Mozilla being intergrated into SL in the next update?

Actually, I think it was more about being harried constantly by a vulture who pecks at your liver eternally...

Oh yes lets jump on cat cus shes on vacation and doesn't want to spend it answering fuckwards in the forums. Gawd forbid!

No no lets wait lets make her answer us a few times then point out that she hasn't left yet. yes yes that will drive her bonkers too!

Yup Fuck your opinions SLU I.

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Originally Posted by Catherine Cotton
a)Nope Hiro that was a question using the information that was quoted above as a reference. My style of writting differs from others I will agree with that. Yet I wanted to know why Mozilla was chosen was it because he was on the board of directors? That fact was presented by the newsletter first not by me.


Then you'd best change. It's not a "style" of writing. It is simply incorrect and fails to successfully communicate your ideas properly. As you say now, you could have just asked "Was the reason ... XYZ?" People aren't mindreaders. They can't predict where question marks are supposed to be.

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This is not easy reply to a reply of a reply. This is your opinion Hiro. I like the way I write, I am an individual. I am sorry that my style does not conform to your way of thinking perhaps if ppl just took my words for what they were instead of trying to read more into than what exists we would not have this problem ================================
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b) I also asked why not IE


I'm not challenging this. I did provide some insight for you.

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c) I always state things as I see them, I always write my opinions that is my style.


I've found people are much more able to communicate without offending if they add the words "I think" or "My opinion is" before an opinion. A successful communicator must consider the audience; hiding behind a style in a persuasive format (such as this forum) is not a valid excuse.

Try it.

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Hiro I will try to think that you have my best interest at heart here, but I am not a child who needs a lesson here. I am sorry you don’t “get me” I am sure there are ppl who don’t “get you” that however does not give me the right to step in and say “Hiro, you must change” any more than it gives you the right to tell me to change.
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What I could of should of might of done. Why I think its best to put my questions concerns and opinions out there frankly and honestly. To do other wise would in fact be a hidden agenda would it not. You see Hiro no matter how I put things here in the forums it realy doesn't matter there are those who will disagree just because its me saying it. The only person I realy have to answer to is myself. So ppl disagree with the way I put things out there thats ok. Honstly yes the connection between mitch and LL and Modzilla certainly does still bother me.


Catherine,

Honesty and frankness are fine. I'm not questioning this, I'm pointing out that the format does not successfully communicate the frankness and honesty that you are trying to convey. I'm saying that you can alter the way you present your thoughts in a way that better represents what you actually think; it's clear that people took it the wrong way.

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Its clear to me that the same ppl took what I said in a negative way as they always have. Other ppl understood exactly what I said.
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Now other questions I also had have not been addressed:

Will this cause more lag? Will it affect the stability of SL?


These are questions with any feature.

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And they are still unanswered
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Lets not keep harping on the obvious. Some of my concerns were layed to rest, yes.

Will I change my style? Nope. I am me.


Again, hiding behind "I am what I am" is not a valid excuse. If you post here, your intent is to persuade. You cannot expect to persuade someone on your terms; it's contradictory to the whole concept. You speak in terms that most people can understand, and you clarify when misunderstood. It's your responsibility as the speaker. At best, it is the interlocutor's responsibility to ask "What did you mean?" but again, they are not psychic. They can only decipher your intent from your words.

And on a more philosophical level, a person is never a static thing; a person is constantly changing, and so "I am me" is a deceptive statement. It presumes that "me" is a changing being. So your insistence that you are you doesn't really have anything to do with your choice not to be more clear, and less accusatory in your approach

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That is your opinion. What I am is a person who posted their concerns and opinions as an individual. Some will agree some will disagree and I am ok with that. What ppl don’t seem to get about me is;
I feel a need to share my opinion good or bad. It is not however to win the hearts of ppl or their admiration. I feel that if I am feeling this way I bet others are too. It’s kinda nice to see an opinion every now and then that reflects a persons thoughts with no hidden agenda.

Regardless of my writing style some will disagree with me because it is me posting. That much is abundantly clear. It’s your opinion that I need to conform to a certain standard, I think your wrong.

