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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 08:42
From: Alby Yellowknife So what do you call a Social Security Number? LOL -- Everybody has one, as such, its a form of ID to track you. But it isn't supposed to be used for that. The fact that it is used for that is proof this country has taken a wrong turn into fascistland.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 08:44
From: Alby Yellowknife Yeah.. Lets get rid of the TSA at the airports. There's no terrorist out to attack Americans. We are all crazy and should welcome all visitors with open arms and no questions asked. There are terrorists out there. There's one in the Oval Office now named George W. Bush.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:44
From: Kendra Bancroft But it isn't supposed to be used for that. The fact that it is used for that is proof this country has taken a wrong turn into fascistland. Gotta be a Socialist to become a Fascist...  ' Remember, Socialism is the Root of either Fascism or Communism. Both are branches of Socialism. And that is you Kendra
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 08:44
From: Alby Yellowknife The Washington Post, that liberal paper is more hardcore than CBS. oh please.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 08:46
From: Alby Yellowknife Gotta be a Socialist to become a Fascist...  ' Remember, Socialism is the Root of either Fascism or Communism. Both are branches of Socialism. And that is you Kendra LOL. Fascism and Socialism are diametricly opposed to each other. Are you that ignorant not to know your right from your left?
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Paolo Portocarrero
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01-26-2005 08:49
From: Kendra Bancroft LOL. Fascism and Socialism are diametricly opposed to each other. Are you that ignorant not to know your right from your left? If high school history memory serves, Fascism is extreme conservatism. Correct me if I'm wrong...
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 08:49
From: Paolo Portocarrero If high school history memory serves, Fascism is extreme conservatism. Correct me if I'm wrong... Give that man a gold star! U are correct.
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Isis Becquerel
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01-26-2005 08:50
From: Alby Yellowknife So what do you call a Social Security Number? LOL -- Everybody has one, as such, its a form of ID to track you. Only recently...It was originally a form of social insurance and before being tied to credit histories was of little use to the government or banking enterprises. I would suggest looking into the history of the SSN. In fact most of the "acceptable uses" of the SSN are illegal but the laws are rarely if ever enforced.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:53
From: Kendra Bancroft LOL. Fascism and Socialism are diametricly opposed to each other. Are you that ignorant not to know your right from your left? Do your research... I think you'll be taking that statement back.. Socialism: ------------ Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved. Communism: ---------------- A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat Fascism: ---------- A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:54
Properly understood, fascism and communism were, as the Soviet and German labels openly declared, actually the same thing:, just two varieties of socialism. The fascist praises the free market, but secretly works to destroy it. The communist condemns the free market and openly works to destroy it. Both tactics are tools of a monopolistic type of parasitism known as socialism. The key goal in either case is the destruction of economic market competition so that certain ruthless individuals can acquire huge wealth and power. The wars between the fascists and the communists in the 20th century have simply been wars fought between competing monopolists.
If the communists had their way, the world would be one giant monopoly government devoid of any troublesome "free market economy." A one-world communist government would control every aspect of a world economy. Nothing would be left to the untidy devices of the free market. Wages and prices would be controlled by government fiat.
If the fascists had their way, the world would be one giant monopoly corporation devoid of any troublesome "free market economy." A one-world fascist government would control every aspect of a world economy. Nothing would be left to the untidy devices of the free market. Wages and prices would be controlled by a central bank, fiat currency, and interest rate manipulations.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 09:00
From: Alby Yellowknife Do your research... I think you'll be taking that statement back..
Socialism: ------------ Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
Communism: ---------------- A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat
Fascism: ---------- A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control. Those definitions prove my point. Thank you.
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Isis Becquerel
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01-26-2005 09:05
From: Alby Yellowknife Properly understood, fascism and communism were, as the Soviet and German labels openly declared, actually the same thing:, just two varieties of socialism. The fascist praises the free market, but secretly works to destroy it. The communist condemns the free market and openly works to destroy it. Both tactics are tools of a monopolistic type of parasitism known as socialism. The key goal in either case is the destruction of economic market competition so that certain ruthless individuals can acquire huge wealth and power. The wars between the fascists and the communists in the 20th century have simply been wars fought between competing monopolists.
If the communists had their way, the world would be one giant monopoly government devoid of any troublesome "free market economy." A one-world communist government would control every aspect of a world economy. Nothing would be left to the untidy devices of the free market. Wages and prices would be controlled by government fiat.
If the fascists had their way, the world would be one giant monopoly corporation devoid of any troublesome "free market economy." A one-world fascist government would control every aspect of a world economy. Nothing would be left to the untidy devices of the free market. Wages and prices would be controlled by a central bank, fiat currency, and interest rate manipulations. http://www.oligopolywatch.com/2003/10/07.htmlI would suggest that you take a gander at the recent merger craze before you post oppositional opinions to some folks fear of a move towards fascism. No one has stated that the free world will become fascist tomorrow morning but the slow move towards the centralization of which you speak is apparent in the US if you are willing to look beyond political diatribe and view the facts. It is only a matter of time before there is no one left to merge with and the prospect of anyone starting a new venture will be impossible as they would never be able to compete with the monopolies.
