What is the REAL issue?
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Mex Thorn
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09-28-2005 08:33
I dont know why Lindens wanna ruin it for businesses like GOM and IGE.
There will be nowhere for anyone to trade L$ for USD for the prices they want and without all this extra BS that LL wants to do. With the way money has been, its been shifting all over. I think they want to make a system something like There where you can buy money within the game but they dont want any involvement, so it looks. But to me it looks like they want to take the ecnomy more into they're hands.
With the increase of the cost to rate which was supposed to balance the ecnomy and made a few things crazy. Now they want to mess with it even more.
Soon L$ wont mean anything and just be a number.
What do you think? 
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Kris Ritter
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09-28-2005 08:34
I think there are an awful lot of threads on the same subject.
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Mex Thorn
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09-28-2005 08:36
There is but they are all drownded with replys.
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09-28-2005 08:42
From: Mex Thorn There is but they are all drownded with replys. Well we can avoid that here if you want?  damn I replied!
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Buster Peel
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09-28-2005 08:44
yea, all the other threads on this subject are cluttered with posts. Too much reading. We need a new thread that doesn't have so much stuff in it.
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Jesrad Seraph
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09-28-2005 08:48
Let's wish for less clutter in this thread then.
Ooops !
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Simple Chaos
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09-28-2005 08:48
Yeah - so let's change this threads topic to something more important.
I here there's free sex going on somewhere in SL. I love it when it's cheap, but free -- I'm there. In RL or SL - don't matter.
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Katiahnya Muromachi
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09-28-2005 08:51
From: Buster Peel yea, all the other threads on this subject are cluttered with posts. Too much reading. We need a new thread that doesn't have so much stuff in it. Indeed, and I see a couple of thread titles on the first General page that aren't about the whole GOM drama. You people are slacking! Surely someone can come up with an explanation that links Tibetan freedom movement, the collapse of the Linden dollar, and why Pauly Shore is still on TV..
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Jesrad Seraph
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09-28-2005 08:53
Awww stop posting already, people ! Ruining a perfectly clutter-free thread ! 
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Khamon Fate
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09-28-2005 08:59
The real issue is that "Your World, Your Imagination" has turned out to be meaningless drivel. Things that would make this our world such as user-maintained money markets (GOM), terraformability, a client API, working vehicles (Havok2), p2p teleportation, hookable scripting (mono), workable group features, and ground texturing, have been talked to death, praised to Heaven, and conveniently left out of release after release after release.
Instead of fully implementing XML/RPC, LL have decided to implement, inhouse, the one service that wholly relied on the technology and was critical to the vision statement. This is not a problem as much as it's a recognizable pattern. It's what we know to expect; take it or leave it.
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09-28-2005 09:03
The font the original post is displaying in is ugly and hard to read on my system. The default font is ridiculously easy to read even when it is teeny tiny.
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Katiahnya Muromachi
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09-28-2005 09:12
From: SuezanneC Baskerville The font the original post is displaying in is ugly and hard to read on my system. The default font is ridiculously easy to read even when it is teeny tiny. Which always leads me to wonder why posters like Juro K. never use the default forum font. Nothing against Century Gothic.. it's pretty, it just when I am reading a thread, then all of a sudden I see someone switch up the font that makes their post stand out, it throws off my train of concentration on the discussion. Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's just another attempt to derail a thread on an already hackeneyed subject.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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09-28-2005 09:17
From: Mex Thorn I dont know why Lindens wanna ruin it for businesses like GOM and IGE.
From: someone There will be nowhere for anyone to trade L$ for USD for the prices they want and without all this extra BS that LL wants to do.
Uh, all that "extra BS" is the Linden's trading market, to, you know, trade money around. Sounds like GOM.
From: someone With the way money has been, its been shifting all over. I think they want to make a system something like There where you can buy money within the game but they dont want any involvement, so it looks. But to me it looks like they want to take the ecnomy more into they're hands.
How do you figure? This is going to be GOM integrated into the client, run by the Lindens. They're not printing money, like There does. They've said numerous times they wouldn't.
Of course, I imagine the more negative members of our community will say that LLabs can't keep their word, evil corporate monopolists, blah blah blah, but after awhile it's just so much fucking hubris.
From: someone With the increase of the cost to rate which was supposed to balance the ecnomy and made a few things crazy. Now they want to mess with it even more.
Two completely separate issues. There is too much money in the economy. Money sinks fix that. They are fixing that. But it won't be overnight, much to the chagrin of so many residents with short attention spans and an itchy forum post finger.
From: someone Soon L$ wont mean anything and just be a number.
It was like that before 1.2, and was fine by me then too. The fact that I can make some extra money dinking around in a social environment is a nice bonus, but I'll be here regardless if i'm making the "phat lewt" or not.
LF
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Mex Thorn
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09-28-2005 09:24
From: Jesrad Seraph Let's wish for less clutter in this thread then.
Ooops ! What I meant was in alot of other posts people forget about the main topic and start talking about something completely different.
I think that happened here anyway 
And I guess this topic has been done way too many times
Adios, ~Mex
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09-28-2005 09:26
From: Khamon Fate The real issue is that "Your World, Your Imagination" has turned out to be meaningless drivel. Things that would make this our world such as user-maintained money markets (GOM), terraformability, a client API, working vehicles (Havok2), p2p teleportation, hookable scripting (mono), workable group features, and ground texturing, have been talked to death, praised to Heaven, and conveniently left out of release after release after release.
