New ResMods

I want to be hired as Jeska's personal assistant! *looks around* Umm..just sayin...

The fucking irony here makes me giggle.

Like a schoolgirl.

In a plaid skirt.

With white stockings on.

Whoa... SL Politics never looked so... SASSY!

*howls*

Quote last edited by Cristiano Midnight. Reason: Lecktor has a foul mouth.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.........

You know there is a resmod in the first batch that posted profanity in posts made as a resmod...DAMN!! Is it that subjective or is it a double standard?

OK, time to ditch the resmod program in favor of actually hiring an employee to do work LL, or if you must impose a system upon us where you annoint some members to bully and rule over others, then let us VOTE for those we want to rule over us.

I think whoever mentioned the idea of interns had a good idea in the event LL doesnt want to actually pay people to do the work.

Its the make it up as you go along school of thought. Being our leaders apparently means different things to different resmods. Some think it means we must be subjected to a play by play summary of their real life activities. Some think it means we must endure their reply to every thread, and most posts in a thread as if the forums were intended to be a direct request for their input. Others seem to think they must censor us rather than do the appropriate job of being extra eyes for overworked Jeska and reporting posts that may violate the TOS/CS.

ATTN: resmods: you are not here as hall monitors or censors..you are not here to edit our words, or shut down our discussion, to accommodate your sensitivities. And, you are not here to subjectively decide whether a comment is off what you consider to be the topic of a thread!

Note: A thread in a general discussion forum really cannot be off topic. If the forum exists for general discussion by an SL member then how can another member declare any comment it contains as off topic...I dont even know what that really means.

Plus, if LL doesn't want to pay someone, then why not establish an internship position. There are so many students who would be interested in putting moderator for an online world's forum on a resume.

I am so glad that you posted this warning because I seriously want you to define the acceptable scope of comments for this thread.

Please specify exactly what types of comments are allowed to be made in this thread and define for us all the exact limitations of permissible thoughts about the new resmods.

If you can warn us that a post is off topic, then surely you must have thoughts in mind about what you consider to be on topic.

i'll try to be succint..

On Topic = welcoming New ResMods, their answers to Aimee's question "Do you guys have any stories, opinions, or points of view about the program to share with us? We would love to get your perspective.", and comments/replies about such. i would also consider posts that are in the "spirit of the thread" to be On Topic, such as further discussion about what ResMods are doing as opposed/akin to what should/shouldn't be done.

Off Topic = anything not related to the above whatsoever.

while Off Topic posts won't automatically get a thread closed (as has been thoroughly evidenced in this thread), a plethora of them may well have that result. ResMods are supposed to (see my next post as well) try to bring a conversation back to being On Topic if possible before closing a thread. in some cases a thread will be put up for Linden Review without it being closed.

from the ResMod guidelines:



also, there was a mistake made, plain and simple, with the editing of a curse word by a new ResMod who misunderstood some rules (as any new-hires are wont to do, even after training). editing permissions have been corrected (removed from the new ResMods' abilities) and the guidelines have been made clear.

from ResMod Best Practice:


(edited because i've never used a certain word when posting and would prefer not to start now, even if it is a quote.. from a Linden. just personal preferrance.)

Reported for being off topic then.

actually, i would consider the conversation that katykiwi and i are having as On Topic, as it deals with ResMod practices and defers some actions by new ResMods. this is what i meant by "in the spirit of the thread".

it is also a meta-discussion about this particular thread, which i would also not consider as Off Topic. possibly not quite On, but neither would it be Off.


however, i would like to see some of the new ResMods offer their viewpoint/s on the original post and/or related conversations, such as the current topic.

<--- My post is off-topic.

This one right here.

I am lost, what's a resmod?

Posts 263 - 280 of this thread are off-topic because they don't pertain to a constructive discussion of Second Life. If you're suggesting that Cybin is incorrect that there is off-topic discussion going on in this thread, then you are grossly mistaken.

