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Juro Kothari
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05-22-2006 16:42
And here I thought we could discuss things without personal insults. I was wrong. oh well...  hrugs:Where was the personal insult, Kevn? Maybe you're just jumping to conclusions again, because I don't recall typing out a personal insult to you. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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05-22-2006 16:44
Well, there's nothing to discuss, is the problem. You're wrong, it's been pointed out that your wrong several times, and even if we assumed that everything else was correct when it isnt, your basic premise would still be wrong, since it ignores logical progression of technology. Actually, I'm right. You can believe as you will. I posted the facts, the Bible was the catapult that gave us open access to books. Without the desire to secure the Bible for the masses there wouldn't have been such a drive that far back to create a system to mass produce books. Feel free to disagree. Good day. |
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Kevn Klein
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05-22-2006 16:45
Where was the personal insult, Kevn? Maybe you're just jumping to conclusions again, because I don't recall typing out a personal insult to you. Then explain the post and what it says about the OP? |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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05-22-2006 16:52
Actually, I'm right. You can believe as you will. I posted the facts, the Bible was the catapult that gave us open access to books. Without the desire to secure the Bible for the masses there wouldn't have been such a drive that far back to create a system to mass produce books. Feel free to disagree. Good day. No, see, theres the thing - you believe. However, the fact, which exists completely seperate from your belief, is that not only was Gutenburg not designing the press to print the bible, but he was not the only person to develop the technology. You can *believe* whatever you want. The facts, however, do not change because of that. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-22-2006 16:53
Then explain the post and what it says about the OP? It says that you appear to have jumped to a conclusion and continue to argue the validity of your original post even after at least two examples were given that show your post to be flawed by predating the event you mention. _____________________
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Jonquille Noir
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05-22-2006 16:58
After reading the thread, and the facts linked to therein, the thread title should read:
The Bible gave us mass produced fiction. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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05-22-2006 17:07
No, see, theres the thing - you believe. However, the fact, which exists completely seperate from your belief, is that not only was Gutenburg not designing the press to print the bible, but he was not the only person to develop the technology. You can *believe* whatever you want. The facts, however, do not change because of that. Like I said, feel free to believe as you will. "Johann Gutenberg invented the printing press in the 1450's, and the first book to ever be printed was a Latin language Bible, printed in Mainz, Germany. Gutenberg’s Bibles were surprisingly beautiful, as each leaf Gutenberg printed was later colorfully hand-illuminated. Born as “Johann Gensfleisch” (John Gooseflesh), he preferred to be known as “Johann Gutenberg” (John Beautiful Mountain). Ironically, though he had created what many believe to be the most important invention in history, Gutenberg was a victim of unscrupulous business associates who took control of his business and left him in poverty. Nevertheless, the invention of the movable-type printing press meant that Bibles and books could finally be effectively produced in large quantities in a short period of time. This was essential to the success of the Reformation." http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/ "Johannes Gutenberg, born in Mainz in 1398, succeeded in developing all the basic essentials of printing through his experiments in the 1440s and 1450s, and in 1455 or 1456, printed the famous Bible that now bears his name. Many of his innovations were still employed as late as the early twentieth century." http://www.springfieldlibrary.org/gutenberg/print.html |
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Kevn Klein
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05-22-2006 17:10
It says that you appear to have jumped to a conclusion and continue to argue the validity of your original post even after at least two examples were given that show your post to be flawed by predating the event you mention. Ah, so basically your post was a personal comment about the OP? Wasn't that what I said?  I would think discussing the facts or your own opinions would be more appropriate. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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05-22-2006 17:10
Like I said, feel free to believe as you will. In other words, this is another example of you choosing to ignore things that dont fit in to your world view. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Kevn Klein
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05-22-2006 17:13
In other words, this is another example of you choosing to ignore things that dont fit in to your world view. Are you looking in the mirror as you type?  |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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05-22-2006 17:18
Are you looking in the mirror as you type? Nah, I switched to a flat-panel display last year, they don't reflect like that. _____________________
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Jake Reitveld
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05-22-2006 17:33
well frankly the original information provided in response to the post is correct. There were block printed sutras and chinese had clay moveable type well before guttenburg.
Guttenburg unarguably refined the process and created the first movable type that could be "industrial" in nature. its also imarguable that the bible was not the first book printed by guttenberg, though it was his most famous. He did, as wikipedia discusses create other books first. Thus while the bible was certainly among the more influential books published, it was not the font from which all other wrting flowed. The notion of Books had been areound many hundereds of years before gutenberg, he just refined it another step. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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05-22-2006 17:46
Knowledge used to create the internet porn distribution system was transmitted via books, and thus the blame or credit for internet porn rests squarely on the Bible.