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One of the most fashionable notions of our times is that social problems like poverty and oppression breed wars. Most wars, however, are started by well-fed people with time on their hands to dream up half-baked ideologies or grandiose ambitions, and to nurse real or imagined grievances. Thomas Sowell
As long as the bottle of wine costs more than 50 bucks, I'm not an alcoholic...even if I did drink 3 of them.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 09:14
From: Alby Yellowknife Properly understood, fascism and communism were, as the Soviet and German labels openly declared, actually the same thing:, just two varieties of socialism. The fascist praises the free market, but secretly works to destroy it. The communist condemns the free market and openly works to destroy it. Both tactics are tools of a monopolistic type of parasitism known as socialism. The key goal in either case is the destruction of economic market competition so that certain ruthless individuals can acquire huge wealth and power. The wars between the fascists and the communists in the 20th century have simply been wars fought between competing monopolists.
If the communists had their way, the world would be one giant monopoly government devoid of any troublesome "free market economy." A one-world communist government would control every aspect of a world economy. Nothing would be left to the untidy devices of the free market. Wages and prices would be controlled by government fiat.
If the fascists had their way, the world would be one giant monopoly corporation devoid of any troublesome "free market economy." A one-world fascist government would control every aspect of a world economy. Nothing would be left to the untidy devices of the free market. Wages and prices would be controlled by a central bank, fiat currency, and interest rate manipulations. This is just ignorant hogwash. Fascism is the same as Corporatocracy --it's the extreme right of a Capitalist Oligarchy. Fascism in it's purest form believes in no separation of church and state, and the ascendency of corporations over the individual. Far be it from me to argue with this cut&paste job from "The Coastal Post" , MARIN COUNTY'S NEWS MONTHLY - FREE PRESS -- such journalistic integrity -- it's little more than a magnet for kooks of all stripes to write internet diatribes with no basis in reality. This is pure tinfoil hat stuff from all corners of the political spectrum.
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David Valentino
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01-26-2005 09:20
From: Alby Yellowknife Fascism: ---------- A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
Yikes. That is pretty much the United States Government at the present time. Have you heard about the Bush administration paying syndicated columnists on the sly, using tax payer money, to spout his agenda?? Nice example of classic propoganda, and two of these national syndicated columnists have recently come forward and admitted it, after being caught of course. Heard about the "secret Pentagon group" used for covert operations and intelligence gathering, both within and outside of the United States, without approval or knowledge of the Senate, which of course is against the law? Now they are claiming it was all on the up and up and everyone was informed, but they had since renamed and re-organized the group. *cough*bullshit*cough* One party, and agenda now controls all branches of the government, thus there are no longer any checks or balances. The present administration uses fear tactics and lies to make people support them. Bush, Chaney and Rumsfield have all been caught in many lies in this regard, such as saying they never said that Irag was tied into 9/11, when, of course, about a hundred video clips show them doing just that. Bush lying about WMD. He states that he never said that Iraq definitely had then, when of course there are about 100 videoclips showing him saying exactly that. Plus suppression of the press. Reporters coming forward and telling about the warnings that they have recieved from the White House stating to the effect that if they write articles that show Bush in a bad light, they will no longer have access to any news coming out of the White House. Control of the electorial process. Why wasn't anyone allowed to inspect the electronic voting machines? Why were they allowed to be used, without an independent study, after the CEO of one of the companies building them, stated in public that he would deliver the election for Bush? Why did the exit polls show Bush's opponent as the winner in Ohio and Florida, and why have the exit polls always been correct except for the two elections involving Bush? Throw in religeous intolerance, fueling hate for a segment of the population, slogans like "If you aren't for us, you must be a terrorist" and many other examples, and you have a clear cut example of a country moving toward a facist state. To think how horrified we were of the Nazi regime, and to see how we are behaving now. Shame on us! What times we live in.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 09:23
From: David Valentino Yikes. That is pretty much the United States Government at the present time.
Have you heard about the Bush administration paying syndicated columnists on the sly, using tax payer money, to spout his agenda?? Nice example of classic propoganda, and two of these national syndicated columnists have recently come forward and admitted it, after being caught of course.
Heard about the "secret Pentagon group" used for covert operations and intelligence gathering, both within and outside of the United States, without approval or knowledge of the Senate, which of course is against the law? Now they are claiming it was all on the up and up and everyone was informed, but they had since renamed and re-organized the group. *cough*bullshit*cough*
One party, and agenda now controls all branches of the government, thus there are no longer any checks or balances.
The present administration uses fear tactics and lies to make people support them. Bush, Chaney and Rumsfield have all been caught in many lies in this regard, such as saying they never said that Irag was tied into 9/11, when, of course, about a hundred video clips show them doing just that.
Bush lying about WMD. He states that he never said that Iraq definitely had then, when of course there are about 100 videoclips showing him saying exactly that.
Plus suppression of the press. Reporters coming forward and telling about the warnings that they have recieved from the White House stating to the effect that if they write articles that show Bush in a bad light, they will no longer have access to any news coming out of the White House.