If you think back they did hire an assistant to help out Jeska with moderation. That person was Pathfinder, and look at the warm welcome he got. We demanded his removal from forum moderation duties and its exactly what we got.

The more difficult we make the lives of Jeska & the resmods, the more attractive the complete closure of these forums will be to those making the decisions.

There is the rub though isn't it? Subjective, the lot of it.


I'd think the resmods, as well as the forums would be better served if they stuck to quasi-policing actual violations rather than attempting to shepherd the subject matter or direction of our posts as on or off topic in a general forum.

'sides, didn't think your's was the last word (or in fact you had any voice at all) in deciding the end results of a Abuse Report? That's changed then has it?

I know SOME specific people wanted Pathfinder's head, but I recall him being very well received by the overall community. I like him very much and always have!

I don't see any comparison between Pathfinder and the widespread condemnation of the ResMods.

There is the rub though isn't it? Subjective, the lot of it.


I'd think the resmods, as well as the forums would be better served if they stuck to quasi-policing actual violations rather than attempting to shepherd the subject matter or direction of our posts as on or off topic in a general forum.

Has the policy changed as to whom reviews ARs then? Are you saying Resmods now police themselves? I ask because your reply seems dismissive as to grounds of a AR, I thought resmods had no say as to ARs and that they still went to Jeska, no?

EDIT: Reposted on prime account as opposed to work account.

While I'm on record as saying I think its time for resident forums to take over, once a better announcement system can be put into the client, I have to take exception with this part of your post... unless you're privy to some kind of inside information none of us are.

Pathfinder was hired as part of the community team. All of them occasionally chip in with moderation, but let's face it; despite the crap she gets, Jeska is damn good at it. Moderating forums is close to as thankless a job as I've ever seen.

Where was it announced that he was an assistant? I think he was hired because of his work on Brigadoon, which I still consider to this day to be the best example of using Second Life to help out those less fortunate. Pathfinder takes the prize for that vision...

Who is this "we" who demanded his removal from forum moderation? It sure wasn't me. Or anyone I can remind, other than one well known Second Lifer who's entire role play in this universe is to troll...

Regards,

-Flip

answering what i can..

no, policy hasn't changed. i may have said something confusing, not sure.. i don't quite get what you're getting at. but ResMods do read ARs and while we have no disciplinary power, we can respond to ARs about threads by either posting to, or submitting for review, any given thread.

and as far as policing ourselves.. yes, since the beginning.. sort of. or are you referring to what i said about the editing of a swear word by a ResMod? i wasn't saying I corrected anything, but i did offer some advice.

when i say we sort of police ourselves, i mean in as much as we will confer on some threads before taking action. when we're unsure about something, we discuss it to see what should be done. Jeska will sometimes join in as well. so, maybe it's not policing now that i write it out.. but we do try to acheive a joint decision on some things that aren't as clear cut as some others.

are you saying the foxes are guarding the henhouse?

Interesting rewrite of history. Pathfinder had a very warm welcome to the forums. His problem stemmed from the indiscretion of discussing discpilinary matters regarding one resident with a group of other residents on the IRC. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the way the forums were moderated.

I am a couple of pages behind on this and am short on time right now, but I will repeat the question that has gone unanswered this whole time, and also post my opinion on what the answer probably is:

Question: It has been said the resmods have power to alert Jeska to a thread for review, in response to the AR's they have received for that thread, but they don't have the power to issue warnings in response to the AR's.

Does this mean that Jeska (and Pathfinder and whoever else) can choose to look at only those threads/posts she has been alerted to by the resmods putting them up for review to her? And can go without actually reading any of the AR's themselves?

Answer: Yes. It allows Jeska (and Pathfinder and whoever else) to pay no attention to AR's at all, resting assured that the group of remods will get her attention by submitting a thread for review if they want to.

Ponder the implications of that a while, y'all.

coco