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MrsJakal Suavage
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09-23-2005 18:56
From: Cocoanut Koala
These arguments that that is the way the forums are and that it happens to everyone and everyone is supposed to like it or lump it are flawed.

It doesn't happen, if you know the right butts to kiss and the right bullies to get in with.

And no, it shouldn't be this way. A forum labeled "General" (and this behavior is by NO MEANS limited to General) should be available for all, to post in with an expectation of having their opinions treated respectfully.

coco


It is what it is. It is not right but its definitely not flawed. I never said harassment of any individual is right (with the exception if its in defense, IMHO). People may feel that you calling them asskissers and bullies is a form of harassment. Now go try to make World Peace happen.

MJ
Jauani Wu
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09-23-2005 18:56
From: Cristiano Midnight
Jauani is sarcastic with EVERYONE
let's qualify that with everyone that is being ridiculous
From: someone
he posts often just to be contrary
that is incorrect - i really did think the upskirt gallery was a sophisticated art installation
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Susie Boffin
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09-23-2005 18:57
I want to add that once someone in the forums said to me, "I bet you are the kind of person who drives a SUV in real life." I was so devastated that I considered ending my life but settled instead for crying for days on end.

How did they know I drive a SUV in real life?
Cristiano Midnight
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09-23-2005 18:59
From: Cocoanut Koala
Just what is your role, Cristiano? I have given some thought to that quesiton.

coco


I don't feel the need to play a role, Cocoanut. I am just myself. I roll with the punches, I don't cry foul when someone says boo to me, and I express my opinions. I will come to someone's defense (including yours) when I feel it warrants it, but I am more about personal responsibility. I stand behind what I say. I don't make excuses for it, I don't make a personal attack and then tell someone else how horrible they are for making personal attacks. I don't pretend to be perfect, or to occupy any higher intellectual, moral, or spiritual ground than anyone else. I call a spade a spade when I see it - I am not afraid about being politically correct, though I do try to be diplomatic if it warrants it.

I come into these forums to have fun, to laugh, to discuss things, to argue, to think, to grow, and to talk about something that I am passionate about. No one paved the way for me, I did that myself, just as anyone has to do. I wasn't born into some in crowd, I am just me. You from the very start have talked about how different you are, how people like YOU are the future of SL, and will save it from the quagmire it has become. It is elitist,and quite frankly, preposterous. You are no better, nor any worse, than any one of us, just a lot more holier than thou.
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-23-2005 19:00
From: Cristiano Midnight
Again, practice what you preach, Cocoanut, since you are so fond of copying from the TOS. Take personal responsibility and quit claiming that provocation or anything justifies you acting in the way you admonish others for acting. You are soley responsible for your actions. You must not be that afraid of the risks after all, since you have partaken in insults and personal attacks as well. I know you will say "but but but but". There is no but. If you are going to stand in judgement of everyone else and play the role of forum nanny, then your behavior better as hell be beyond reproach. Otherwise, it is do as I say, not as I do, and that is complete and utter bullshit.

I have no problem with my actions and words wanting to clean up these forums and make them more endurable for posters, as well as better for SL.

Now you can call me nanny or Saint Coco all you want. But it could also be that I just tell it like it is and you don't like it.

No, my behavior needn't be beyond reproach. I don't claim to be perfect. I claim to want a forums that approximate what one is led to expect from the TOS.

You know, you can keep tossing the accusations at me because I'm trying to do something about this. Why don't you start throwing accusations at other people - for example, one who gratuitously writes an entire condescending post to a new poster just so he can hear himself talk?

You're fine when people you like are treating others like dirt. You're not fine when someone calls them on it.

Better yet, why don't you try being the target of some of this for a change, instead of always castigating those who are the targets?

coco

P.S. You do play a role, Cristiano. Yes, you are just yourself, as I am just myself. But if you are going to try to pigeon-hole me into some kind of martyr role and castigate me for it ("stop crying, or we'll beat you again";) then I get to speculate on the role you play here, too.
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-23-2005 19:00
From: Cocoanut Koala
Not a deal. Read the TOS.

Exactly what TOS are you going by?

coco


Exactly what TOS are you going by when you are disrespectful?
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Susie Boffin
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09-23-2005 19:02
Oh god Cristiano now you started 100000 word posts by someone. Hush!!!!!
MrsJakal Suavage
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09-23-2005 19:03
From: Susie Boffin
Oh god Cristiano now you started 100000 word posts by someone. Hush!!!!!


I bet you drive a SUV :p
Jauani Wu
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09-23-2005 19:03
From: Cocoanut Koala
Yep. They told me I was the worst person on earth; still do. It was all my fault, of course.


i would love to see references to this. did this happen on this forum or the make believe one?
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-23-2005 19:04
From: Cristiano Midnight
Exactly what TOS are you going by when you are disrespectful?

