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Darko Cellardoor

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01-24-2005 20:05

Please know this is a legitimate campaign. To date there have 481,424 signatures. Additionally the following ad was featured in the New York Times. Just wanted to ensure people realize this is a legitimate campaign not a terrorist cell working within America!

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Kayin Zugzwang

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01-24-2005 20:20

Clinton was impeached, yes, but he was not convicted and retained his presidency and rightfully so. I think we all know that was stupid.

Anyways. The patriot act is not grounds for impeachment. It's the supreme court's job to stop this stuff and in an impeachment hearing it would not be valid for that very reason.

War in Iraq? going to war and is not an impeachable offense. it's congresses job to stop an unjust war -- And yeah -- people die. Thats NOT a war crime. If we shot a surrending Saddam on the spot... THAT would be a warcrime. Even then, Bush would not be held responsible unless the order came from him.

Guantanimo bay is probably the best point, but few people care.

The problem is, while many of these things might be immorally offensive to some of us(including my self), that does not mean its an impeachable offense.

The success of any campaign of this sort lies in being realistic. This is not.

Teeny Leviathan

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01-24-2005 20:32

Impeachment will do nothing. The only thing that will rid us of Bush & company is good, undisputable dirt. A skeleton will have to come out of the closet. Someone who knows something will have to speak up. Damaging, genuine documents will have to surface. Something that would not only lead to impeachment, but also serious jail time. All of these things are longshots.

Until any of these things happen, we are all screwed. As it was said earlier in this thread, if Bush goes, we get Cheney. All we can do now is embrace the horror.

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01-24-2005 20:49

From: Paris Cellardoor

I apologize and I realize only a few percent are neocons. Oh yeah ty for your comment about my girls. Don't you just love your baby....bring happiness and joy to our lives.

Thanks... apology accepted.

And yeah, she had me from day one. Kids are the spice of life. They are so inocent and full of joy, I wish we could bottle that up and have the rest of us take a dose from time to time. To have the faith of a child for one day would be quite valuable indeed.

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Isis Becquerel

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01-24-2005 21:08

From: Kayin Zugzwang

Clinton was impeached, yes, but he was not convicted and retained his presidency and rightfully so. I think we all know that was stupid.

Anyways. The patriot act is not grounds for impeachment. It's the supreme court's job to stop this stuff and in an impeachment hearing it would not be valid for that very reason.

War in Iraq? going to war and is not an impeachable offense. it's congresses job to stop an unjust war -- And yeah -- people die. Thats NOT a war crime. If we shot a surrending Saddam on the spot... THAT would be a warcrime. Even then, Bush would not be held responsible unless the order came from him.

Guantanimo bay is probably the best point, but few people care.

The problem is, while many of these things might be immorally offensive to some of us(including my self), that does not mean its an impeachable offense.

The success of any campaign of this sort lies in being realistic. This is not.

The Supreme court is but another embodiment of the government. It is our job to make certain that the constitution is adhered to for the protection of the sovereign states. There is not a bought and paid for court in the land who will answer the cause of the disobediant American. And the states authority has been muddied by the fact that they accept bribes by way of "grants" to bend over for Fed-co. However, We are the congress, we are the people spoken of in that great article of democracy...in the end it is the will of the people which reigns supreme in these united but sovereign states of America. It is not the will of some court official appointed by any power of the federal government.

As for war crimes you are correct we did not shoot Saddam but many have died in prison hoping, praying for a fair trial yet smothered under the cloak of intelligence gathering. The Geneva Conventions have been broken and that is criminal enough for me. Do tell what is your definition of impeachable...treason, Bush has commited treason as in violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies. He has commited treason by way of the Patriot acts (you should read them if you truly want insight into how far he and Rummy have gone in an effort to erode our constitutional rights) and the snake eaters, treason against the constitution which is the apotheosis of his country. He has sullied the very freedoms and liberties which this country was founded upon and for that he should be considered a criminal.

