New ResMods

To tell the truth I'm all for closing General and Off topic.. I don't think there is much really served here that isn't covered in the other more specific forums.

I think the freestyle of other convos is best suited to fansites - folks can find one that appeals to them and have fun.

Come back for technical stuff and new products and update info and all that jazz.

Thinking we'll meld into some grand communtiy is just silly.. It hasn't happened in world and I don't think it will happen in this microcosm of Second Life either.

It certainly hasn't gotten better.. not better or worse really, just more people.

Unfortunatly I think its more likely that what happens in General and Off topic will spill over into the other forums. How about holding everyone to the CS and TOS consistantly. As for the amount of employees, well that would have to be increased as the population does.


Cat

Interns, man. Interns.

Y'know, Cris, I was wondering how long before it'd wear you down into actually posting this. And you're right on most counts, I'd say -- and you're certainly not alone in these thoughts.

Honestly, General and Off-Topic are embarassing cesspools compared to the rest of actually useful forums elsewhere here and likely should be shut down. If they're hell-bent on having residents contribute, maybe finding people who have a skillset apropriate to the more specialized forums can help answer questions to people in need of help instead of playing unpaid rent-a-cop here. I'd find that far more palatable than this current trainwreck, where there's not an actual specific purpose and thus there's no real 'help'.

I'm not opposed to closing those forums either, though I fear stuff will spill into other forums and you will have brawls in the animation forum. I just don't understand why these two forums are so incredibly difficult to moderate.

Can we keep this Forum on topic. and stop the Personal attacks, flaming, and name calling. We are adults and not kids and the name calling needs to Stop.




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MOD: Steve Steed

Have a good day!

Even they generally have to be paid if they are working at a company, and there are limits to the type of work they can do so that employers can't weasel out of paying actual employees.

Yah these are my thoughts too - its easy to see when something isn't about 'land and the economy' or 'scripting tips'

but 'general thoughts and observations on SL' doesn't seem to be working - and spill over would be easy to nip in the ass - theres very little grey area.

And lets face it - how much to General and Off Topic REALLY contribute to the forums as a whole?

I post regularly and even I say 'not much'.

I agree - saying Rupert was UGH! was way outta line - Gabe should be bannzenorated!

Many commercial forums are moderated by unpaid volunteers from among their pool of customers. Autodesk's forums (one of the largest software companies in the world) are a prime example. Live365's forums are another. There's nothing unusual (or illegal) about it.

Good luck to the new resmods. You're going to need it.

The forum is called General, how do propose keeping it on topic? Also, if we are not kids then don't scold people like they are children.

I've heard that several times already and I'm not sure I believe it to be true. There's a MUCH clearer line of what is and is not on topic and proper on those sorts of forums for people looking for help.

Seriously, though, what it comes down to is if the community team wants residents to be policing places like General and Off-Topic, then perhaps those forums shouldn't be here and instead should be owned and operated by residents who can dedicate their resources and time to actually managing them.

There's a lot of useful, helpful stuff in the other forums here that I read over often enough when I'm looking for information and I'd rather see that be encouraged and fostered than spending so much effort trying to fix a slow-motion chatroom with no real puprose compared to the rest of the place.

This is a good idea. It's easy to moderate the sub-forums. It's a rare day when there is flaming going on in scripting tips. Let's leave the drama threads for resident run forums, and keep the useful stuff here.

I'm not trying to be a troll, this is an honest question.

If the RM program is so hated, why is it that only a small handful of people are complaining, out of a population of hundreds of forum users, drawn from a population of over 100,000 SL users? It's obvious that there are those who don't agree wifth the RM program (if nothing else, from how their disagreement not-infrequently gets dragged into other threads ), but the assertion that it's a widely held opinion mystifies me, given a relative lack of supporting evidence.

(No, I'm not an "old fart" here, but I know how to use the search function. )

Where are the screaming hordes calling for Linden heads being mounted on pikes (if you'll pardon a touch of hyberbole)? A dozen vocal posters does not make a majority, no matter how much they may go out of their way to protest in public.

Actually there is legal precedent. There was the AOL volunteer class action suit (links below), as well as the Ultima Online class action suit and an About.com labor lawsuit dealing with the exact same issues we are dealing with here. Linden Lab is way too overreaching in their use of volunteers and it is going to come back to haunt them.