Instead of fully implementing XML/RPC, LL have decided to implement, inhouse, the one service that wholly relied on the technology and was critical to the vision statement. This is not a problem as much as it's a recognizable pattern. It's what we know to expect; take it or leave it. I agree with Khamon. Despite the fact that Khamon is apparently, according to Lordfly, "one of the more negative members of our community" for expressing this view. coco
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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09-28-2005 09:37
From: Strawbearry Shortbread I agree with Khamon. Despite the fact that Khamon is apparently, according to Lordfly, "one of the more negative members of our community" for expressing this view.
coco Khamon has been around SL about as long as I have, I understand where he's coming from. But many many many people on these forums just love declaring the end of SL, or the end of the economy, or the end of trusting LLab, or whatever, without looking at all the issues. This entire community is prone t jumping the gun on almost any hot-button issue. It gets to me, especially in the morning. How about we actually WAIT for something to come out for once before hating it immediately? LF
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09-28-2005 09:48
Because what Khamon said in his analysis has already happened:
"The real issue is that "Your World, Your Imagination" has turned out to be meaningless drivel. Things that would make this our world such as user-maintained money markets (GOM) . . . Instead of fully implementing XML/RPC, LL have decided to implement, inhouse, the one service that wholly relied on the technology and was critical to the vision statement. This is not a problem as much as it's a recognizable pattern. It's what we know to expect; take it or leave it."
This is an analysis of what has already happened. I don't think we have to wait and see how anything comes out before we can already know this much.
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Simple Chaos
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09-28-2005 09:51
From: Strawbearry Shortbread Because what Khamon said in his analysis has already happened:
"The real issue is that "Your World, Your Imagination" has turned out to be meaningless drivel. Things that would make this our world such as user-maintained money markets (GOM) . . . Instead of fully implementing XML/RPC, LL have decided to implement, inhouse, the one service that wholly relied on the technology and was critical to the vision statement. This is not a problem as much as it's a recognizable pattern. It's what we know to expect; take it or leave it."
This is an analysis of what has already happened. I don't think we have to wait and see how anything comes out before we can already know this much.
coco coco? Doh!!
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Strawbearry Shortbread
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09-28-2005 09:54
Yeah, Strawbearry is my alt. I had her in here last night because she managed to find and buy First Land next door to my shop! YAYAYAYAYAYAY! I guess somebody - one person - abandoned their land or something. Wanted to make sure it went through.
coco
P.S. She was supposed to be "Strawbeary" with one R, but I messed up making her and quit the process at some point where somehow the name you were working with is now taken forever. They should fix that.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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09-28-2005 10:00
From: Strawbearry Shortbread Because what Khamon said in his analysis has already happened:
"The real issue is that "Your World, Your Imagination" has turned out to be meaningless drivel. Things that would make this our world such as user-maintained money markets (GOM) . . . Instead of fully implementing XML/RPC, LL have decided to implement, inhouse, the one service that wholly relied on the technology and was critical to the vision statement. This is not a problem as much as it's a recognizable pattern. It's what we know to expect; take it or leave it."
This is an analysis of what has already happened. I don't think we have to wait and see how anything comes out before we can already know this much.
coco I don't see it implemented yet. As usual, LLab loves making vague proclamations of what's in the works, but whether or not it ever materializes is up for debate. Seeing as we have little idea as to what the final LL product will be, how about we wait and see before we decry them as evil monopolistic money grubbers? LF
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09-28-2005 10:08
From: Coco I agree with Khamon. Despite the fact that Khamon is apparently, according to Lordfly, "one of the more negative members of our community" for expressing this view. Somebody's gotta express the negative opinions in the face of all you happy go lucky people. But I'm not being negative here. As Coco points out in a later thread, my analysis reflects things as they are. I even made a point of saying that it wasn't a problem, just something we have to accept. LL can, and will, do whatever they please with SL. I've learned to voice my ideas and opinions for fun. There's no point in talking to, much less arguing with, them about it all. For the record, I believe that in six weeks LL will be supporting a service that exactly mimics GOM with the added benefit of being able to credit linden sales proceeds to our LL account against future billing. No doom and gloom here. Just pointing out that the slogan is a crock.
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09-28-2005 10:11
From: Lordfly Digeridoo How about we actually WAIT for something to come out for once before hating it immediately? Because by then people will have calmed down and realized that they're overreacting and all the grade A drahma would go to waste 
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09-28-2005 10:12
From: Strawbearry Shortbread Yeah, Strawbearry is my alt. I had her in here last night because she managed to find and buy First Land next door to my shop! YAYAYAYAYAYAY! I guess somebody - one person - abandoned their land or something. Wanted to make sure it went through.
You bought First Land with your alt? I thought that was against the policies of First Land?? 
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Jeska Linden
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09-28-2005 10:26
Moved to Land and the Economy Forum.
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Jauani Wu
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09-28-2005 10:42
From: Khamon Fate The real issue is that "Your World, Your Imagination" has turned out to be meaningless drivel. Things that would make this our world such as user-maintained money markets (GOM), terraformability, a client API, working vehicles (Havok2), p2p teleportation, hookable scripting (mono), workable group features, and ground texturing, have been talked to death, praised to Heaven, and conveniently left out of release after release after release.
i don't blame LL for this problem. i blame mcdonalds and its fastfood drive through mentality of immediate satisfaction. next time you are wondering where is your havok2, ask yourself where is you mcroastedpigonaspit. From: someone Instead of fully implementing XML/RPC, LL have decided to implement, inhouse, the one service that wholly relied on the technology and was critical to the vision statement. This is not a problem as much as it's a recognizable pattern. It's what we know to expect; take it or leave it.
what exactly does this entail? LL setting up an easy to use payment system for all the currency exchanges making percentages on trades, all the while removing risk from the latter? why didn't the currency exchange develop a system for themselves to compete with IGE. why should LL create a a tailor made system to benefit GOM over IGE?
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