This administration has waged war against the constitution, against the bill of rights and against any individual who dare disagree with its diatribe. This is an offense worth fighting , far moreso than a stain on a blue dress.

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Kayin Zugzwang

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01-24-2005 21:32

.... If you're against the whole government then impeachment isn't going to help. Impeachment if brought up would not be successful. It's all government. if you're going to be like this, stop cutting corners and aim for revolution.

Isis Becquerel

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01-24-2005 21:51

From: Kayin Zugzwang

.... If you're against the whole government then impeachment isn't going to help. Impeachment if brought up would not be successful. It's all government. if you're going to be like this, stop cutting corners and aim for revolution.

To quote my fave man of the evening...but if only I had a neighbor who's spine I could not put my hand through...then maybe we would have the makings of revolution. But there is nothing wrong with a peaceful revolution, in fact I prefer it and this act of peacful demonstration is just the sort of thing needed in the US. It is acts such as this which force folk to get off their keister and figure out what is going on. It is acts such as this which make Americans take their collective heads out of the sand and knock the administration down a peg closer to where it belongs. Why fight with guns and warfare what can be fought with values and principles?

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Siro Mfume

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01-24-2005 22:57

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Draft Articles of Impeachment of President George W. Bush and other named officials of the United States charge the most serious crimes known to law and history. Nothing in the experience of the impeachment power under the Constitution compares. The conduct charged threatens the Constitution, the United Nations, the rule of law and the lives of unknown thousands, or millions of people by their act and example.

The alleged impeachable acts of President George W. Bush include:

1. Ordering and directing "first strike" war of aggression against Afghanistan causing thousands of deaths;

2. Removing the government of Afghanistan by force and installing a government of his choice;

3. Authorizing daily intrusions into Iraqi airspace and aerial attacks including attacks on alleged defense installations in Iraq which have killed hundreds of people in time of peace;

4. Authorizing, ordering and condoning attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties are unavoidable;

5. Threatening the use of nuclear weapons and ordering preparation for their use;

6. Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently proclaiming his personal intention to change its government by force;

7. Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, murder, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners;

8. Authorizing, ordering and condoning violations of rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eight Amendments to the Constitution and of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and other international protections of human rights;

9. Authorizing, directing and condoning bribery and coercion of individuals and governments to obtain his war ends;

10. Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda and concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment to create a climate of fear and hatred and destroy opposition to his war goals.

President Bush is accused of Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. No crimes are greater threats to the Constitution of the United States, the United Nation Charter, the rule of law or the future of humanity.

I could have SWORN the Geneva Conventions were written to prevent people like Bush from going unpunished...

Devlin Gallant

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01-24-2005 23:04

There hasn't been a president without skeletons in his closet, and dirt swept under his carpet since Kennedy. If not before. If Kerry had won, we would soon be having problems with him too. There are no honest politicians left in this country.

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Lance Hedges

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01-25-2005 00:15

I'm a convicted idiot, I can't vote for anythnig without the help of my "special lady"

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Kayin Zugzwang

A Superior Grouch

Join date: 7 Jun 2004

Posts: 269

01-25-2005 00:19

President is not impeachable over the Geneva convention. Take it up with the UN instead(seriously).

Isis: You have a point. Civiliains couldn't stand up to the army anyways. Still, I think your chosen course of protest probably one of the least effective.

In the .0000000001 percent chance you succed though, I suppose I won't really complain, though.

Val Behemoth

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01-25-2005 06:35

From: Derek Jones

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you don't like Bush, don't vote for him! He WAS reelected...

Don't flame me. Please

He WAS NOT re-elected. To do that, you need to have been elected in the first place, not appointed... or should that be annointed these days?

Kendra Bancroft

Rhine Maiden

Join date: 17 Jun 2004

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01-25-2005 07:26

From: Plenipotientiary Extraordinaire

No. Let me explain things simply. The Electoral College has certified the election. It's over. Get over it.

I don't disagree that the Electoral College has certified Bush as President.

However, Bush cannot prove he won the actual popular or electoral votes from the people. Until there is verified voter paper trails --I will not "Get over it".