Inside AOL's Cyber Sweatshop:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.10/volunteers.html

AOL Not Alone in Volunteer Controversy:
http://news.com.com/AOL+not+alone+in+volunteer+controversy/2100-1023_3-226441.html

Volunteer Revolt (about UO):
http://www.salon.com/tech/log/2000/09/21/ultima_volunteers/

these people are already spoken for. they are on the resmod resmod list.

I'm trying to remember the old expression. Similar to 'dozens of lurkers support me in email'. However, I'll play that stance -- for one, there's other mediums than this where there's plenty of discussion on the subject from people who simply do not wish to post here proper for whatever reason -- be it they don't wish to insult a friend participating or they fear otherwise having it somehow having a negative impact on them in the future for expressing themselves. That's a rather scary concept, though we can shove it all aside as a totally unsubstantiaded claim if you wish.

More directly: While there's some usual suspects being vocal about this, some people I've been rather surprised to see not only post but be critical of the program when traditionally they've supported seemingly everything LL has done. There's certainly some odd bedfellows being made here over this, to boot.

Hell, it certainly has me posting now, when usually I'm a lurker around here and spend my time chatting mostly elsewhere and in SL.

Because that is just how it is here. You get the very vocal minority that bitches and whines about ANYTHING new. And then you have the others *I wont name names..* that are pissed that they can't be resmods and have POWER> BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

And it just divides the "community" for no reason. I don't see why a resident should be doing a Linden's job, but LL won't cough up the cash to hire a few Forums mods. So here we are. I wouldn't bother trying to figure it out. It will just kill the hamster.

It’s a throw away society. If it breaks, throw it away.

If nothing is being resolved, for some perhaps nothing should be further said.

Personally I come here to discuss the issues of the day. Sometimes they make me laugh, or think, or understand the other side sl issues. I think things can be resolved. If not here, then I doubt they will be resolved elsewhere either.

I don’t care what other companies do or don’t do with their forums, I do not pay those companies a fee for service.

Cat

I pay for Second Life.. so long as it works all is well... if the entire forum shut down overnight I'd go back to giggling over photoshop phriday or the editing rooms abridged scripts during my downtime

What would you do when you have a technical issue?

Options off the top of my head:

Email or call support
Contact Live Help
Contact a Linden
Post to another SL forum

Cat

I don't doubt there are those who don't speak up out of concern for reprisal or for not agrivating the situation. But without some kind of headcount I'm rather suspicious of the implication that there's a significant number of those dissatisfied with the resmod program but don't comment on it.

"The lurkers support me in e-mail" dates back to well before 300 baud modems racking up huge phone bills for calls to BBSes, modern technology just expands on the claimed communication methods (PMs, private discussions in IM or in an otherwise unoccupied private building, etc).

Is 30 too young to be a cynical skeptic?

Well, all of you can rest assured that all is right in the SL forums.

Siggy reported me and I have been admonished.

Don't expect me to ever report anyone again, EVER. Satchmo has already explained that they pay no attention to the AR's from "a certain few," which explains a lot.

I was asked to edit my post. And, of course, I have to - if I want to survive here. But hey, Siggy, go ahead and tell me again to shove it up my rectum, why don't you?

Because of course, you can.

I did save my original post. If anyone is curious, I will be happy to tell you the horrid, awful, abusive, personal attacking, profane thing I said, by PM.

coco

If LL wants to close down the forums General, OT or whichever other ones they don't want to deal with, then they just need to do it. Stop threatening it LL, just do it.

The forums haven't changed since they started. Its the same wash, rinse, repeat cycle. I at first had hope about the ResMod program but it quickly became apparent that is just a waste of time. Seriously, it is. They are not going to change the way the forums are, if anything, they are worse, imho.

MJ

Coco,

I do, because I find it hard to believe that you would be asked to edit anything you have posted. Then again this is not the land of consistancy so I really should'nt be suprized.

Yet the vulgar crap that is slung at you (and me)has not been edited as far as I know. Mods/ResMods oh please do correct me if I'm wrong. While your at it explain this action in full.

Cat