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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
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05-22-2006 10:48
The printing press was invented for making the Bible more readily available to the masses. Therefore, the existence of the Bible is the catapult that gave use books. It boggles the mind to imagine how much knowledge has been preserved because of the existence of the Bible.
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Ghoti Nyak
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05-22-2006 10:56
The Internet was invented for making porn more readily available to the masses. Therefore, the existence of porn is the catapult that gave use the Internet. It boggles the mind to imagine how much carnal knowledge has been preserved because of the existence of porn.
LINK! .... or something like that.  -Ghoti _____________________
"Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
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05-22-2006 10:57
Block printing already existed long before Gutenburg (600 years more or less) and was used to print Buddhist scripture. The Chinese had developed movable clay type 400 years before Gutenburg created his printing press. He definitely refined the process and made mass production practical for the first time, but it was based on pre-existing technology.
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Ghoti Nyak
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05-22-2006 10:58
All kidding aside, I agree.
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"Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
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Lo Jacobs
Awesome Possum
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05-22-2006 11:13
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Vares Solvang
It's all Relative
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The OP on this thread sent my BS meter off the scale!
05-22-2006 11:27
Block printing already existed long before Gutenburg (600 years more or less) and was used to print Buddhist scripture. The Chinese had developed movable clay type 400 years before Gutenburg created his printing press. He definitely refined the process and made mass production practical for the first time, but it was based on pre-existing technology. And let's not forget the Great Library of Alexandria founded at the beginning of the 3rd century BC which had over 500,000 “books” in it. (And Ghoti's video link was funny as hell!) |
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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05-22-2006 11:36
I bet that the first thing printed on the Gutenberg press was actually porn. They just did the Bible thing as a cover for the dirty stuff.
It's pretty much guaranteed that as soon as anyone invents a new or improved method of distributing information, somebody will start producing porn with it. |
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Shockwave Plasma
Mad Scientists Daughter
Join date: 28 Jan 2006
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05-22-2006 11:52
It's pretty much guaranteed that as soon as anyone invents a new or improved method of distributing information, somebody will start producing porn with it. About 6-7 years ago the first moving picture made in Australia was found. Guess what it was? Yes, it was a porn film. _____________________
I'm sorry officer, while the term "Mad Scientist" may seem to be appropriate to some, the Professor prefers "Science Related Memetic Disorder".
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
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05-22-2006 12:03
The printing press was invented for making the Bible more readily available to the masses. Therefore, the existence of the Bible is the catapult that gave use books. It boggles the mind to imagine how much knowledge has been preserved because of the existence of the Bible. Gutenberg didn't invent the movable metal type wooden press for printing the Bible. He invented it for it's own sake in 1440. He didn't even begin printing the Bible until 10 years later with the first version of his printed Bible rolling off his press in 1455. At any rate the FIRST book ever printed with block type was the Diamond Sutra in 888. In 1041 Bi Sheng invented a movable clay type in China. _____________________
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Edward Mathys
Shapeshifter
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05-22-2006 12:07
The Internet was invented for making porn more readily available to the masses. Therefore, the existence of porn is the catapult that gave use the Internet. It boggles the mind to imagine how much carnal knowledge has been preserved because of the existence of porn. LINK! .... or something like that. -Ghoti I AGREE! Go PORN _____________________
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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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05-22-2006 12:09
"The first mass produced printed book was the Bible, a version based on the Latin edition from about 380 AD.. The Bible was printed at Mainz, Germany by Johannes Gutenberg from 1452 -1455.. Although German bibliographers claim that it was may also have been finished and perfected by Johann Fust, a wealthy financier who gained Gutenberg's share of the business in a lawsuit; and Peter Schöffer, Gutenberg's assistant.
....." http://www.ideafinder.com/features/everwonder/won-printbook.htm |
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Cindy Claveau
Gignowanasanafonicon
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05-22-2006 12:14
In 1041 Bi Sheng invented a movable clay type in China. And of course everyone knows "Bi Sheng" is Chinese for "Larry Flynt"! _____________________
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Zodiakos Absolute
With a a dash of lemon.