Do you not care that your vote no longer matters?

Kendra Bancroft

Rhine Maiden

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01-25-2005 07:29

From: Reitsuki Kojima

You have no facts to back up your assertation of being Queen.

Bush has facts to back up his assertation of being president.

You may disagree with those facts...

But then the burden of proof once again rests on you to disprove Bush's assertation.

Bush can only prove that he was voted in by the electoral college --that is enough to make him President legally. It is not enough to prove to me that this election wasn't fraud. The burden of proof is always on the claimant. Bush claims to be President by popular vote? Let him prove it. I claim that Bush can't prove the people voted for him -- guess what --he can't. There is no method of proving his vote count.

Kendra Bancroft

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01-25-2005 07:33

From: Siro Mfume

I could have SWORN the Geneva Conventions were written to prevent people like Bush from going unpunished...

You can thank our future AG for legally wrangling the President out of having to follow the Geneva Conventions.

Kendra Bancroft

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01-25-2005 07:33

From: Devlin Gallant

There are no honest politicians left in this country.

Boxer '08

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01-25-2005 10:33

From: Kendra Bancroft

I don't disagree that the Electoral College has certified Bush as President.

However, Bush cannot prove he won the actual popular or electoral votes from the people. Until there is verified voter paper trails --I will not "Get over it".

Do you not care that your vote no longer matters?

Even then there will be mistakes in a vote this size Kendra. The Dems claim to have "EVERY" vote counted was a hollow promise and only said to make them look good. I have no problem with taking reasonable measures to assure the correct man won but the difference between you and me is that I am satisfied that has been done just as I was when Clinton was elected. I am satisfied along with practically every prominent Democrat btw.

If the vote is so bogus then maybe your guy should have not conceded. His concession alone is makes your argument invalid, irrational and idiotic anyway. He gave up Kendra, he lost, he will NEVER be President. Sour grapes I say... Get over it and do something positive for our country for a change.

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Kendra Bancroft

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01-25-2005 11:00

From: Billy Grace

Even then there will be mistakes in a vote this size Kendra. The Dems claim to have "EVERY" vote counted was a hollow promise and only said to make them look good. I have no problem with taking reasonable measures to assure the correct man won but the difference between you and me is that I am satisfied that has been done just as I was when Clinton was elected. I am satisfied along with practically every prominent Democrat btw.

If the vote is so bogus then maybe your guy should have not conceded. His concession alone is makes your argument invalid, irrational and idiotic anyway. He gave up Kendra, he lost, he will NEVER be President. Sour grapes I say... Get over it and do something positive for our country for a change.

1) Clinton was able to prove his votes --as there was a method in place to adequately recount votes if needed.

2) Never confuse me with a Democrat. I'm no such animal.

3) Kerry conceded for the same reason that I have doubts in our current election procedure. He can no more prove his case, then Bush can prove his.

4) I'm not in this fight to make Kerry the President. I'm in this fight to ensure that ALL US citizens can be positive on their votes being counted. THAT, Billy would be a positive change for this country. Dontcha think?

5) Never ask me to "Get Over" the Bush administration's dismantling of everything that makes this country great. Get your head out of the damned sand. Fascism is not something to "Get Over".

6) Oh --and screw your "sour grapes" comment. It's beneath you.

David Cartier

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01-25-2005 11:54

From: Paris Cellardoor

Lance would you suggest complacency? We have to take action! When our children and our children's children look back and ask why didn't the American ppl do something at least I can say I did. His policies are not representative of myself and half the country. I have a dream.

Excuse me if I'm incorrect, but I thought that you were a resident of Mexico?

Paris Cellardoor

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01-25-2005 11:58

From: David Cartier

Excuse me if I'm incorrect, but I thought that you were a resident of Mexico?

I am still an American. Born american. So I have the right. DUAL CITIZENSHIP FECKER!!

Paris Cellardoor

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01-25-2005 12:00

Oh yeah and BTW David, Bush is hated by so many all over the world. NOT JUST AMERICA!!