If somebody says something, and somebody else beats up that person for saying something, then yes, I am going to say that person is a bully. Or a cool kid.

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09-23-2005 19:05
From: Cristiano Midnight
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Cristiano, I have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to ethiopia/somalia. I have never particpated in a topic where that was referenced.

Secondly, this thread isn't a, about _me_ in particular. Regardless of any tangles I've gotten into here, it is clear to me (and others) that some here try to run the forums to their liking and are generally mean-spirited.

Whether it's noobs or not.

I would appreciate if everyone in this thread would keep it in mind when commenting.

Let me be clear on this so there is no mistake.

This thread isn't about ME. Please don't make it so.

Attempts do so will be met with more reminders to not do so.

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Side note:

I promise to read everyone's comments and respond as needed. I am, however, moments away from boarding my flight home.
Cristiano Midnight
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09-23-2005 19:06
From: Cocoanut Koala
I have no problem with my actions and words wanting to clean up these forums and make them more endurable for posters, as well as better for SL.

Now you can call me nanny or Saint Coco all you want. But it could also be that I just tell it like it is and you don't like it.

No, my behavior needn't be beyond reproach. I don't claim to be perfect. I claim to want a forums that approximate what one is led to expect from the TOS.

You know, you can keep tossing the accusations at me because I'm trying to do something about this. Why don't you start throwing accusations at other people - for example, one who gratuitously writes an entire condescending post to a new poster just so he can hear himself talk?

You're fine when people you like are treating others like dirt. You're not fine when someone calls them on it.

Better yet, why don't you try being the target of some of this for a change, instead of always castigating those who are the targets?

coco


I don't dislike your efforts to improve things, I dislike your hypocrisy and selective admonishment of others. When you see a kindred spirit in someone, then you just gloss over whatever it is they are doing to coddle them and protect them from the wicked forum mob. Ultimately, I don't feel it is my place to tell someone how to behave - I am not their parent, their prison warden, nor their boss. They have to answer to LL, to themselves, and ultimately whatever deity or non-deity or whatever they answer to. I do however feel perfectly fine telling someone to shut up and judge themselves instead.

As far as being a target, I spent months being a target of your psychotic friend. I am still mentioned on a nearly daily basis by them in some way. I also dealt for a long time with near constant attacks from someone in these forums. I know you think you invented the forum whipping post role, but many other people have been through things, we just don't feel the need to rehash them over and over.
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-23-2005 19:07
From: Susie Boffin
Oh god Cristiano now you started 100000 word posts by someone. Hush!!!!!


Sorry. BTW, do you drive an SUV?
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-23-2005 19:08
From: Cristiano Midnight
I don't dislike your efforts to improve things, I dislike your hypocrisy and selective admonishment of others. When you see a kindred spirit in someone, then you just gloss over whatever it is they are doing to coddle them and protect them from the wicked forum mob. Ultimately, I don't feel it is my place to tell someone how to behave - I am not their parent, their prison warden, nor their boss. They have to answer to LL, to themselves, and ultimately whatever deity or non-deity or whatever they answer to. I do however feel perfectly fine telling someone to shut up and judge themselves instead.

As far as being a target, I spent months being a target of your psychotic friend. I am still mentioned on a nearly daily basis by them in some way. I also dealt for a long time with near constant attacks from someone in these forums. I know you think you invented the forum whipping post role, but many other people have been through things, we just don't feel the need to rehash them over and over.

No, I didn't invent it, and I wasn't the first, and I obviously won't be the last.

Those who gotta have someone to whip invented it. And that is what I am opposed to.

coco
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MrsJakal Suavage
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09-23-2005 19:08
From: DogSpot Boxer


I suggest that the problem children here who seem to thrive on trolling and provoking people pay careful attention to what you post. Because you will be taken to task for boorish behavior here. I know how to AR and I will not be shy about using it.

You should also realize that I now understand your tactics and I will not be provoked into violating the TOS. So don't bother. If you do try to provoke me, I'll AR it and laugh at you.

I speak for only myself, but I am confident that there are other forum members who feel that this board has been dominated by malcontents for too long and that it is not a generally friendly place to be unless you're part of the in-crowd.



The way you worded this section made it appear to be about you. Just sayin.
Jauani Wu
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09-23-2005 19:09
From: Cristiano Midnight
I come into these forums to have fun, to laugh, to discuss things, to argue, to think, to grow, and to talk about something that I am passionate about.
you forgot dhrama. you come for the dhrama
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Jauani Wu
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09-23-2005 19:09
From: Cocoanut Koala
If somebody says something, and somebody else beats up that person for saying something, then yes, I am going to say that person is a bully. Or a cool kid.

does that make you a bully coco?
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-23-2005 19:10
From: DogSpot Boxer
Cristiano, I have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to ethiopia/somalia. I have never particpated in a topic where that was referenced.