Join date: 6 Jun 2005
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05-22-2006 12:39
"The first mass produced printed book... The quote should actually say 'The first mass produced movable type document' for clarification's sake. Interestingly enough, the latest Discover Magazine http://www.discover.com/issues/jun-06/features/vox-populi/?page=2 (subscription required) claims that movable type using metal pipes was around even in the early days of the roman empire (although not for mass production). This was a good 1800 years or so prior to Gutenburg. That would incidentally mean that the history of movable type itself precedes even the bible. The gutenburg bible does get props for being the first moveable type document to be MASS PRODUCED, which was the precurser to such indispensable things that would later be taken for granted, such as newspapers (easy access to uncensored national and local media is considered one of the hallmarks of a 'free' society). Claiming that the bible gave us books, however, is quite a stretch, however, considering the bible itself (which simply means 'book') had existed for over a thousand and a half years prior to the gutenburg press. It would be much more proper to credit the preservation of knowledge to the Sumerians, who invented Cuniform, which is one of the oldest surviving examples of written langauge. On fireproof clay, no less, and over 4000 years before the bible was even an inkling in someone's mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform_script. |
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Lorelei Patel
was here
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05-22-2006 12:47
Also from Wiki:
The Gutenberg Bibles surviving today are sometimes called the oldest surviving books printed with movable type — although actually, the oldest such surviving book is the Jikji, published in Korea in 1377... The Bible was not Gutenberg's first printed work, for he produced approximately two dozen editions of Ars Minor, a portion of Aelius Donatus’s schoolbook on Latin grammar. The first edition is believed to have been printed between 1451 and 1452. _____________________
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Ananda Sandgrain
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05-22-2006 13:19
Isn't the thread title backwards? The movable type press gave "us" (i.e. regular people and not just priests) the Bible.
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Maeve Morgan
ZOMG Resmod!
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05-22-2006 13:20
This thread is like saying "Plastic Bags gave us Cheetos"
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Pol Tabla
synthpop saint
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05-22-2006 13:24
Great. Now I'm craving Cheetos.
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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
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05-22-2006 13:43
This thread is like saying "Plastic Bags gave us Cheetos" Were plastic bags created to hold cheetos? Or were cheetos created to fill plastic bags? |
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
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05-22-2006 14:00
This thread is like saying "Plastic Bags gave us Cheetos" It definately says much about the OP. _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
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05-22-2006 14:05
"The first mass produced printed book was the Bible, a version based on the Latin edition from about 380 AD.. The Bible was printed at Mainz, Germany by Johannes Gutenberg from 1452 -1455.. Although German bibliographers claim that it was may also have been finished and perfected by Johann Fust, a wealthy financier who gained Gutenberg's share of the business in a lawsuit; and Peter Schöffer, Gutenberg's assistant. ....." http://www.ideafinder.com/features/everwonder/won-printbook.htm so? It hardly proves your claim that Gutenburg invented movable type so he could print a bible. _____________________
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
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05-22-2006 14:07
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blJohannesGutenberg.htm
The Gutenberg press with its wooden and later metal movable type printing brought down the price of printed materials and made such materials available for the masses. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the OP... maybe you could change that to say The Printing Press gave the masses the ability to purchase bibles without having to sell their firstborn - er something like that...  _____________________
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
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05-22-2006 14:08
This thread is like saying "Plastic Bags gave us Cheetos" Or free accounts makes more furries :/  _____________________
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You have delighted us long enough. - Jane Austen Sometimes I need what only you can provide: your absence. - Ashleigh Brilliant |
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Zuzu Fassbinder
Little Miss No Tomorrow
Join date: 17 Sep 2004
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05-22-2006 14:28
The printing press was invented for making money more readily available to its inventor. The popularity of the Bible is the catapult that gave him that money. It boggles the mind to imagine how much money he made because of the existence of the Bible.
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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
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05-22-2006 16:36
It definately says much about the OP. And here I thought we could discuss things without personal insults. I was wrong. oh well...  hrugs: |
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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05-22-2006 16:39
And here I thought we could discuss things without personal insults. I was wrong. oh well... hrugs:Well, there's nothing to discuss, is the problem. You're wrong, it's been pointed out that your wrong several times, and even if we assumed that everything else was correct when it isnt, your basic premise would still be wrong, since it ignores logical progression of technology. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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