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01-25-2005 12:03

From: Paris Cellardoor

Oh yeah and BTW David, Bush is hated by so many all over the world. NOT JUST AMERICA!!

I though him and El Presidente Vincente were drinkin buddies ?? *ducks

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01-25-2005 12:07

From: Darko Cellardoor

Please know this is a legitimate campaign. To date there have 481,424 signatures. Additionally the following ad was featured in the New York Times. Just wanted to ensure people realize this is a legitimate campaign not a terrorist cell working within America!

I wonder how many of the names on that petition even voted? If they didn't vote, they have no business even complaining.

Kendra Bancroft

Rhine Maiden

Join date: 17 Jun 2004

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01-25-2005 12:12

From: Phillip OFlynn

I wonder how many of the names on that petition even voted? If they didn't vote, they have no business even complaining.

Why?

David Cartier

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01-25-2005 12:14

From: Phillip OFlynn

I wonder how many of the names on that petition even voted? If they didn't vote, they have no business even complaining.

They have the right to complain that both candidates suck.

Vote To Impeach Bush!!
Darko Cellardoor Cannabinoid Addict Join date: 10 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,307	01-24-2005 20:05 Please know this is a legitimate campaign. To date there have 481,424 signatures. Additionally the following ad was featured in the New York Times. Just wanted to ensure people realize this is a legitimate campaign not a terrorist cell working within America! _____________________
Kayin Zugzwang A Superior Grouch Join date: 7 Jun 2004 Posts: 269	01-24-2005 20:20 Clinton was impeached, yes, but he was not convicted and retained his presidency and rightfully so. I think we all know that was stupid. Anyways. The patriot act is not grounds for impeachment. It's the supreme court's job to stop this stuff and in an impeachment hearing it would not be valid for that very reason. War in Iraq? going to war and is not an impeachable offense. it's congresses job to stop an unjust war -- And yeah -- people die. Thats NOT a war crime. If we shot a surrending Saddam on the spot... THAT would be a warcrime. Even then, Bush would not be held responsible unless the order came from him. Guantanimo bay is probably the best point, but few people care. The problem is, while many of these things might be immorally offensive to some of us(including my self), that does not mean its an impeachable offense. The success of any campaign of this sort lies in being realistic. This is not.
Teeny Leviathan Never started World War 3 Join date: 20 May 2003 Posts: 2,716	01-24-2005 20:32 Impeachment will do nothing. The only thing that will rid us of Bush & company is good, undisputable dirt. A skeleton will have to come out of the closet. Someone who knows something will have to speak up. Damaging, genuine documents will have to surface. Something that would not only lead to impeachment, but also serious jail time. All of these things are longshots. Until any of these things happen, we are all screwed. As it was said earlier in this thread, if Bush goes, we get Cheney. All we can do now is embrace the horror. _____________________ The Default Avatars were created by Linden Lab They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan.
a lost user Join date: ? Posts: ?	01-24-2005 20:49 From: Paris Cellardoor I apologize and I realize only a few percent are neocons. Oh yeah ty for your comment about my girls. Don't you just love your baby....bring happiness and joy to our lives. Thanks... apology accepted. And yeah, she had me from day one. Kids are the spice of life. They are so inocent and full of joy, I wish we could bottle that up and have the rest of us take a dose from time to time. To have the faith of a child for one day would be quite valuable indeed. _____________________
Isis Becquerel Ferine Strumpet Join date: 1 Sep 2004 Posts: 971	01-24-2005 21:08 From: Kayin Zugzwang Clinton was impeached, yes, but he was not convicted and retained his presidency and rightfully so. I think we all know that was stupid. Anyways. The patriot act is not grounds for impeachment. It's the supreme court's job to stop this stuff and in an impeachment hearing it would not be valid for that very reason. War in Iraq? going to war and is not an impeachable offense. it's congresses job to stop an unjust war -- And yeah -- people die. Thats NOT a war crime. If we shot a surrending Saddam on the spot... THAT would be a warcrime. Even then, Bush would not be held responsible unless the order came from him. Guantanimo bay is probably the best point, but few people care. The problem is, while many of these things might be immorally offensive to some of us(including my self), that does not mean its an impeachable offense. The