New ResMods

assumption, the above post is on topic.
conclusion, talking about what is topical is on topic.

Resmod program = Drama

Why? Lets review.

ARs.: Originally these were made less private. They still are to a degree. I only want my ARs viewable by the Lindens and not other residents.

Editting: As show above, a resmod misused their 'power.' I'd go bakc and reinsert the editted words if it was me. No resident other than me has the right to edit my words.

Unpaid: This personally is just a reason I wouldn't do it, on top of everything else. you want to be slave labor, go ahead, just don't expect any thanks from me.

Forum BS: The forums have gotten WORSE since the resmod system came up

Leadership position: quoted from Jeska.. and a Linden at one point said no government ran by residents. I see this as government, with residents censoring others.

Authority: no resident has any authority over me with the exception of ON THEIR OWN OWNED LAND.

So.. in conclusion..

the 'community flip-out' is a natural and correct position and not a dramatic 'flip-out.'

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Ummmmm lets look at the next line, you conveniently left out.



There was no accompanying post regarding this edit .... untill your action was called out in public.
As i see it, not only was this an abuse of power, it was cowardly, and using the forum FAQ, to partially quote Moderator powers (note, Moderator, not ResMod, unless we have been misled they are not the same thing), just doesn't cut the mustard.
You abused your powers, and you know it, no amount of backtracking or obscufacation can disguise it.

I would argue that the Resmod program, while farrrrrr from perfect, was created to help fight drama. Any drama over the resmod program is DIRECTLY linked to residents.

I agree here.

I couldnt find this abuse. Im not doubting you. But I would say resmods DO have the right to edit your words if they violate the forum rules.

I disagree here. The forums long ago were WAY WORSE. Certain people finally got dealt with and there was some peace for awhile. Those people, I think, now have alts (or something) because I see the same agenda and types of trolling/drama that used to be here. Drama over the resmod program was inevitable. Why? Because people here can find drama over a can of beans.

Most of us signed up for SL because of the SL world, not the forums. Having people from the user community monitor the forums is nothing new in this industry. I think (could be wrong) the government in this case is the in world government.

For the most part, the community here is fine. But there is a group in these forums that live solely on drama and creating it. Enough so that we need more policing of these forums. I prefer an iron fist type of forum moderation, but thats just me.

First off, no they don't. Torley even said so in this thread. Second, here's a picture of the abuse. I snapped it just in case it vanished. The word 'fucking' was removed from the first sentence. I'd link right to the post, but it won't display the edit line at the bottom. Needless to say, if you find post #125 in this thread, you will see it. There's apparently a second edit the mod chose to make by their own admission, but no one has found it, yet. Did you even bother to read this thread or perhaps any other thread where it was said very consistently that ResMods do not have the power to edit posts?

News to me. What good are moderators with no powers? If post blatently offensive words or racist remarks, the resmods are to do nothing? If they cant edit what powers do that have? Simply to report it? Can they move the thread somewhere to review?

The guy that mentioned it said "as shown above". I looked above (ie on the same page, i have 16) and I didnt see it.

I beg to differ. This is the 16th(?) page of the 50th(?) thread about a program that's only caused a handful of questionable incidents since its inception (and that's being generous to the nay-sayers). I call 'em like I see 'em.

Their only powers are as follows, from my understanding:

- Close a thread if it's trouble, where it will be reviewed by a Linden and possibly re-opened.
- Move a thread to a forum for review, where suddenly it vanishes, only to perhaps be moved back later after review by a Linden.
- Receive abuse reports (formerly with the name of the person who submitted it, currently not) so they can review them to see if they need to...
- Try to steer the conversation by threatening to do one of the two above.

It's essentially a human AR filter. We AR it, it goes to the ResMods and Jeska, from the ResMods it can be strongly suggested Jeska look into it, as best I can figure. If this is a good idea or not is up to you.

Also, you and others may want to consider using the User CP to change your posts per page to the max, since this becomes a far more managable six pages that you can scroll down and skim more easily.

I don't want to dismiss the "questionable incidents" because they ARE indicative of how this program works in the initial best-foot-forward phase. What we are seeing right now is the result of the Lindens selecting the Best-of-the-best residents as ResMods and watching them like a hawk. The ResMod program won't actually get sloppy and corrupt until another 4-6 months from now.

However my argument has always pointed at fundamental flaws in the blueprint of the ResMod program itself (flaws I have listed extensively.) Driving on bald tires isn't necessarily a good plan simply because "Everything has been fine so far! Only a few questionable incidents!" Rather than condemning the program on the basis of wild hypotheticals, I think many/most of my fears are an absolute inevitability.

-I have never seen a subjective system where people don't eventually favor themselves (to the detriment of their enemies/competition.)

-I have never seen a system where private information (such as ARs) passes in front of so many unaccountable eyes without eventually becoming public.

-I have never seen a system where privileges are granted to unacountable people where those privileges weren't eventually abused (loss of resmod status is not accountability to people who never really cared about the job to start with, by the way)

I thought that we were told in the beginning that resmods would have no powers to mess with posts.

I am too lazy to search for it, but I swear I remember hearing/reading that.


