9/11 Pentagon Strike curiosities

Here's the difference. The *reasons* for those incidents are known. I have repeatedly asked people who believe in crackpot 9/11 theories to come up with a reason the government would lie, or cover up or whatever, and nobody ever does.

At no point did I claim I believe everything without question. But on this issue, now almost 5 years later, I'm quite satisfied that I know what happened based on a) what I saw that day, b) what the news was reporting on that day and the days that followed and c) what has been discovered and reported since then.

-S

that would have been the secret service following thier evacuation plans. however i did see it as a sign of weakness also.

Actually I didn't. Although I was in another country, I saw on TV the events almost as they happened. I was staying at my daughter's, and saw the aftermath of the first plane, and saw the second hit.

At the time, when the second plane hit, my first thought was that I was watching an attempted coup. At the time we didn't know anything save that America was under attack. We were aware of a large movement of American 'survivalists', and I assumed that it was them who were behind the attack.

Such a thought must have occurred to the President's advisors too. I am sure he was kept in a safe place until the extent of the attack and its origin was known.

Here's the difference. The *reasons* for those incidents are known. I have repeatedly asked people who believe in crackpot 9/11 theories to come up with a reason the government would lie, or cover up or whatever, and nobody ever does.

Hey, we still don't know why the Japanese were allowed to land their armies on the island and march for two days towards the harbor, before the WW2 Pearl Harbor incident. Maybe US governments throughour the ages are just naive and stupid when it comes to these things? Like, "We're ALL gung-ho for freedom and liberty. Why would others want to hurt us?"

what the hell are you talking about?

Actually I didn't. Although I was in another country, I saw on TV the events almost as they happened. I was staying at my daughter's, and saw the aftermath of the first plane, and saw the second hit.

At the time, when the second plane hit, my first thought was that I was watching an attempted coup. At the time we didn't know anything save that America was under attack. We were aware of a large movement of American 'survivalists', and I assumed that it was them who were behind the attack.

Such a thought must have occurred to the President's advisors too. I am sure he was kept in a safe place until the extent of the attack and its origin was known.

what the hell are you talking about?

Even though when it happened most people were saying its the Arabs minutes after it happened. it definitely would have been a poor choice for the governement to jump to such a conclusion.

Japanese landed a small amount of troops on the same island on the opposite side of Pearl Harbor was on about two days before the attack. They marched across the island, and no one paid them any attention. They were supposed to have been the ground attack force part of the whole Pearl Harbor bombing thing. I'm thinking maybe US ignoring them, instead of going, "Hey, what the hell are you guys doing?" which continued on to Pearl Harbor in WW2 is still continuing on with US ignoring all the threat warnings out of Europe and Israel about the 9/11 hijackers. I.E. maybe it's not conspiracy, maybe the national security of US is naive and stupid, and has been on and off for the last 60+ years.

Actually this is a fairly interesting idea. If a coup in the US were performed how would events take place.

Something along the lines of the 9/11 attacks could very well have been Act One, Scene One.

Even though when it happened most people were saying its the Arabs minutes after it happened. it definitely would have been a poor choice for the governement to jump to such a conclusion.

Only in your dreams dude.

This is an interesting point... considering bush flew the BinLaden family out of the country as soon as it happened. Why? Did they know as it was happening, who it was? THAT never hit the news I watched...

I do remember this from Moore's movie but i have not seen any other sources that substantiate it.

Moore is someone with a definite Agenda it is difficult to know if everything he claims is fact.

Also if the bin laden family rushed out of the country statement is true. the actual timeline might make a difference in trying to piece together the motives of President Bush and those who got them out.

you have any sources for this, i find that very interesting if its true, i know of the midget subs in the harbor but have never heard anything about troops on the island.

Very true. I want to say that I read somewhere else before Moore's movie about the Bin Laden family thing... I'll see if I can find a reputable source of the info again. If I do, I'll post it.

Very true. I want to say that I read somewhere else before Moore's movie about the Bin Laden family thing... I'll see if I can find a reputable source of the info again. If I do, I'll post it.

*sigh* Saw it on the history channel a few months ago. Googling for this is proving to be a big pain. Wikipedia mentions something about a ground attack on the island shortly after the pearl harbor bombing, some other sources scattered around mention a few attacks here and there "hours" after the bomber attack, but after spending about 15 minutes searching with various keywords (I didn't use anything like "conspiracy" all I could find are very disorganized snippets, and one article about the president and congress being aware of the uncomming attack, but choosing to either ignore it, not not putting their clues together to get the big picture

Moore has made it his job to investigate current politics, sift fact from fiction, and distill it all down into a form that the average American has time to read. I highly recommend reading Dude, Where's My Country for lots more information as incredible as what I've told you above. You can also find links to many of the references and other related information on his website, http://www.michaelmoore.com/.*********

lol thats an advertisement for his book. and its in your "bibliography"

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~hoyj/9_11.html

Of course the fact that it's just a list of facts with an attached bibliography and links to original source of info will mean nothing, because you all tend to think anything that even crosses Michael Moore's path must be wrong.

These events appear to be connected. I don't know if they really are, it could all be co-incidence.

Considering how many of Asian origin were in Hawaii at the time, it might such a group could blend in if they didnt have weapons in clear sight.

Not necessarily wrong, just that his bias is strong enough I do not consider him a source of reliable unsubstantiated information.

In your link, unfortuntely the footnote with the of the the report Bush spirited out bin laden's family comes up "this page cannot be found"

It does state it was days later - which assuing its true would still be seperate from the idea that they were concerned of further attacks immediately after the 4 planes going down.