success of any campaign of this sort lies in being realistic. This is not. The Supreme court is but another embodiment of the government. It is our job to make certain that the constitution is adhered to for the protection of the sovereign states. There is not a bought and paid for court in the land who will answer the cause of the disobediant American. And the states authority has been muddied by the fact that they accept bribes by way of "grants" to bend over for Fed-co. However, We are the congress, we are the people spoken of in that great article of democracy...in the end it is the will of the people which reigns supreme in these united but sovereign states of America. It is not the will of some court official appointed by any power of the federal government. As for war crimes you are correct we did not shoot Saddam but many have died in prison hoping, praying for a fair trial yet smothered under the cloak of intelligence gathering. The Geneva Conventions have been broken and that is criminal enough for me. Do tell what is your definition of impeachable...treason, Bush has commited treason as in violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies. He has commited treason by way of the Patriot acts (you should read them if you truly want insight into how far he and Rummy have gone in an effort to erode our constitutional rights) and the snake eaters, treason against the constitution which is the apotheosis of his country. He has sullied the very freedoms and liberties which this country was founded upon and for that he should be considered a criminal. This administration has waged war against the constitution, against the bill of rights and against any individual who dare disagree with its diatribe. This is an offense worth fighting , far moreso than a stain on a blue dress. _____________________ One of the most fashionable notions of our times is that social problems like poverty and oppression breed wars. Most wars, however, are started by well-fed people with time on their hands to dream up half-baked ideologies or grandiose ambitions, and to nurse real or imagined grievances. Thomas Sowell As long as the bottle of wine costs more than 50 bucks, I'm not an alcoholic...even if I did drink 3 of them.
Kayin Zugzwang A Superior Grouch Join date: 7 Jun 2004 Posts: 269	01-24-2005 21:32 .... If you're against the whole government then impeachment isn't going to help. Impeachment if brought up would not be successful. It's all government. if you're going to be like this, stop cutting corners and aim for revolution.
Isis Becquerel Ferine Strumpet Join date: 1 Sep 2004 Posts: 971	01-24-2005 21:51 From: Kayin Zugzwang .... If you're against the whole government then impeachment isn't going to help. Impeachment if brought up would not be successful. It's all government. if you're going to be like this, stop cutting corners and aim for revolution. To quote my fave man of the evening...but if only I had a neighbor who's spine I could not put my hand through...then maybe we would have the makings of revolution. But there is nothing wrong with a peaceful revolution, in fact I prefer it and this act of peacful demonstration is just the sort of thing needed in the US. It is acts such as this which force folk to get off their keister and figure out what is going on. It is acts such as this which make Americans take their collective heads out of the sand and knock the administration down a peg closer to where it belongs. Why fight with guns and warfare what can be fought with values and principles? _____________________ One of the most fashionable notions of our times is that social problems like poverty and oppression breed wars. Most wars, however, are started by well-fed people with time on their hands to dream up half-baked ideologies or grandiose ambitions, and to nurse real or imagined grievances. Thomas Sowell As long as the bottle of wine costs more than 50 bucks, I'm not an alcoholic...even if I did drink 3 of them.
Siro Mfume XD Join date: 5 Aug 2004 Posts: 747	01-24-2005 22:57 From: someone Draft Articles of Impeachment of President George W. Bush and other named officials of the United States charge the most serious crimes known to law and history. Nothing in the experience of the impeachment power under the Constitution compares. The conduct charged threatens the Constitution, the United Nations, the rule of law and the lives of unknown thousands, or millions of people by their act and example. The alleged impeachable acts of President George W. Bush include: 1. Ordering and directing "first strike" war of aggression against Afghanistan causing thousands of deaths; 2. Removing the government of Afghanistan by force and installing a government of his choice; 3. Authorizing daily intrusions into Iraqi airspace and aerial attacks including attacks on alleged defense installations in Iraq which have killed hundreds of people in time of peace; 4. Authorizing, ordering and condoning attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties are unavoidable; 5. Threatening the use of nuclear weapons and ordering preparation for their use; 6. Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently proclaiming his personal intention to change its government by force; 7. Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, murder, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners; 8. Authorizing, ordering and condoning violations of rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eight Amendments to the Constitution and of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and other international protections of human rights; 9. Authorizing, directing and condoning bribery and coercion of individuals and governments to obtain his war ends; 10. Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda and concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment to create a climate of fear and hatred and destroy opposition to his war goals. President Bush is accused of Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. No crimes are greater threats to the Constitution of the United States, the United Nation Charter, the rule of law or the future of humanity. I could have SWORN the Geneva Conventions were written to prevent people like Bush from going unpunished...
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	01-24-2005 23:04 There hasn't been a president without skeletons in his closet, and dirt swept under his carpet since Kennedy. If not before. If Kerry had won, we would soon be having problems with him too. There are no honest politicians left in this country. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Lance Hedges Brian Peppers!! Join date: 23 May 2004 Posts: 151	01-25-2005 00:15 I'm a convicted idiot, I can't vote for anythnig without the help of my "special lady" _____________________ YOU'RE THE MAN NOW, DOG
Kayin Zugzwang A Superior Grouch Join date: 7 Jun 2004 Posts: 269	01-25-2005 00:19 President is not impeachable over the Geneva convention. Take it up with the UN instead(seriously). Isis: You have a point. Civiliains couldn't stand up to the army anyways. Still, I think your chosen course of protest probably one of the least effective. In the .0000000001 percent chance you succed though, I suppose I won't really complain, though.
Val Behemoth Ms. Reverse Engineering Join date: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 9	01-25-2005 06:35 From: Derek Jones I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you don't like Bush, don't vote for him! He WAS reelected... Don't flame me. Please He WAS NOT re-elected. To do that, you need to have been elected in the first place, not appointed... or should that be annointed these days?
Kendra Bancroft Rhine Maiden Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 5,813	01-25-2005 07:26 From: Plenipotientiary Extraordinaire No. Let me explain things simply. The Electoral College has certified the election. It's over. Get over it. I don't disagree that the Electoral College has certified Bush as President. However, Bush cannot prove he won the actual popular or electoral votes from the people. Until there is verified voter paper trails --I will not "Get over it". Do you not care that your vote no longer matters?
Kendra Bancroft Rhine Maiden Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 5,813	01-25-2005 07:29 From: Reitsuki Kojima You have no facts to back up your assertation of being Queen. Bush has facts to back up his assertation of being president. You may disagree with those facts... But then the burden of proof once again rests on you to disprove Bush's assertation. Bush can only prove that he was voted in by the electoral college --that is enough to make him President legally. It is not enough to prove to me that this election wasn't fraud. The burden of proof is always on the claimant. Bush claims to be President by popular vote? Let him prove it. I claim that Bush can't prove the people voted for him -- guess what --he can't. There is no method of proving his vote count.
Kendra Bancroft Rhine Maiden Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 5,813	01-25-2005 07:33 From: Siro Mfume I could have SWORN the Geneva Conventions were written to prevent people like Bush from going unpunished... You can thank our future AG for legally wrangling the President out of having to follow the Geneva Conventions.
Kendra Bancroft Rhine Maiden Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 5,813	01-25-2005 07:33 From: Devlin Gallant There are no honest politicians left in this country. Boxer '08
