15-yr-old Blind and Deaf Dog Kicked To Death

Does a person's sex have something to do with whether they're a fool or not?

Thanks for the compliment, I am pretty amazing.

Anyways, to bring this topic screeching back into its lane ... when I first read this topic, it made my stomach turn. Attacking any innocent animal or person, for no apparant reason (I doubt highly that the neighbor was trying to defend himself or his guest, more like overshadowing the serious mental issues he has.) My heart goes out to the couple who lost their beloved dog. Anyone who argues that pets aren't "human" ... I can partly agree with you on one point, they aren't our same species. They do however have emotions and needs.

It's just pets? Wild animals don't have emotions and needs? Where is your line? Do bugs have emotions and needs? How about fish?

It's the mind reading googles, come on now Joy, get with the program.

Um ... it's a grey area really. Since you don't find people typically domesticating most wild animals or hanging out with them, I wouldn't be able to tell you if they have the same level of emotional development as say the common house pet, but I believe they have some. It also depends on how high up on the evolutionary scale the said animal is. I do not believe, with a reasonable amount of certainty, that bacterium have emotions. One day someone might prove me wrong If so, we can only pray for our survival.

If you stab a dog, it bleeds. If you pet it, it enjoys it. If you poison it, it will die. And if you kick it, it will bite you.

The same can be said about a lion or bear, or even a rat.

Rats are people too! But not babies that are in a womb. Those are not people!!!

Now that is funny.

Again ... define people. I'm sorry, but according to all definitions: People are human beings who are born, collected and serve under some or no government on this planet (or in the future other planets?) While you can say that babies in the womb are alive, they are not considered people until the moment of conception. ** Caveat ** Unless the US or other countries pass laws that define a fetus or OBGYN as a person legally.

Conception happens after a baby is in the womb? Whoa!

Ahem, sorry, I mean birth.

per·son (pûrsn)
n.

1. A living human.
2. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
3. The living body of a human.
4. Physique and general appearance.

dictionary.com

The problem is however, when do we consider the fetus a seperate person from the mother? Remember, the fetus is practically sustaining off of the nutrients from the placenta until childbirth. Just a thought. I'm not for or against Partial Birth Abortion really. It's all up to the individual and circumstances. Alot of grey areas.

After birth the child feeds off the mother's breast milk, or the mother and/or father feeds her. The fact the child requires feeding doesn't make her the property of the one feeding her.

A one year old baby couldn't live on its own, either. What's the difference?

Damn, you beat me to it.

Right, but I'm enquiring on the moment that it's medically indicated that the mother and fetus are considered two seperate entities. I know that newborns and young toddlers still will require feeding, cleaning etc. What I'm asking is when is the fetus considered a seperate person. I know that if you asked different people they may come up with different answers to that, ranging from conception to birth. That is the conundrum, when should the medical profession consider a fetus a seperate person?

At the moment the child is alive, and has different dna than the mother.

So you are stating, basically, mitosis (The entire process of cell division including division of the nucleus and the cytoplasm) right after conception?

Yes, that is when "the new life begins".

If it has to be killed to stop it becoming a toddler, or a teenager, then it's a living human.

Ok, just wondering. I'm not saying I completely agree with either of you on this. But, we can peacefully agree to disagree, right?

Ooooohhhh, here I thought the Amazing Kreskin had joined the ranks. DAMN!!

Well, partial-birth abortion is when the baby is close to birth. The body is fully formed and she looks like a regular baby. The "doctor" uses sisors to open a hole at the base of the scull, then slips in a vaccuum and sucks out her brain like jello. Most people areagainst this form of abortion, even many who first trimester abortion on demand for any reason.

But I absolutley accept your opinion regardless of how it conflicts with mine.