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01-27-2005 20:41
From: Kendra Bancroft
You would be wrong.

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01-27-2005 20:53
From: Billy Grace
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Billy, you can't leave the "I" out of bullshit! When you type it, it's the most important letter! ;)
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Isis Becquerel
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01-27-2005 21:34
From: Alby Yellowknife
Not true.. If the message is good and voters can connect, the money will come.People who believe in an idea and/or ideal will open their wallets to see it materialize. Look at Howard Dean (That Hippie) and how a "nobody" sucked in millions overnight.

So your wrong Isis. Jesus was dirt poor and his message still finds its way into many people's lives. Consider him the ultimate politician with the ability to deliver a message without spending a dime.

Money is an excuse to hide the lack of vision.


Not that I like to split hairs but I will anyhow. There is just as much biblical evidence pointing to the fact that Joseph, Mary, Jesus and the disciples were financially comfortable. Joseph was a carpenter; skilled tradesmen of the time were not poor by any means.They traveled to Bethleham for the census on a donkey, most of the poor traveled by foot or went into hiding as they could not afford the taxes. Jesus was born in a stable not because Joseph could not afford a room as he inquired into renting one but there were no rooms. Many were traveling at the time as everyone was required to take the census at their home villages. After Jesus' birth Joseph did have enough money to rent a home for himself and his new family (Matthew 2:11). The wise men did not show up the day Jesus was born as is depicted in the manger scenes in front of the First Baptist Church every christmas, it was nearly 2 years later when they visited the babe in the home of Joseph and Mary. We know this because Herod had spoken with the wise men as they were traveling and after hearing of the Christ Child ordered every son 2 years of age killed. Of course Joseph and Mary were tipped off by an angel and traveled to Egypt which would have cost them a bit I would think (Matthew 2:13-16).

Later in life Jesus' ministry was profitable enough to require a treasurer, Judas, who was able to glean a fair living pilfering funds. He also maintained a residence large enough to accomodate several travelers (John 1:38) which wasn't cheap. And then there were the feedings. Althought the traditional loaves and fishes story was a miracle, the disciples first offered to buy the food but having no time and being in such a desolate place Christ decided to instead preform a miracle. This happened on another occasion as well where Jesus had summoned Phillip to feed a large group and Phillip replied: “‘Where are we to buy bread, that these may eat?’ And this he was saying to test him; for He Himself knew what He was intending to do. Philip answered him, ‘Two hundred denarii worth of bread is not sufficient for them, for everyone to receive a little’.” (John 6:5-7). Note that 200 denarii was nearly 6 months of wages for an average laborer of the time.

So it is just as likely that Jesus was comfortable as were his disciples. Here are a few more scriptures speaking of the financial status of those in Christ's ministry:
Matthew 8:14: speaks of Peter's home

Matthew 9:9-10: speaks of Matthew's home and how he entertained at his residence

Acts 24:26: speaks of Governor Felix attempting to get a bribe from Paul (a governor would likely not expect a bribe from a poor man)

Mark 10:23-27: speaks of the uneasyness the disciples felt when Jesus said that a rich man would not be likely to enter the kingdom of heaven

Mark 10:29-30: this part being the most important though it is usually left out

"Truly I say to you, There is no one that has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel’s sake, but that he shall receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come eternal life." Jesus did not preach that his followers should be poor in fact he wished the exact opposite for them.

Luke 8: speaks of Jesus' several contributors one of whom was Joanna the wife of Herod's steward.

At his death there is also evidence of his wealth. The roman gaurds drew lots over who would get his tunic as it was expensive being made from one peice of fine cloth and not the tattered peiced together rag tunic of a poor man. After his death he was given the tomb of a wealthy man who was thought to be a contributor to the ministry as well.

I could go on but religion has a tendency to make me dizzyheaded. So I'll leave you with this though in his ministry Christ spoke against the sins of Greed and Covetousness he never spoke against the prosperity of man and never gave any indication of being poor or coming from a poor family...though if one were to take verses out of context and apply the proper spin anything is possible.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-27-2005 21:53
From: Billy Grace
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Think what ya want, Billy. Personally I'd be worried that the Rightwing would sieze the opportunity of non-verified voting systems and steal the election one day. So I'd STILL be working for voter reform --as I have done since '96. But thanks for your incredibly mature post. You don't disaapoint.
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11-10-2005 07:56
Tried to sign it but we don't have addresses really or zip codes here, hm.... Well not sure what they'd do with one bunnies signature from a game called Second Life anyway. Well I think this must be for the real world and I live in Second Life. Ask me in game i'll tell you I'm from here. Where there is no president that I know of, Only the Gods that are Lindens that control my planet. The guy who bought the tiny plots near mine and decided this was a good place to voice his political agenda needs to get a better grip on reality. He needs to get land in the real world where he will have to make real signs that don't magically glow and float above each other stacked 5 high for every country of the world to see. Only the people in the country he lives in will have to see it unless he buys land in France or Germany or Japan or wherever the people really live who escaped to second life come from and they might have laws against that he'd have to deal with. but I'll Sign it here
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I hope this helps you get this Bush thing done so that a bunny can turn his draw distance back to 96 and not have to look at the tacky signs some guy put in fantasy land.
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