It's really interesting... Some people seem to behave exactly the same way in Internet forums regardless of their culutre and language. And they have to come back again and again telling "I couldn't care less about what you ppl say. I have better things to do IRL".

BTW, here's my two yens to the idea that Mozilla is just a logical choice and nothing more. You have to be very careful not to tread upon Mitch Kapor if you're looking for something open-source to work with. His name is all over the place.

No offense meant. Just curious about universal human behaviour.

Catherine, apparently my explanation was simply not clear enough for you.

If you are going to share your opinions on a public forum, you need to be as clear as possible or your point will be lost.

Period.

It is your responsibility to get your point accross. If you are saying you choose to ignore this fact, then please stop being surprised when so many reply negatively to you simply because you don't choose to make your points more clearly.

In case it's not obvious, everyone has misunderstood what you are saying in this thread.

I pointed out that it was because of how you phrased your first post. You chose to ignore this. This amounts, basically, to saying something stupid intentionally, then letting people flame you, then flaming them back because it's not what you mean. That's just trolling, plain and simple. Please take responsibility for your posts - be as clear as possible and stop hiding behind "Oh, it's just how I write".

Your post was a persuasive piece. If no one understands you well enough (as you claim), then it is your writing, not their lack of psychic ability.

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Hiro just because I wasn't clear enough for you doesn't mean I wasn't clear enough for others. Its not my responsibility to do anything but be true to myself and do the best I can. What others chose to do is their responsibility. The only ppl who react to me negativily are the same handful of ppl that have been doing the exact same thing since the moment I spoke out about commercialism in these forums. That was 2 years ago.

I think those that want to read negativity into my posts probably read negativity into all posts. I think those that can sit back with an open mind do this forum the most good.

Do you know me personally do you know my physical condition. my mental state? Maybe I am doing the best that I can and maybe you have no right to sit in judgment of what my abilities or disabilities are.

What I hear you saying is unless I write my posts in the format in which you think they need to be written then I am clearly wrong. I disagree with that presumption when you have no idea about the person behind this keyboard. That may be the case if I were your student or you were a professional lecturer and I was paying you to coach me but neither are the case. If I am not clear enough for you I apologize this is the best I can do.

BTW: the FACT that you called me out on this publicly and not others who can barely function much less type; makes me wonder about your motivations now.

Cat

Catherine, I judged my statements not just but what I interpreted, but others in the thread. I'm not blind.


It's not about negative / positive. It's about Question vs. Statement. You made a statement and you claim it was a question.


This isn't about judging the quality of your posts. It's about judging the accuracy.
Is (thing you posted) == (thing you claim you intended)? No.


question != statement

This isn't like, complicated.

Here too hiro? Can you take a breather ? Maybe get some rest.. ;0 You are really are a little over the top sometimes man ;0 I love you still! You are my <3

My opinion:

Your wrong. Period.

Clear enough for you? Clear enough for you!

Cat

Just tell him like I did.. Hiro I love you! You are my <3 ! Please my darling, lighten up!

Hiro I love you! You are my <3 ! Please my darling, lighten up!

Yikes that was an eyesore to read it all.

Any way. The lindens have allready explained fully on the forums and other places the reasons and the ways that the moz core is being added to sl. so why for the love of god are you not reading what they have said ?

For anyone that has missed the linden posts and what not.

No popups
No extras (ie flash, well yet)
It will be added to the sl.exe of a space of about 3 megs
No having to download anything extra
The moz code was picked because it was mature and cross platform

And for anytone still convinced that LL is being controled by the backers, you realy need to look at the past of all the staff and ask yourself , does it even bloody matter if its for the better ?

please share your links/sources for your information apparently some of us have not read that much about this topic.

as for your question "And for anytone still convinced that LL is being controled by the backers, you realy need to look at the past of all the staff and ask yourself , does it even bloody matter if its for the better ?"

Yes it absolutly does matter.

Right im searching for the posts and what not now, I will update this post with them as I find them again. Look for the linden posts.

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Thanks much here are two more

modzilla.org

modzilla fourms

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