a lost user Join date: ? Posts: ?	01-25-2005 10:33 From: Kendra Bancroft I don't disagree that the Electoral College has certified Bush as President. However, Bush cannot prove he won the actual popular or electoral votes from the people. Until there is verified voter paper trails --I will not "Get over it". Do you not care that your vote no longer matters? Even then there will be mistakes in a vote this size Kendra. The Dems claim to have "EVERY" vote counted was a hollow promise and only said to make them look good. I have no problem with taking reasonable measures to assure the correct man won but the difference between you and me is that I am satisfied that has been done just as I was when Clinton was elected. I am satisfied along with practically every prominent Democrat btw. If the vote is so bogus then maybe your guy should have not conceded. His concession alone is makes your argument invalid, irrational and idiotic anyway. He gave up Kendra, he lost, he will NEVER be President. Sour grapes I say... Get over it and do something positive for our country for a change. _____________________
Kendra Bancroft Rhine Maiden Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 5,813	01-25-2005 11:00 From: Billy Grace Even then there will be mistakes in a vote this size Kendra. The Dems claim to have "EVERY" vote counted was a hollow promise and only said to make them look good. I have no problem with taking reasonable measures to assure the correct man won but the difference between you and me is that I am satisfied that has been done just as I was when Clinton was elected. I am satisfied along with practically every prominent Democrat btw. If the vote is so bogus then maybe your guy should have not conceded. His concession alone is makes your argument invalid, irrational and idiotic anyway. He gave up Kendra, he lost, he will NEVER be President. Sour grapes I say... Get over it and do something positive for our country for a change. 1) Clinton was able to prove his votes --as there was a method in place to adequately recount votes if needed. 2) Never confuse me with a Democrat. I'm no such animal. 3) Kerry conceded for the same reason that I have doubts in our current election procedure. He can no more prove his case, then Bush can prove his. 4) I'm not in this fight to make Kerry the President. I'm in this fight to ensure that ALL US citizens can be positive on their votes being counted. THAT, Billy would be a positive change for this country. Dontcha think? 5) Never ask me to "Get Over" the Bush administration's dismantling of everything that makes this country great. Get your head out of the damned sand. Fascism is not something to "Get Over". 6) Oh --and screw your "sour grapes" comment. It's beneath you.
David Cartier Registered User Join date: 8 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,018	01-25-2005 11:54 From: Paris Cellardoor Lance would you suggest complacency? We have to take action! When our children and our children's children look back and ask why didn't the American ppl do something at least I can say I did. His policies are not representative of myself and half the country. I have a dream. Excuse me if I'm incorrect, but I thought that you were a resident of Mexico?
Paris Cellardoor Jefa del Cartel Join date: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 867	01-25-2005 11:58 From: David Cartier Excuse me if I'm incorrect, but I thought that you were a resident of Mexico? I am still an American. Born american. So I have the right. DUAL CITIZENSHIP FECKER!!
Paris Cellardoor Jefa del Cartel Join date: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 867	01-25-2005 12:00 Oh yeah and BTW David, Bush is hated by so many all over the world. NOT JUST AMERICA!!
Lecktor Hannibal YOUR MOM Join date: 1 Jul 2004 Posts: 6,734	01-25-2005 12:03 From: Paris Cellardoor Oh yeah and BTW David, Bush is hated by so many all over the world. NOT JUST AMERICA!! I though him and El Presidente Vincente were drinkin buddies ?? *ducks _____________________ YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net ' From: Khamon Fate Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible. Bikers have more fun than people !
Phillip OFlynn Temporarily here Join date: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 12	01-25-2005 12:07 From: Darko Cellardoor Please know this is a legitimate campaign. To date there have 481,424 signatures. Additionally the following ad was featured in the New York Times. Just wanted to ensure people realize this is a legitimate campaign not a terrorist cell working within America! I wonder how many of the names on that petition even voted? If they didn't vote, they have no business even complaining.
Kendra Bancroft Rhine Maiden Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 5,813	01-25-2005 12:12 From: Phillip OFlynn I wonder how many of the names on that petition even voted? If they didn't vote, they have no business even complaining. Why?
David Cartier Registered User Join date: 8 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,018	01-25-2005 12:14 From: Phillip OFlynn I wonder how many of the names on that petition even voted? If they didn't vote, they have no business even complaining. They have the right to complain that both candidates suck.

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