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Kris Ritter
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01-26-2005 08:02
From: Alby Yellowknife Cause you'll never understand 9/11, cause your a foreigner and it didn't happen to you. LOL! You are SO ignorant. So, no Brits died in it, or were involved in it, or were affected by it? Btw, On a personal note, I work for Lloyds of London, and knew dozens of brokers, underwriters and insurance staffers who died in it. Some I would have considered friends.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:05
From: Isis Becquerel You are off your bloody friggin rocker!!!!
Are you stating that Europeans do not know what it is like to be attacked!!??? Please tell me that you are kidding otherwise I would suggest passing back through grammar school with an emphasis on World Civ.
ayeyaiyai...I must be going nuts...I know that I didn't just read that.... Yes Isis. When certain folks say that Americas are "fucking paranoid" when they come to visit, then they don't understand the reasons behind our behavior. As such, they need to be educated. I know Europeans understand being attacked, which also makes me wonder why so many don't see the value in stomping out enemies before they strike you. Just like the French and English which saw Germany in violation of their WWI treaty and did nothing about. Chamberlain actually signed a treaty with Hitler not to attack. What did Hitler do? Laugh in the Dumb Brits face and built more tanks, planes, and ships, and then attacked once they were near full strength. Remember Dunkirk? Thats what happens when you ignore your enemies and wave peace flowers around...
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:06
From: Kris Ritter LOL!
You are SO ignorant.
So, no Brits died in it, or were involved in it, or were affected by it?
Btw, On a personal note, I work for Lloyds of London, and knew dozens of brokers, underwriters and insurance staffers who died in it. Some I would have considered friends. Then you can understand why we are paranoid. So don't act like we are wrong for giving you the 3rd degree when you come to America.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:07
From: Kendra Bancroft Cause you'll never understand 9/11, cause your not from NYC and it didn't happen to you.
ahhhhhh --that felt good. I'm from Northern Virginia and the Pentagon was down the road... Sorry, but NYC needs to share.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 08:08
From: Alby Yellowknife Then you can understand why we are paranoid. So don't act like we are wrong for giving you the 3rd degree when you come to America. How come NYC and Washington DC --sight of the attacks of 9-11 overwhelmingly voted to oust Bush from office? Perhaps it's YOU who doesn't understand, Alby.
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Rose Karuna
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01-26-2005 08:10
The UK has long dealt with terrorist attacks and in fact was far better equiped before 911 than the US is presently.
How about Israel? They've been telling the US for years that what happened in NYC was a real possibility. They live with it every day.
On a more recent note: Did you forget about what just happened in Spain?
Or in Russia at a grammar school?
To say that someone outside of the US could not understand vicious terrorist attack is incredably arrogant.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 08:12
From: Alby Yellowknife I'm from Northern Virginia and the Pentagon was down the road... Sorry, but NYC needs to share. Then perhaps you might wish to share with London. I hear they had the shit bombed out of them not too long ago.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:13
From: Rose Karuna The UK has long dealt with terrorist attacks and in fact was far better equiped before 911 than the US is presently.
How about Israel? They've been telling the US for years that what happened in NYC was a real possibility. They live with it every day.
On a more recent note: Did you forget about what just happened in Spain?
Or in Russia at a grammar school?
To say that someone outside of the US could not understand vicious terrorist attack is incredably arrogant. If I'm the Arrogant one, then explain to me why this European is saying that Americans are too Paranoid? As if we shouldn't be so crazed and let our guard down? Lemme requote the remark for you: From: Kris Ritter I do know what I'm missing. I used to visit your country regularly up until they got so fucking paranoid we're treated like a terrorist for just wanting to visit. But it's ok. I don't think I much want to visit any more. Gonna go to Canada in future 
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Kris Ritter
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01-26-2005 08:13
From: Alby Yellowknife Then you can understand why we are paranoid. So don't act like we are wrong for giving you the 3rd degree when you come to America. Um, no. I really can't. The argument makes about as much sense as the one the UK is using to bring in compulsory ID cards under the guise of terrorism prevention.