Control of the electorial process. Why wasn't anyone allowed to inspect the electronic voting machines? Why were they allowed to be used, without an independent study, after the CEO of one of the companies building them, stated in public that he would deliver the election for Bush? Why did the exit polls show Bush's opponent as the winner in Ohio and Florida, and why have the exit polls always been correct except for the two elections involving Bush?
Throw in religeous intolerance, fueling hate for a segment of the population, slogans like "If you aren't for us, you must be a terrorist" and many other examples, and you have a clear cut example of a country moving toward a facist state.
To think how horrified we were of the Nazi regime, and to see how we are behaving now. Shame on us!
What times we live in. Thank you for so eloquently stating what I've been trying to get across. What times indeed.
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Siro Mfume
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01-26-2005 11:01
From: Alby Yellowknife Siro:
I was gonna respond in kind, but I think your remarks are self evident. Your a Traitor. I suppose under your logic, we'd all be speaking Russian and toasting how much we love our Communist Masters giving us all equal poverty. lol Nobody has nuked us yet thankfully. You are a traitor to humans. The comparison between dynastic China and modern day world can be easily made. There is one world and one people. Senseless division will never move us forward toward a united government. If the USA has to lose in this struggle for a global power to be born then I would gladly see the USA lose. It's not about who winds up controlling it, it's simply that it happens at all.
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01-26-2005 11:06
From: Kendra Bancroft Actually --the reason we have an electoral college is because the founding fatheres were appalled by the idea of an actual Democracy, and so set up a system they felt would deter mob rule.
BTW Blue states already cater to the "welfare" red states. Blue states give far more in taxation then their ruby colored kin. I thought the republicans were the evil rich guys... guess not... hehe
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Dominique Pollack
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01-26-2005 11:15
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 11:16
From: Billy Grace I thought the republicans were the evil rich guys... guess not... hehe Rich fascist neocons exploiting poor god-fearing republicans by tricking them into believing they stand for the same things. They don't. Can you really reconcile Bush's deeds with Jesus words? Sheeeesh, Billy --if you paid attention to your own views over rightwing talking points you'ld be a liberal (as indicated on your political compass).
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Ardith Mifflin
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01-26-2005 11:23
From: Siro Mfume Nobody has nuked us yet thankfully. You are a traitor to humans. The comparison between dynastic China and modern day world can be easily made. There is one world and one people. Senseless division will never move us forward toward a united government. If the USA has to lose in this struggle for a global power to be born then I would gladly see the USA lose. It's not about who winds up controlling it, it's simply that it happens at all. It is now painfully obvious that the experiment which was started over 200 years ago has failed. The ideals which the founding fathers attempted to imbue in this nation have been rejected, and supplanted by jingoism, racism, religious intolerance, and puritanism. Who will rise up to defend the mantle of freedom which America has cast aside?
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 11:29
From: Ardith Mifflin It is now painfully obvious that the experiment which was started over 200 years ago has failed. The ideals which the founding fathers attempted to imbue in this nation have been rejected, and supplanted by jingoism, racism, religious intolerance, and puritanism. Who will rise up to defend the mantle of freedom which America has cast aside? You must be a crazy... After 200 years, we are stronger then ever and there is no forseeable end to American Democracy.. Sorry that your verison didn't win. Now its time submit to the wishes of the majority. You lost. If ya don't like it, move to Canada. They need more immigrants to fill that tundra.
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Ardith Mifflin
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01-26-2005 11:31
From: Alby Yellowknife You must be a crazy... After 200 years, we are stronger then ever and there is no forseeable end to American Democracy.. Sorry that your verison didn't win. Now its time submit to the wishes of the majority. You lost. If ya don't like it, move to Canada. They need more immigrants to fill that tundra. I think this is my cue to point at your post, and scream QED at the top of my lungs.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 11:33
Dr. Rice is a Patriot. More than the rest of you liberal terrorist nuts will ever become. 
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Ardith Mifflin
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01-26-2005 11:40
Alby,
A pedant would argue that the end to "American Democracy" is unforseeable because the very idea of "American Democracy" is a myth touted by the uneducated. America is not a democracy, because the Founders had the intelligence to realize that the majority of people generally really love oppressing the minority. A jerk, such as myself, would point out that if you don't even understand the fundamentals behind the American political ideology, that you've got no right to live here. If you honestly think that ~20 percent of the popular vote means that you can redact the Constitution and do whatever you like, then you've failed as an American citizen and you've failed as a human being.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 11:50
From: Ardith Mifflin Alby,
A pedant would argue that the end to "American Democracy" is unforseeable because the very idea of "American Democracy" is a myth touted by the uneducated. America is not a democracy, because the Founders had the intelligence to realize that the majority of people generally really love oppressing the minority. A jerk, such as myself, would point out that if you don't even understand the fundamentals behind the American political ideology, that you've got no right to live here. If you honestly think that ~20 percent of the popular vote means that you can redact the Constitution and do whatever you like, then you've failed as an American citizen and you've failed as a human being. Uhhh No, you need 2/3rds of the House, Senate, and The States to change the Constitution. As such, "Majority Rules".
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