As a side note, I volunteered to become a resmod *snicker* because I feel that I am one of the few people that can go on a power trip and handle it in a much better way than others have. VOTE FOR ME!!! (too much sugar for breakfast, sorry )

Dear Philip or appropriate HR director,

Please hire Jeska an assistant so we (collectively) can all go back to whatever it is we did before we got upset about the resmods. Although I wouldn't recommend telling anyone about it, because there's the possibility that some don't want the money they pay LL to be funnelled into another paid forum moderator position, no matter how official. Maybe just have he or she use Jeska's forum account while she's sleeping. Or name them Jeksa and hope no one notices.

Thanks,

Cory Edo

It's not that I don't think your fears have some validity, Aimee, but to play devil's advocate...



There's nothing on/about the forums that offers any substantial benefit so even if a mod does favor themselves or is detrimental to their "competition" what are they actually gaining and what is anyone else actually losing? Baseless AR's aren't going to result in bannings since anything that results in disciplinary action still has to pass LL review. Also, when did it become a competition? We used to just all cheer each other on. Those who cried about other people having perceived advantages were generally laughed at.



This can be a good thing if it makes people think twice about reporting posts for dubious hypersensitive reasons. Most of us just say what we think out in the open. Is it a bad thing if post reporting becomes common knowledge?



If the abuse the resmods have already taken is any indication I'd hardly call anything about the program a privilege.

My main concern is residents being put in a position of power (regardless how large or small that power is) . As far as I am concerned this is a form of government also. A government we as a community were promised would not exist in SL. More so these community members arrived at their appointed positions not by a democratic process. For me it sends a strong message of social control. The main concern I have is that our forum accounts are tied to our IW assets. I find it worrisome that another resident can have a hand in any resident losing their iw assets over a post in a forum. Threw a process of being appointed by LL and not the residents of sl. It’s a form of government, but not a democratic process.

Censorship and fear of expulsion are two examples of that social control. To made matters worse the program which LL is insisting on pushing threw has a core that is flawed. If they are going to insist on pushing this system threw then they should at least take the time to make sure the tools are in place and working correctly. Posting edits and removal of posts should be done with great care and consistency These things should be high on the list of priorities and not as it appears now; a side note.

Cat

To play advocate back: S'not about forwarding on baseless ARs. All things being equal, let's say every AR is valid and all should be dealt with -- it's about what is decided to be passed on for review or not that I find far more interesting. Omission can be an advantage and a very hard one to prove either way. Theoretically the Linden(s) being paid to handle here will be far less likely to concern themselves with who is their friend here since it's a job that pays for their cost of living.

Ugh. I hate long, itemized posts. LOL. OK here goes...

I whole-heartedly disagree. Even with a small percentage of SLers using the forums, they are as close to TELEVISION as we have in Second Life! When BBC's Machinima event posting in general isn't moved to classifieds quickly enough, it gets TWO stories on SL Herald! Like it or not, getting a "commercial" in the General Forum really CAN make a huge business difference!

Subjectivity is the problem. If somebody posts, hypothetically, some kind of general discussion...about a corporate event...like The Happening (hypothetically!) How will Satchmo Prototype, as ResMod AND Director of The Happening, rule on the issue? Send it to the boneyard of classifieds or leave it in general? How about if a similar post was made for a competitor like Tiny Sea Dog or Aimee "no longer fic" Weber? Can everybody disguise event announcements as discussions? ("Hi! I just made a new pair of shoes on sale at *PREEN* for 250L$ ... ummm how do you guys thinks this will impact the fabric of SL's culture?"

If the forums are SL's television, then the we shouldn't put corporate marketing people in charge of the FCC. Unfortunately few people in SL operate without a business of SOME sort.


This is valid but remember the reason Abuse Reports are private is to protect users from revenge related harassment. So the Lindens should decide ... should AR's be public or private. ? The system now can best be described as "Private" *wink wink* Even with names removed it's not acceptable.


Well I compeletely agree. I picked on Satchmo because his was such a concrete example, but I don't think he (or any of the other resmods) have done anything wrong. I think they they are all great folks. But as I mentioned above, they DO have privileges, and I can't see how they WON'T eventually be abused intentionally or unconsciously.

Well, Aimee, you and I both have advertistements at the bottom of every post we make anywhere in the forums, so a thread staying in general that really belongs in events or classifieds just doesn't strike me as an especially big deal

I don't REALLY have to explain the difference do I?

I'm sorry, I, er... must shop at PREEN... must shop at PREEN *twitch* ...must attend happening ...must attend happening *twitch* What were you saying?

LOL! Sometimes I think you just go easy on me in the forums cause you lub me <3

I can't argue with that (because it's true) <3

Aimee, it is either that or - if he truely likes shopping at *PREEN* - he likes wearing women's underwear. One of the two.

Damn I hate when I forget to turn the webcam off.

Oh for ,,,,'s sake, get a room!

Oh! So, look who is trying to join the Counter-FIC movement. Too late for you! The finest scientific minds have been alerted to your presence.



*curses at her crudy cell phone camera*

The slide reads:

"Keep your eyes open!
You never know when or where the FIC might
pop up to get you involved!"

Aimee, that new satellite system to track those butterflies in the Amazon that were causing all those storms was all a front. It was a satellite system designed to track you! Bwahahahaha!

Remember everyone:

Stay alert!
Trust no one!
And keep your <classified> handy!

*Looks up and SCREAMS*

*covers self with a towel*

Must you when I'm in the SHOWER?!