Second Accounts and Ethics

What's unclear about "First land"?

Gathering opinions, Siggy. Discussing it.

Plus, if we're gonna get trounced for mentioning buying first land with our Second Alt then, as Pendari suggests, maybe they ought to change policy on it or something.

coco

Yes, I plan on keeping it forever.

coco

First Land for each account!

coco

Eggy, don't take up for her hypocritical ass. When she was looking for land and there wasn't enough a terrible injustice was done, now that she is screwing someone else, well it just seems ok because the rule isn’t written in 10 foot letters. She created this thread with the clear intent of flaming myself and Cristiano for questioning her ethics and now this thread is backfiring on her.

But why bother if you already have your mind made up? Why gather opinions if you just say 'well I think it's all cool'?

Unless, of course, you only want the opinions that fall in line with your already set opinion.

For the record, I think it's bullshit. Feel free to disregard that.

I'm really not seeing how SS did anything wrong. The system is pretty clearly set up to allow each new paid permanent account to buy First Land. He bought two accounts -- he's entitled to two First Land purchases. Is this a "hole" in the system? If so it sounds like it'd be a lot of work to exploit it in any big way.

In any event -- what if SS gives the alt account to his spouse? That should make it all better, shouldn't it? Or, barring spouse, perhaps if SS goes just a little bit schizo . . . ?

Jess

As I explained, I considered the "spirit of First Land" to apply to new ACCOUNTS, not temporary accounts made for the express purpose of buying up all the first land that becomes available.

What about that is so hard to explain?

Yes, I think it sucks that people buy up all the first land before anyone looking for it (with a new, real account) gets a chance at it.

But that's different from an actual new account looking for it, and anyway, there is enough of it now.

And that brings up yet another question: If, in fact, land dealers get their land by, for one method, buying up the first land with alts, is that bad? Worse? Good overall? Or do they do that at all?

Yes, I have a clear intent of getting feedback on this accusation that I am unethical for buying First Land with my new, real account.

coco
P.S. I'm not screwing ANYONE else. I'm buying my First Land, and the right to do so came with my paying monthly for the new account.

pfft. Eggy. Even you can't deny this is an issue.

This is not what you said here:

If you think it's ok for 5 accounts used by the same person to get first land, then what is the issue with selling said land? I don't think it matters what you do with it really, it's the fact you're able to pull it away from real newbies that is the issue.

Frankly, I am a bit shocked that someone who purports themself to be a champion of newbies thinks this is ethical. It's resource hogging, plain and simple. Anyway, I am hopping off the bus, enjoy your revisionist semantics.

Do you understand that you are contradicting yourself in the same post?

You bought a plot of land that was designated first land which denies a real new resident the chance to buy it. It is crystal clear.

As I said - several times now - I was talking about people using alts to buy a bunch of first land to then sell as a land seller.

NOT a new, real account, intending to really stay as that person and use that land.

coco

Yes. Second time I call out Coco on an issue. And she is blind to my response but attacks others. WTF??


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At least if she wants to be mad at someone for bringing something up, let her read every damn post for a change in a thread.

No, Eboni, because I understand First Land to mean something for each new (real) paid-for ACCOUNT.

You are understanding it to mean a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, which was never stated anywhere, and isn't even set up to work that way.

Buying and discarding alts - for the purpose of snatching up all the First Land - WOULD be gaming the system. Simply buying the First Land with your new, actual account, isn't.

coco

Shocked? You win a t-shirt.

Yeah, and I am saying that is splitting hairs!

Are you saying that you should not be able to sell first land if you gain it through multiple accounts? Is that right? So you must keep it forever? Meh. You are wheedling.

OK, then, you, Cristiano, and Eboni.

Point is, the QUESTION.

Not me being blind or whatever else you want to throw in here.

coco

No. You can sell it.

Every time you get a new account, then you get this one-time chance.

Creating a passel of alts to buy up all the First Land so that you can then sell it later on, that is what is gaming the system.

coco

LOL. I don't see any difference.

I think it's unethical, especially given that every couple months we have shortages. If people weren't sucking up extra first land with alts, we very well might not have these shortages. Just three weeks before you created Shortbread, newbies were complaining.

So.. you can absorb the land at that deeply discoutned price by using alts... so long as you don't resell?

Well, I see your point.

Hopefully Pendari will get some elucidation on this matter.

coco

P.S. I know newbies were complaining, Nolan; I was one of those newbies complaining, cause I was looking for first land for coco, and there wasn't any.

I am gonna give up Jillian, she is playing circular logic word games. Not worth the time spent.

No, more like, so long as yours is a REAL account you really intend to use.

But I might be wrong about even THAT. I mean, I don't see anything wrong with land dealers buying First Land off actual people. Those people make a tidy profit, and the land dealer can then offer the land for more consolidated use, or to nearby neighbors.

But I was getting the gist - when I was looking for Coco -, that land dealers were creating alts off trial accounts for the express purpose of getting this land then giving it to themselves.

I was thinking that was bad. But is it?

Now, at $10 an alt, that probably is no longer being done, which is probably why we are not seeing a shortage of First Land now.

Right?

And even if it is being done, would that be unethical?

coco

Yes, it would be unethical. Yes.

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I don't have Pendari's patience.