Secondly, this thread isn't a, about _me_ in particular. Regardless of any tangles I've gotten into here, it is clear to me (and others) that some here try to run the forums to their liking and are generally mean-spirited.

Whether it's noobs or not.

I would appreciate if everyone in this thread would keep it in mind when commenting.

Let me be clear on this so there is no mistake.

This thread isn't about ME. Please don't make it so.

Attempts do so will be met with more reminders to not do so.


DogSpot,

It was the thread about the Katrina fundraiser auction. As far this thread not being about you, you made quite a strong declaration about how the hegemony was over and you were going to start kicking ass and taking names. How is this thread not about you again?
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-23-2005 19:10
From: Jauani Wu
you forgot dhrama. you come for the dhrama


No I come for the cybersex via private messages with Panda. I stay for the dhrama.
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-23-2005 19:13
Make up your mind who it's going to be about.

According to Ulrika and Co., it's supposed to be about me.

Maybe it's not about ANYONE in PARTICULAR.

Maybe it is about, in general -
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09-23-2005 19:15
Yay you have turned a page, Cocoanut, I am proud of you.
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09-23-2005 19:18
From: Cocoanut Koala
These arguments that that is the way the forums are and that it happens to everyone and everyone is supposed to like it or lump it are flawed.

It doesn't happen, if you know the right butts to kiss and the right bullies to get in with.

And no, it shouldn't be this way. A forum labeled "General" (and this behavior is by NO MEANS limited to General) should be available for all, to post in with an expectation of having their opinions treated respectfully.

coco


I take umbrage with this. I've been using these forums for a while now, and I don't kiss anyone's ass or join any bullies, and yet I don't end up in sparring matches with someone or several someones in every single thread I enter. I always speak my mind, and I always stand up for myself. (and others when I feel it's warranted) I've agreed and disagreed with various people here very passionately, (even your demonized 'cool kids') and it's always been water under the bridge when the next hot topic rolled around.

It doesn't have anything to do with kissing peoples' asses or joining in with bullies. If you're having such problems that this is the only way you think anyone gets by without constant flaming, maybe you need to look at your own posting style, because it most certainly is not happening to everyone.
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09-23-2005 19:18
From: Cristiano Midnight
DogSpot,

It was the thread about the Katrina fundraiser auction. As far this thread not being about you, you made quite a strong declaration about how the hegemony was over and you were going to start kicking ass and taking names. How is this thread not about you again?


We can either discuss the topic at hand or we can discuss me. If you choose to discuss me, I'll simply ignore your posts.

I really hate being a hard-ass in this regard, but the fact is that it is often a misdirection tactic. I simply won't play that game.

As to how it's "not about me", I think it's kinda obvious. Yes, *I* am the one raising the issue, but the context, while including me, is not exclusively me.

You surely understand that while I am at the pointy end of the stick here, I am not alone in my concerns.

Trust me when I say that I will ignore your posts. I don't want to because I see you as someone who's pretty smart. But I will.
Cristiano Midnight
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09-23-2005 19:24
From: DogSpot Boxer
We can either discuss the topic at hand or we can discuss me. If you choose to discuss me, I'll simply ignore your posts.

I really hate being a hard-ass in this regard, but the fact is that it is often a misdirection tactic. I simply won't play that game.

As to how it's "not about me", I think it's kinda obvious. Yes, *I* am the one raising the issue, but the context, while including me, is not exclusively me.

You surely understand that while I am at the pointy end of the stick here, I am not alone in my concerns.

Trust me when I say that I will ignore your posts. I don't want to because I see you as someone who's pretty smart. But I will.


I am not playing a game. Your original post seemed very much about your experiences, and having seen many of your posts, I just have not seen anything from my perspective that warrants this stance against the "hegemony". While the topic may not be about you exclusively, I was trying to understand what has been so horrible in your experience that you are lashing out about it here. If you don't want to answer, or ignore me, that is your perogative.
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JackBurton Faulkland
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09-23-2005 19:29
From: Cocoanut Koala
These arguments that that is the way the forums are and that it happens to everyone and everyone is supposed to like it or lump it are flawed.


coco

I agree with coco here but I offer another explanation. Just because something is one way or another does not make it right. By the logic you guys are using you would have to conceed that slavery was ok because that was the way it was or segregation was ok because thats the way it was. This argument is ignorant and not well thought out.
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