Illegal Immigration: Your Solutions

So far we have just been ignoring the problem. As you suggest, legalizing it would be another solution. Yet another is your transcontinental wall + national guard + jet aircraft flights for illegal immigrants etc etc.

This is your spending program and my tax dollars, convince me that its worth the expense.



That is certainly one factor in favor of your plan. Is that all?


I usally work with China, I get a better deals.
Of course most illegal immigrants aren't here to work in factories.


There are many issues I see with keeping the status quo (ignoring the problem) and this problem will not go away by itself. The way things are now we end up with the exploitation of workers. In addition, the high volume of illegal immigrants crossing the boarder makes it easier for unwanted people (criminals, terrorist, boogeymen) to cross the boarder.

Naturally, this calls out for a solution, but a rational solution. Do you have any concept of what it would cost to make your solution work?

Now...have you any realistic solutions to propose?

Which is why, in facing a lack of labor willing to work at wages that are piss-poor, wages will rise.

I think it's absolutely astounding that people speak so proudly of the $5/hour jobs that are exploitive, at best. I reject the whole notion of "jobs Americans don't want to do". There are plenty of American farmers and contruction workers. The problem is the wages due to a glut of illegal workers.

/follows suit

Done!

Done!

Done!

erm... well *their* gangs for the most part anyway

Are we ready to give back the entire southwest? (Throw in Texas too, I say)

If you cut out a strip that leads from Oklahoma to Austin, I say, let them have Texas, Southern California, Las Vegas, Arizona south of Route 10, and all of New Mexico! (It's got their name anyway.)

Nonsense.

Wages are low because the farmers can't afford to pay higher wages. The market won't support them.

You are the Duke!!! You are A-#1!!

Build a wall from the Pacific to the Atlantic????

Who you gonna have build it? Immigrant labor?

How much will it cost? Millions per mile for approximately 1250 mile?

Who's gonna pay for it? Oh just add it on to the national credit card... big whoop.



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Can't we just buy Baja California instead?

My solution?

Stop wasting time worring about things that aren't really a problem and focus on things that are.

Like education for instance. Or possibly global warming? Gangs maybe? Or how about the War?

You obviously haven't heard my suggestion... Build the wall. Mount milspec IR tracking turrets all along the wall, each armed with a fully automatic gun. 500 feet past the wall, put a second, chain-link fence, fifteen feet high, with barbed wire on the top. Tune the turrets to stop firing at that point. Anyone who makes it past the fence gets citizenship.

To defray the costs, mount television cameras and broadcast it 24/7 on cable TV.

/Yes, I'm a sick bastard
//Partially joking
///Don't see any particular problem with bloodsports
////Some parts of this idea may be taken from movies

You think none of those are related?

Illegal immigration -is- a problem.


I say deport all of them, keeping legal citizens in the US..and fines so bad to make bill gates shit his pants after ONE warning to any business who hires them.

To illegal immigration?

No, I don't

HOW is it a problem? Explain that to me please.

Then we'll start on Canada.

You really don't think a large population of illegal immigrents contributes to gang problems? To education problems?

What's the weather like where you live?

No I don't think it does, because I actually read about those problems instead of just making blind assumptions.

The weather is sunny and nice atm, thanks

So you have, of course, read that in many cities, hispanic gangs (often made up of illegal immigrents of the sons thereof) make up the vast majority of gangs? In LA, for example, the hispanic gang population is about equal to all other gang activity put together.

You have, of course, read that one of the biggest problems with our education system is a lack of funding to many districts, and that at the same time, illegal immigrants can cost between 12 and almost 30 billion (Depending on if you count first-gen americans born to illegal parents) annualy? And that in districts that provide dual-language education, that increases the cost per student by a non-trivial amount? Or that these illegal immigrants can and do get college scholarships, money that could otherwise go to legal students?

You know, as long as you read...

Good but not enough. You live in DC. How many of the illegal immigrants are from Mexico?

How many are not from Mexico. The issue is bigger than people running across the border.

Sure they can. Farmers cooperate on a national level, and set prices where appropriate. If the cost of producing crops increases, they just pass the buck to you and me.

And they used to pay these wages before a deluge of illegals came.

First off, they won't be able to pay $5 a day-the employers will have to pay a fair wage.

Second, while I already have a job, there are plenty of people in this country legally (refugees for example) that are looking for work.

Third, this goes well beyond agriculture. There have been reports that American construction workers have been told not to bother seeking work rebuilding Louisianna because the illegals are doing the work more cheaply.

-Kiamat Dusk

Yes, it would be expensive, but it would be worth it. ROI? Talk to the people who said it was too expensive to reinforce the levees in LA. Talk to the airlines about how cost effective it was for them to be lax on security in the face of 9/11.

Sometimes things worth doing are going to cost. We spent billions fighting the Cold War and that paid dividends in the future.

-Kiamat Dusk

When you say "from Mexico" do you mean are of Mexican nationality or came across the border? Because more than just Mexicans, or even Latin Americans are coming across the Mexican border.

-Kiamat Dusk

Building a wall along the entire mexican border, sending the national guard and hiring thousands of border guards is worth it?
Of course invoke 9/11 as well, there are a lot of vulnerablities besides illegal workers, draining money away building some wall could be going to deal with that. And N.O. levees? They were and are still a money pit. Its was the response to their failure that was the real tragedy. Look at the Iraq war, all the lives and money spent there were worth it, right?


1. First, we should raise the numbers for legal immigration and allow more people in legally, in the first years some of this will will be taken up by those already in the US (see #2). Remember its not just people coming in from Mexico, its also people smuggled in on ships, too.
2. partial amnesty program: if you are in the US and can show that you are being a productive person you can earn a temporary work visa to continue and start your processing into a legal immigrant (we will phase this out)
3. The stick: crack down on companies hiring illegal workers. Do this as a phased-in program with penalties increasing over say a 2-year period
4. increased staffing at the INS, not only to take care of the added influx, but also to do better follow-up on those who are violating the terms of their stay
5. I'm still not certian about guest worker programs-- they tend to be exploitive, but they are propular with most people because it doesn't have a path toward citizenship. I don't have a firm opinion on this
6. As you've said working with Mexico is also a good thing to work on.
7. Concurrently work on *real* border protection, not some asinine great wall of Rio Grande

Most likely, the tracker will be placed on the ankle.

Soak ankle for an hour or so in warm water.
Liberally apply liquid soap to ankle.
Slide tracker from ankle.
Place tracker on handy neighborhood stray cat.

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