Vote To Impeach Bush!!

It seems to me that there is a huge effort being made to derail any serious discussion by throwing up straw men.
The President was not elected because it can't be "paper trail proven."
It could be in the past. (No supporting evidence of such a statement is offered.)
There's an implied conclusion that the election was somehow "stolen" in that the person now in office doesn't belong there.
There's an implied conclusion that if Kerry were in office things would be "better" - of course this is not explicated at all.
There's a complete and continual series of ad hominems against both sides - some more obvious than others.

This thread appears to me to have NEVER been intended to be about open discussion but to tweak the reactionaries on both sides of the political fence - and it succeeded in that. There doesn't seem to be a possibility of a meeting of the minds. Why is this even continuing if neither side has any intention of moving a millimeter?

This thread is an example of why RL politics belongs neither inworld in SL nor in the forums. It is not constructive. It cannot benefit the inworld SL experience when "discussed" in this manner.

Can you recite the Pledge of Allegiance?

Actually --The President has been elected by the electoral college. Nobody disputes this.
Obviously votes in the past could be proven --They were paper ballots!!!! They had actual analog form --not a closed source digital form Try not to be obtuse.

If Kerry were in office things would be better. It would be very hard to be worse than the worst President in the history of this country. This, however, is not the point of election reform. The point of election reform is to improve the voting system to a level of accountability. Remember --if one party can steal an election --both partys can steal an election. Or hadn't you thought that through. This should concern EVERY patriotic American. Our voting system was never meant to be privatized.

It is not constructive to you, perhaps. In that case I would suggest you bow out of the discussion and go back to your ostrich like posture.

Democratic Republics are a very nice form of Government. Your President is attempting to turn the USA into a proto-fascist republic. Big difference. Just like Rome infact.

I pledge alligiance to the flag

Of the United States of America,

And to the Republic for which it stands,

One nation, under God, indivisible,

With liberty and justice for all

Take note of that line, next time you're telling a "lefty" to STFU for disagreeing with you... especially the ALL bit.

And the Reason we have an electoral college is so that populous states don't unfairly skew our Republic. Otherwise, Presidents would only need to win popular support in a few cities (ie: Cater to only their issues) and always win as President. And unless you don't escape the New York, there is millions of other people who live outside the city that want their viewpoints heard and addressed.

NOTE: The America isn't made up of New Yorkers. Bush realized this and thats why he won. He listened to the rest of America and they voted for him. Kerry only appealed to "City Folks" in select regions of the nation and thats why he didn't win beyond the city limits. When Liberals realize that they need to cater to Country Folks, they might start winning again.

you get a cookie.

Sorry, btw. But this is how you debate with Alby, right?

Actually --the reason we have an electoral college is because the founding fatheres were appalled by the idea of an actual Democracy, and so set up a system they felt would deter mob rule.

BTW Blue states already cater to the "welfare" red states. Blue states give far more in taxation then their ruby colored kin.

I do Siobhan, I do. Liberty and Justice for all... And those who do things which threaten Liberty and Justice are to be stopped at all cost. (ie: Terrorist and their Sympathizers?)

And I think I know what code your speaking when you say "especially the ALL bit".
My coded response is, "Don't forget the word Justice". Break The Law and you'll receive your due justice. So enjoy all the liberty you want. But cross that line, and your liberty will be taken from you.

And who draws the line in the sand? We The People.

Yes, the people, not the government. Anyway, he's not my leader, I don't have to live there. Have fun y'all.

Thank God we kicked out you Brits in 1776...

We Thank God we're not American daily too!

You don't know what your missing.. Apple Pie, Potato Chips (Not Crisps), Big SUVs the size of your flats, ohhh its wonderful to be American.

McCarthyism is so last millenium. I do not remember reading a single post from any of your detractors which even comes close to being sympathetic to communism. In case you are unaware of the definition of the term here ya go: A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. In reading the posts associated with your slanderous "commentary", I gleaned the exact opposite sentiment. I see citizens wishing to be recognized as individuals, wishing to have their voices heard without being called traitors or communists (which makes little sense anyhow).

It is a bit egotistical to assume that any mention of the administration is pointed at all republicans. When the Republicans came down on Clinton, I did not take it personally as I am not Clinton. I never called Republicans traitors or communists for not approving of his actions because his actions are not my actions. There is a difference between associating yourself with a political party and becoming the embodiement of the party in your own mind. If you choose to personalize any statements and consider those statements attacks then that is your problem.

Further your history with regards to the groundwork of democracy is a bit off seeing as how there were hundreds of democratic poleis, the strongest and most successful being Athens which thrived from 600 bc when Solon wrote the first constitutional package creating a more just sytem of government for the common man to 322 when Philip and Alexander decided to shut down democratic operations and install themselves as suzerain of all Aegean Greece. The cessation of Athenian democracy was not due to any internal problems in fact it was considered extremely successful and continued in a limited fashion
in other greek cities for some time after the macedon's overthrew Athens.



Plenipotientiary Extraordinaire,

All opinions are valuable including yours. I will say however that your idea of what should go on in an open ended world is a bit different from mine. Other than my handle, I am for all intents and purposes myself whether online or in person. There are no ogres to be killed in SL, there is no purpose for the world to exist other than integration into our everyday lives, architecture, design and scripting. Some choose to build, some script, some chat and some of us use it as another means of communicating to a broad audience. It is my belief that world politics belong as much in SL as anywhere on the web. I would far rather listen to other's opinions with regard to real concerns than a bunch of boohooey about how so and so built an ugly build next to whosit's master peice of design. But that is just me and I stay out of threads which I find of little interest.

If you choose to use SL as an escape mechanism that is fine but I would suggest not browsing the off topic forums as they are off topic meaning not usually related to the goings on of SL. I would not suggest to those who use SL to chat, buy virtual knicknacks and loop animations at clubs are of lesser consequence in SL and so I would like the same respect from those who do not believe that SL is the place for real world issues. To each their own, I will have my SL and leave you to yours.

I do know what I'm missing. I used to visit your country regularly up until they got so fucking paranoid we're treated like a terrorist for just wanting to visit.

But it's ok. I don't think I much want to visit any more. Gonna go to Canada in future

haha!!! I almost wet myself...(by spitting my coffee on my skirt of course ) That is terrific and if you don't mind will be making it's rounds through the office this afternoon.

Cause you'll never understand 9/11, cause your a foreigner and it didn't happen to you.

You are off your bloody friggin rocker!!!!

Are you stating that Europeans do not know what it is like to be attacked!!??? Please tell me that you are kidding otherwise I would suggest passing back through grammar school with an emphasis on World Civ.

ayeyaiyai...I must be going nuts...I know that I didn't just read that....

To say something like that to a Brit really shows how little you know about the world. Sorry Alby, but you just lost all credibility you had left.

Cause you'll never understand 9/11, cause your not from NYC and it didn't happen to you.

ahhhhhh --that felt good.