grid will ever be what I had hoped for SL.

What about Imagi Nation then? Where artists and players are free from the binds of RL and everything that goes with it? I want to know if anyone else is interested in living in this eutopia?

Player to player buying and selling of IW goods, kewl with me lets all cash in our lindens and pay our tier fees.

I pay for an entire server, just move it along with me.

RL commercialism, um no I have 0 interest in seeing Kotex Island tyvm.

I would suggest a seperate forum as well so that we dont ever have to argue about this again.

It wouldn't be impossible they are already doing it for the kiddie grid.

I am serious think about it at least

Cat

Catherine,

I want to understand your vision. Don't we currently have players selling stuff they create to each other, and no Kotex Islands? What element of commercialism that exists in SL right now do you want to remove?

I dont want to remove any of it, I would like to remove myself from it yet still enjoy my sl experience.

Are you saying there is no rl commercialism in sl now? wrongo there is and apparently the gates are not only wide open but LL is begging for it IMO. Now its just a matter of time.

I bet they have more fun in the teen forum.

I'm kinda jealous.

coco

Exactly a seperate forum would also be a hell of a lot more pleasent.

HA! Personally I suspect all they do in the teen grid is sit around trying to figure out how to get into the adult grid!

The grass is always greener....

Actually all I have seen in the past two days is a virtual pasture full of manure, still trying to get it off my boots.

Greener indeed.

Why do people spend so much time worrying about what everyone else is doing? SL has many of the same great people it did in the beginning plus a few thousand more great people. It has all the same tools only improved. It has creative people up the wazoo. What exactly is holding you back from living your second life the way you want to? Do we all have to play the same way in order of people to feel validated? No offense Cat, but I just don't get it.

I have given up hope that SL will ever be what I thought it would on the main grid, so instead of continuing to fight an obviously losing battle with some ppl in the fourms and LL I am suggesting an alternative. That can't be a bad thing. Seperate grid for like minded ppl with our own forums.

Some ppl would like to believe all I do is bring negativity to the table. Well I'm making a positive suggestion that will benifit those that feel the same way about SL as I do. We dont want to leave, nope we just don't don't want sl to be just like rl. It's not a job for a lot of us its a playground. Let us play.

Cat

I feel the same way. I've posted beofre about what I'd thought SL could be when I started here, and it really saddens me that it just doesn't seem to be maximizing that potential. Hell, it's not even coming close. I really take to heart the slogan "Your World, Your Imagination". I'd love nothing better than to see a place full of nothing but creative builds, whimsical areas, and just plain fun.

I am in, but only if we can re-enact some famous Civil War battles.

I nominate Debbie Downer for President of the SLConfederacy

Wouldn't that be "your world, my imagination"? Just askin'

Pickett's Charge? With the Lindens holding Meade's center, and Catherine out in front beneath the (states' rights) Stars and Bars?

I'll bring the Smores Schnapps!

ACK! Freudian slip! I mean on the teen GRID. Sometimes I have my silliest, funnest times with teenagers on games. It's especially fun since so many are smart, funny, kind - just all kinds of good things. They know how old I am, and vice versa, but sometimes being on other sides of the computer helps erase things like age. Well, practically ALL of the time, really.

Is there a teen forum? As for the grid, I figure it must be pretty limited right now. I tried to figure out how to get a young friend on it, and had some trouble coming up with the link for it.

I guess we'll just have to wait for the first batch of 17-year-olds to turn 18 and come tell us what's been going on over there.

coco

Philip once said that there would be balance in SL it was a priority. The balance is gone, has been for a long time. So where do creaive types like me fit in? Somewhere between the www.buy my shit.com the radio advertizements or next to the ppl telling me that this is the new reality the new web and to treat sl like rl? How about none of the above. Why can't I suggest a place for like minded ppl without a bunch of smart asses jumping in the thread and tearing those ideas to bits. Balance my ass.

Imagi Nation

yeah I realy dig that idea.

I think some of the "commercialism will ruin SL" is very reminiscent of the "commercialism will ruin the internet" debate of the early 90's. For a tingly feeling, read this. Or this. Taking into account the state of technology when things like that were written, think about how the unfolding of technology affects the future of SL. We're watching what amounts to embrionic twitches -- the unfolding metaverse will morph quite radically over time, even though the terminology we use to talk about it won't. There were no virtual dogs on the internet in 1995!

To those of us who were plugged into the great "commercialization of the internet" debates of the late 80's and early 90's, there is an eerie similarity to a lot of the emotions of SL. I think that's what Phillip means by SL being "like the internet" -- not that it is exactly like the internet, but that the nature of its evolution is similar.

Buster

Catherine, you have an island sim. Get some like-minded folks to come live with you. Maybe if you get enough people, they or you (plural) can buy another sim and have LL place it next door.

If the idea grows, you can build your own continent. You can make your own rules. This is where I see LL leading us anyway, especially after listening to Phillip the other day. If you don't want any radio ads, forbid them. Likewise for the other things you don't like about SL. No one is forcing you to listen to ads. You turn the player button off in preferences, and voila, no ads. I do it all the time when I am shopping or flying around.

Create a third party site forums for your continent. Require a password, then no one can bug you.

