The Bible gave us books.

Actualy it was hunger, the first missiles were stones or flint arrowheads used for hunting

Well, yes... that is true...

I was referring to rocket propelled explosives, which would not work very well when hunting deer. Well, they might work very well, but you wouldn't have much left to eat.

Naw, *science* gave us missles. Hatred just gave 'em a particular usage. Tools are neither good nor evil, they're just tools. It's the intent of the user that changes everything.

Oh, and my turn for a teeny, tiny rant. It's TENETS people, not TENENTS.

ten·et n. An opinion, doctrine, or principle held as being true by a person or especially by an organization.

OK, that's it.

-S

Precooked!

I bet if trees weren't so damned flamable hunting with a flamethrower or misiles would be popular


my previous point though was that saying an end product does not a process make. i.e. Bible gives us books... i.e. missiles give us defense contracts....

Back in the day that science was new and scary Im sure it was easier to get financed by establisments like.... the church... if you said you were making bibles... likewise Im sure it is easier to get cash from the govt if you say you are making missiles....

If there was a better chance of Gutenberg getting financial backing from the Hanseatic League printing up shipping manifests then Im sure that's what he would have done. So it wasnt a book that gave us 'mass produced' books it was just some guy who needed cash to finance his idea.

A missile is not a tool... it is a weapon.

And I know that weapons can be tools, but a weapon crafted for the sole purpose of death or destruction should be held in a different light than a knife or gun which can be used for hunting.

Perhaps my views on missiles being weapons of hatred as opposed to "tools" comes from the 1st hand history lesson of the use of V2 rockets during WWII. My Grandfather was stationed in England when the nazis where launching them.

My comment "hatred gave us missiles" is not innacurate. The missile itself isn't evil. But they were created because of hatred.

What about Tenants?

All this time I thought people that followed the Tenants of the bible were stalkers....

And just how do you live in a book anyway??

Actual explosive "traditional" missiles were invented by the Chinese.




Unless maybe you mean Cruise Missiles?

You ignore the real world and pretend a lot.

You know what I meant.

MY turn to be pedantic!

The Chinese invented rockets. Rockets are not missiles, though if you put in a guidance system a rocket could become a missile.

The Chinese also invented sex, but that's another thread

Yes, you said they were created because of hatred, they were in fact not, they have however been used to kill since their creation.

Long long after the Chinese invented rockets. Nobel invented dynamite and it saved thousands of lives of workers on railways and in mines, he then saw his invention used to hurt kill and destroy and he then founded the Nobel Peace Prize.

What Im saying is that powerful explosives and their delivery sytems were not inventedout of hatred. I am not denying that it is how they are used today. but clearly it IS in how you use a thing.

Technology is neither good nor evil, nor is it neutral.

And all this time I thought it was Henry Ford, because I didnt think it was possible to have sex before you have back seats

In your post, you said "missiles gave us defense contracts". It was obvious that you were referring to modern day weapons... not ancient chinese fireworks.

My remark that "hatred gave us missiles" was in reference to the same, not the entire history of how and why the modern missile (which is used out of, or in reaction to, hatred) came to be.

The intent is what is important to my remark. The purpose of a modern missile (like cruise missiles, or ICBM's) is to destroy things, or kill people, out of/in reaction to hatred.

or to put weather / communication / navigation sattelites or astronaughts in space. Seriously what do you have against missiles?

Ok, this is beyond rediculous. I am withdrawing from this exchange, since you seem to rather argue than just let something go.

Im sorry that not all missiles are created out of hatred, if they were. You would be right.

Thats okay we gave the guidance technology to them in the 1990's =pPP

hehe i figured sex predates mankind =p

Chicken and the egg?

Or right this is a bible thread so it was the apple that invented sex.

Who said it was the PC and not the Mac that cuased all the PR0n

Right... like chickens. If you fling a chicken... it becomes a missile.

Or... lemons... a thrown lemon is a missile.

Midgets who participate in midget tossing... they could be considered missiles.

Of course... none of them have anything to do with my previous remark... obviously.



Ok, I'm really done now.

Missiles gave us defense contracts is an absurd statement

Bibles gave us books, also absurd

Hatred gave us missiles... Took a while, but now you can see that one is pretty absurd too, even if it seemed witty at the time.

My point being... bibles gave us books is absurd....

Next one....

Peg legs gave us pirates!

No, I don't discount anything. I said they don't believe in an afterlife as is typically understood in the West. They believe life flows into a recycle bin and is reprocessed. But they don't believe in a human soul. Do you see the difference? No personality is retained. In fact, the whole idea is to remove any idea of "self" in this life as well.

Christians believe we have a soul, and that it's personality is retained after death. Christians believe their identity will survive death.

Is that clear enough, or shall we continue to split hairs to avoid the point of the thread, that the existence of the Bible gave us the printing press much faster than if the Bible wasn't a driving force.

Why are people so defensive when the Bible is brought up? Is it upsetting to think the Bible helped mankind in some way? The hate I see expressed towards a book is amazing, are there any book burnings scheduled?

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Based on the history of the spread of christianity, the self-righteousness of evangalism, and any number of theological inconsistancies...

I don't believe the bible has helped mankind in the least bit.

I have nothing against christians... but I do take issue with the glossing over of the history of the spread of christianity.

And if you want to talk book burning... the church has burned their fair share throughout history. So much knowledge, culture, history... all lost to ignorance, intolerance, and hatred of a different faith.

self is an illusion.

I have seen no proselytizing in this forum, have you?

I have seen no self-righteousness coming from those who discuss the Bible in a positive way, have you?

I have seen no one disregard the beliefs of other faiths or suggest the Bible is even the only written Word of God. Have you?

I have seen no one forcing the Bible down anyone's throat, have you?

Did you see the sign on the door before you opened this thread? Did I force you to click it, and read it all?

I think it's a matter of over-sensitivity to anything considered Christian. It's not a hatred of religion in general, because no other religion receives such disdain in this forum.