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David Cartier
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01-26-2005 08:14
From: Kayin Zugzwang I believe -- My information might be flawed, but it has some biases -- that some greek cultures had 100 percent democracy with a few hundred or thousand people. If someone didn't care, they didn't vote. Granted when population got even larger and Rome took over, a republic looked more appealing. But I just wanted to correct that "dozen" number.  That is true, but the democracy was limited to citizens, i.e. men, who typically owned lots of property and slaves, and kept the family women in strict isolation. When democracy is restricted to a certain demographic then you have an oligarchy or perhaps a theocracy.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:15
From: Kris Ritter Um, no. I really can't. The argument makes about as much sense as the one the UK is using to bring in compulsory ID cards under the guise of terrorism prevention. The new order of the day in the 21st century is you have a right to privacy. You don't have a right to anonymity.
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Kris Ritter
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01-26-2005 08:20
From: Alby Yellowknife The new order of the day in the 21st century is you have a right to privacy. You don't have a right to anonymity. huh? I don't remember asking to be anonymous? I would just like to not be treated like a criminal because of knee jerk paranoia.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:22
From: Kris Ritter huh? I don't remember asking to be anonymous? I would just like to not be treated like a criminal because of knee jerk paranoia. You've got a better idea on weeding out the Terrorist from the 99.999999% of the population? Maybe you'd like Terrorist to register with the Government before conducting a war against the people.
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Siobhan OFlynn
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01-26-2005 08:24
From: Val Behemoth He WAS NOT re-elected. To do that, you need to have been elected in the first place, not appointed... or should that be annointed these days? I was gonna post the exact same sentiment Everytime some asshole newscaster said the word "re-elected" I screamed at the TV.....He was NOT re-elected, he just managed to somehow rig the vote to get elected for the first time in 2004, after being selected in 2000!!!!! Needless to say, my 11 year old daughter runs to change the channel every time the Shrub's face flashes on our TV.
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Isis Becquerel
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01-26-2005 08:25
From: Alby Yellowknife Yes Isis. When certain folks say that Americas are "fucking paranoid" when they come to visit, then they don't understand the reasons behind our behavior. As such, they need to be educated.
I know Europeans understand being attacked, which also makes me wonder why so many don't see the value in stomping out enemies before they strike you. Just like the French and English which saw Germany in violation of their WWI treaty and did nothing about. Chamberlain actually signed a treaty with Hitler not to attack. What did Hitler do? Laugh in the Dumb Brits face and built more tanks, planes, and ships, and then attacked once they were near full strength. Remember Dunkirk? Thats what happens when you ignore your enemies and wave peace flowers around... You can call me a traitor but comparing 9/11 with WWII is just dolt. Yes we were attacked from the inside though not from the outside. You forget that those who commited the attacks were in the US on educational and work visas, renting condos, obtaining drivers lisences and training at flight schools. Short of closing down the borders completely and sending home any and everyone who is in the country on visas or illegally, we will never be fully protected. And you know what, I am not willing to pay the costs which that sort of safety will inccur. The ultimate cost will be my freedom. The world is not against us. A very vocal minority has planned attacks against the US. The perpatrators of 9/11 are not elusive, they are not an unknown evil. They are the Mujahadeed. We know who they are and where they are and all other attacks on any other country not related directly to the Mujahadeed are criminal attacks which make the American government look like the blood brothers of the enemy (which considering our ties to Saudi Arabia that may not be far from the truth). I thought that the whole purpose of this war was to make the middle east more like America not to make America more like the Mujahadeed. I am sorry that I do not want to have to show my papers before crossing the county line.