I am sorry, I have to say this is a bad idea. First, LL would never do this. They are trying to find ways to pay for servers already. Do you think they are going to make a separate continent, with a separate forums, for a certain group?

If so, would you agree that I should be able to demand and receive a special place for my circle of friends and I?

Who will pay for these sims?

There are things I don't like about SL. I think ALL of us share that trait. However, for me, the good outweighs the bad 100 fold, so I try not to let those things I don't like drag me down.

Catherine, you are very talented. I have several of your Toyz, I have your wagon, they are works of art. Nothing can stop you from logging in and making more. Not ads, not forum posters, not people selling things, not Coca -Cola, no one.

God, I WISH I had my own sim, and honestly, I don't know why you can't just count your blessings, and live and let live.

I remember that Buster, and I do beleive I had the same views back then. Which is probably why im accepting defeat now

Good thoughts tho thanks for the nice read

Cat

Clair owns the sim to the south of mine.
Wouldn't I then be a prisoner on my own island?

The simple fact of the matter is LL keeps pushing for these commercial changes. a good amount of the same posters keep pushing for what LL pushes. I dont want to keep having the same damn arguements everytime I speak my views.
It gets old fast and, life is too short.

I am asking in this thread if anyone would be interested in this idea as well.

See the part of my post where I say "continent". It sounds like this is what you want, by the way. To secede from the rest of SL. Newsflash, you already have. You and your partner own 2 adjacent sims! This could be the core of your communal grid.


So if they keep pushing for these changes, what makes you think they are going to hand you a commercialism free grid, with it's own forums? Again, who will pay for this?

Oh, I agree here, wholeheartedly!

I'm not. Though I would certainly like to have two sims to do whatever I wanted with. I certainly wouldn't be here complaining about what goes on elsewhere.

No RL commercialism in SL and LL isn't backing it up huh? Just now saw a movie done by www.natualselection.com they have done several good films in sl Philip just replied and said "Loved it" so I went to their web to check it out....

"Natural Selection Studios (NSS) is a filming and editing company founded by Keith Steinbach. The goal of NSS is to make high quality, very detailed videos not only in real life, but also in the online gaming world called Second Life. Great pride is taken where their features are shown. Being more than happy to turn your world, into a movie."

Was on their first page.

I'm not calling them on the carpet, like i said the film was good. I am however making my point clear. There is a lot of RL commercialism in SL. While some may turn a blind eye to this evolution my eyes are wide open and again I just want to play in a virtual world.

Cat

Bleh. You were being sarcastic 'over there'.

Anyway -- what is stopping you from opening a barter only cooperative? If there are people interested in the same thing, they would flock to you in droves. If not, it will wither and die.

You don't need a seperate grid to test the strength of your vision. Not if you really want to see if it is feasible in it's own right.

There are barter cooperatives that exist in the real world, despite all that nasty, ugly, dirty capitalism and commercialism, you know.

It can happen.

p.s.: Asking here is like walking into a kosher deli and asking for a processed weiner. if you think it has merit, do it. If you're right, it will fly. Or are the only risks worth taking the ones you think will succeed? You do realise that's commercialism, right? (grin)

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Originally Posted by Catherine Cotton
Clair owns the sim to the south of mine.
Wouldn't I then be a prisoner on my own island?
See the part of my post where I say "continent". It sounds like this is what you want, by the way. To secede from the rest of SL. Newsflash, you already have. You and your partner own 2 adjacent sims! This could be the core of your communal grid.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Catherine Cotton
The simple fact of the matter is LL keeps pushing for these commercial changes. A good amount of the same posters keep pushing for what LL pushes. I dont want to keep having the same damn arguements everytime I speak my views.

So if they keep pushing for these changes, what makes you think they are going to hand you a commercialism free grid, with it's own forums? Again, who will pay for this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Catherine Cotton
It gets old fast and, life is too short.
Oh, I agree here, wholeheartedly!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Catherine Cotton
I am asking in this thread if anyone would be interested in this idea as well.
I'm not. Though I would certainly like to have two sims to do whatever I wanted with. I certainly wouldn't be here complaining about what goes on elsewhere.
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Nolan I don't like the way SL is headed. I would like a seperate grid for like minded ppl. A seperate contient is not the same. I would like the ability to leave the place I and my partner have created to see someone elses builds. Right now I rarely leave because I see a lot of which that does smack of blatent commercialism.

Guess the bottom line is if your not interested in this idea, don't post to this tread. Its an open discussion to kick around the idea not to kick around the original poster.

I'm not asking that they hand me anything. I'm asking if other ppl feel the same as I do. If there is a lot of positive interest generated from this thread I think that LL will recognize the need. If they want to suceed then they have to listen to their entire customer base not just the ppl that share their agenda.

I wonder if there is a need.

Cat

Thats one idea but I think ppl making money in SL is great too. I have often said if we could all pay our land tier fees from our goods and services IW that would be fantastic. Let them sell their created items to each other let them cash it in on the GOM I am not against that

IMO there is a huge rl and sl commercialism difference between buying someones clothes in world and walking into a store in sl that sells rl merchansdise.

I would love to give it a try but alienating myself from the main grid is not the answer when anyone can tp out and see what they are trying to avoid to begin with.