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Kevn Klein
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05-22-2006 17:49
well frankly the original information provided in response to the post is correct. There were block printed sutras and chinese had clay moveable type well before guttenburg. Guttenburg unarguably refined the process and created the first movable type that could be "industrial" in nature. its also imarguable that the bible was not the first book printed by guttenberg, though it was his most famous. He did, as wikipedia discusses create other books first. Thus while the bible was certainly among the more influential books published, it was not the font from which all other wrting flowed. The notion of Books had been areound many hundereds of years before gutenberg, he just refined it another step. No one is denying the fact books existed before the printing press. Nor that some types of printing was used before the printing press. The point is the printing press is what gave us access to books as average people. And the printing press was invented by a man who printed the Bible as his first publication. Read about his history of interest in the Bible. It's clearly what propelled him to invent the printing press. As I posted earlier, the Bible was indeed the first book ever printed (published, mass printed), unless those sources are flawed. You haven't shown anything to counter that data except your opinion. Secondly, Wikipedia isn't a regular resource, as it is a compilation of input from everyone and their sister. I would only quote it if the information is consistent with other, respected references. |
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Juro Kothari
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05-22-2006 18:14
Ah, so basically your post was a personal comment about the OP? Wasn't that what I said? I would think discussing the facts or your own opinions would be more appropriate. No, you said personal attack, which it was not. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-22-2006 18:19
As I posted earlier, the Bible was indeed the first book ever printed (published, mass printed), unless those sources are flawed. You haven't shown anything to counter that data except your opinion. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/07/eak/ht07eak.htm "• early 13th century Cast-metal movable type is invented in Korea in the early decades of the thirteenth century, some two centuries before Gutenberg's invention of metal movable type in Europe, to facilitate in particular the distribution of Buddhist and Confucian texts. The skill of Korean paper- and ink-makers in producing sufficiently strong and thick paper and an oilier grade of ink is crucial to the success of this new printing technique. One of the earliest recorded works printed in metal movable type is a volume concerning Confucian ritual published in about 1234. A Buddhist text published in Korea in 1377 (now in the Bibliothèque Nationale, Paris) is the oldest extant book printed in this manner." _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-22-2006 18:27
As I posted earlier, the Bible was indeed the first book ever printed (published, mass printed), unless those sources are flawed. You haven't shown anything to counter that data except your opinion. http://www.didyouknow.cd/words/gutenberg.htm "Johannes Gutenberg is often credited as the inventor of the printing press in 1454. But neither printing nor movable type was actually invented by Johannes Gutenberg, nor did he print the first book. The Chinese actually printed from movable type in 1040, but later discarding the method." _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-22-2006 18:41
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/edicta/shaw/b.htm
Gutenberg printed the Ars minor of Donatus in 1452 - three years before the Gutenberg Bible. So, it looks like a Grammar Book did it.  _____________________
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Einsman Schlegel
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05-22-2006 19:53
I would like to make a statement:
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Reitsuki Kojima
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05-22-2006 19:56
No one is denying the fact books existed before the printing press. Nor that some types of printing was used before the printing press. The point is the printing press is what gave us access to books as average people. And the printing press was invented by a man who printed the Bible as his first publication. Read about his history of interest in the Bible. It's clearly what propelled him to invent the printing press. But even if that were true, which given that the Bible was not the first book he printed, that is highly suspect, it still doesn't prove your point. It's like saying "Without Thomas Edison, we wouldn't have lightbulbs!" No, we would - It may have taken a little longer, and looked a little different, but the technology would have came about. _____________________
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Tod69 Talamasca
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05-22-2006 19:58
There is no mention of movable type or printing presses in the bible therefore it doesnt exist.
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05-22-2006 20:03
I would like to make a statement: Ok. _____________________
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Einsman Schlegel
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05-22-2006 20:10
Ok. My point exactly! |
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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05-22-2006 20:16
Thanks to all the fact checkers, its good to see bad information slapped down so quickly.
 I would also like to say that Frito-Lay gave us snack food. Yes snack food existed before Frito-Lay and probably would be just as popular without it, but you can't deny that a 1 oz serving of cheetos has 160 calories 90 of which come from fat. http://www.fritolay.com/fl/flstore/cgi-bin/products_cheetos.htm _____________________
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Einsman Schlegel
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05-22-2006 20:21
Why isn't this thread closed? The Resmods closed all the others. Why is this one special?
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