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Kris Ritter
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01-26-2005 08:26
From: Alby Yellowknife You've got a better idea on weeding out the Terrorist from the 99.999999% of the population? Maybe you'd like Terrorist to register with the Government before conducting a war against the people. And that's precisely the argument AGAINST these measures being pushed on the rest of us too! Well done for spotting it.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:26
From: Siobhan OFlynn I was gonna post the exact same sentiment Everytime some asshole newscaster said the word "re-elected" I screamed at the TV.....He was NOT re-elected, he just managed to somehow rig the vote to get elected for the first time in 2004, after being selected in 2000!!!!! Needless to say, my 11 year old daughter runs to change the channel every time the Shrub's face flashes on our TV. Sorry, but Florida voted for Bush in 2000 and confirmed that in 2004 by re-electing Bush.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:27
From: Kris Ritter And that's precisely the argument AGAINST these measures being pushed on the rest of us too! Well done for spotting it. Well you can't sit back an do nothing. IDs now.. Whats the deal? No different than a drivers license or a passport.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 08:36
From: Alby Yellowknife Sorry, but Florida voted for Bush in 2000 and confirmed that in 2004 by re-electing Bush. Actually it's been proven that Gore won Florida in 2000. Read this article originally posted in the Washington Post on January 27th, 2001 http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0127-01.htmThis is a fact that no reputable news source denies.
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Isis Becquerel
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01-26-2005 08:37
From: Alby Yellowknife Well you can't sit back an do nothing. IDs now.. Whats the deal? No different than a drivers license or a passport. It is very different and being considered in the US as well. Just to break it down for you a passport is for the purpose of international travel and not a required form of ID, a drivers lisence is a state ID and also not required by national law but most states do require some form of Identification such as a state ID. A national ID system is a different monster all together and will do little but further erode states rights and personal privacy. The national government should have little direct influence over the everyman which is why untill recently there were only 3 prosecutable federal crimes, all other issues are the concern of the seperate states. I would suggest re-reading the constitution.
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One of the most fashionable notions of our times is that social problems like poverty and oppression breed wars. Most wars, however, are started by well-fed people with time on their hands to dream up half-baked ideologies or grandiose ambitions, and to nurse real or imagined grievances. Thomas Sowell
As long as the bottle of wine costs more than 50 bucks, I'm not an alcoholic...even if I did drink 3 of them.
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Kendra Bancroft
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01-26-2005 08:38
From: Alby Yellowknife You've got a better idea on weeding out the Terrorist from the 99.999999% of the population? Maybe you'd like Terrorist to register with the Government before conducting a war against the people. There is no organized terrorist movement". Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh. This is all psy-ops to keep you scared. I can't believe people are stilling falling for this hooey.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:39
From: Kendra Bancroft Actually it's been proven that Gore won Florida in 2000. Read this article originally posted in the Washington Post on January 27th, 2001 http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0127-01.htmThis is a fact that no reputable news source denies. The Washington Post, that liberal paper is more hardcore than CBS.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:40
From: Isis Becquerel It is very different and being considered in the US as well. Just to break it down for you a passport is for the purpose of international travel and not a required form of ID, a drivers lisence is a state ID and also not required by national law but most states do require some form of Identification such as a state ID. A national ID system is a different monster all together and will do little but further erode states rights and personal privacy. The national government should have little direct influence over the everyman which is why untill recently there were only 3 prosecutable federal crimes, all other issues are the concern of the seperate states. I would suggest re-reading the constitution. So what do you call a Social Security Number? LOL -- Everybody has one, as such, its a form of ID to track you.
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Isis Becquerel
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01-26-2005 08:40
From: Kendra Bancroft There is no organized terrorist movement". Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh. This is all psy-ops to keep you scared. I can't believe people are stilling falling for this hooey. They do so to justify their own racist and xenophobic ideals.
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One of the most fashionable notions of our times is that social problems like poverty and oppression breed wars. Most wars, however, are started by well-fed people with time on their hands to dream up half-baked ideologies or grandiose ambitions, and to nurse real or imagined grievances. Thomas Sowell
As long as the bottle of wine costs more than 50 bucks, I'm not an alcoholic...even if I did drink 3 of them.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-26-2005 08:41
From: Kendra Bancroft There is no organized terrorist movement". Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh. This is all psy-ops to keep you scared. I can't believe people are stilling falling for this hooey. Yeah.. Lets get rid of the TSA at the airports. There's no terrorist out to attack Americans. We are all crazy and should welcome all visitors with open arms and no questions asked.
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