15-yr-old Blind and Deaf Dog Kicked To Death

Sophomoric? That's a personal attack!

Trying not to veer too off topic. A person who would find a 15 year old, blind, deaf dog enough of a threat to attack is the same numb nuts who would use deadly force as the first option with a burgler.

As a young woman in Texas, I lived in a very bad neighborhood. I was broken into twice while I was home. Both times I greeted the perp with a pistol. The first one jumped off the balcony and was arrested two blocks away with a bum ankle. The second one was very happy to lay on the floor and wait for the police.

Now all that aside... the cowboy attitude displayed by a previous poster is exactly the reason we have the whacko attitudes towards guns in this country. It's more about a gun as a penis extension than a tool.

By the way, Stankleberry.. I don't know what you were "looking up" when you were trying to "verify" this story... all it took for me was entering the perpetrator's name in google - I got a lot of hits there:

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/4759/NY/US/
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050729/NEWS02/507290349/1017
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051014/NEWS04/510140360/1020/NEWS04

Please. There's not way that constitues a personal attack. Maybe this will clear up "personal attacks" for you:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_attack

I know, I know, it's another of those pesky wikipedia definitions....

And I know, I shouldn't be feeding the trolls either...

I was only taking the positions I was because I didn't think there was any additional information on the dog kicker besides what was in the petition that the first poster linked to. Obviously the stories that were posted later in the thread fills the story out a lot more and makes it much more clear that the guy is messed up.

I didn't know that it's normal here for people to go and Google more information than is already in the thread and then refer to it without linking at all, expecting everyone else to do the same. That's kind of weird, I would post a link to the other story for everyone to see.

Haha, it seems like it's very important for you to shut me down by using personal attacks. When ideas make you angry, you should always think about why you're getting upset about an idea. You pretend that your problem is with the presentation of the idea, but are you sure that's what's pissing you off?

By the power of the holy AR button -- begone sophomoric troll-demon!

HAHAHA MISS TEACHER, MISS TEACHER!! STANKLEBERRY SULLIVAN IS BEING SOPHOMOROIC WITH THE CRAYONS!!!

When my neighbors’ BBQ I usually wander over for a snack.

BTW, firearm laws are regulated by the states. Except for Class3 machine guns, sawed off shotguns, sawed off rifles, silencers and destructive devices. These are regulated by the feds.

If you shoot someone state laws apply in most cases unless you’re robbing a bank or shoot a postal worker or some shit like that. Most shootings will result in a civil trial even if it's considered justified. A civil trial will bankrupt most people with just the attorney fees alone. I recommend not shooting someone unless you actually feel you are in danger of serious injury or death.

Just a reminder - please refrain from personally attacking those you do not agree with in the forums - also, even though this is the off-topic forum, please try to keep to the topic of the thread you're posting in

I don't wanna

Returning to the original post here, I think there is no worse a coward or a low-life than one who would harm an animal or a child. How they can live with themselves is beyond me. They must be messed up in ways most of us can't even imagine.

I say a prayer for this dog, and send love its way, and would say to Stankleberry he's wrong - dogs ARE people too.

coco

Cats are elephants.

Some people are jackasses.

Dogs are cool... why would someone want to do that? Here's a picture of a corgi to lift everyone's spirits.



Oh, and... here.

Put him down. The man, I mean.

Anyone who would kick a dog that isn't a threat will do the same to a person, imho.

That aside, in Florida it's perfectly legal to kill an intruder. But recently Florida went a step farther by allowing people the right to kill when threatened in public as this article says. The gun banners hate it.

MIAMI, April 26 - Gov. Jeb Bush signed a bill on Tuesday giving Florida citizens more leeway to use deadly force in their homes and in public, a move that gun-control groups and several urban police chiefs warned would give rise to needless deaths.

The measure, known as the "stand your ground bill," lets people use guns or other deadly force to defend themselves in public places without first trying to escape.

Floridians already had the right to defend themselves against home intruders under what is known as the castle doctrine, but until now, they could not do so in public.

The National Rifle Association lobbied hard for the bill's passage, and Wayne LaPierre, the group's executive vice president, said it would use the victory to push for similar measures elsewhere. The bill's sponsor, Representative Dennis K. Baxley of Ocala, said it would curb violent crime and make citizens feel safer.

"It's a clear position that we will stand with victims of violent attacks when the law is in their favor," said Mr. Baxley, a Republican who has sponsored several socially conservative bills this legislative session, including an effort to keep the brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive. "People want to know we stand on the side of victims of crime instead of the side of criminals."

Governor Bush, a Republican, said he supported the measure because when people faced life-threatening situations, "to have to retreat and put yourself in a very precarious position defies common sense."

But John F. Timoney, Miami's police chief, called the bill unnecessary and dangerous. Chief Timoney, who has successfully pushed his police officers to use less deadly force, said many people, including children, could become innocent victims. The bill could make gun owners, including drivers with road rage or drunken sports fans who get into fights leaving ball games, assume they have "total immunity," he said.

"Whether it's trick-or-treaters or kids playing in the yard of someone who doesn't want them there or some drunk guy stumbling into the wrong house," Chief Timoney said, "you're encouraging people to possibly use deadly physical force where it shouldn't be used."

He added, "I don't think it's been thought out enough."

Chief Chuck Harmon of the St. Petersburg police and Sheriff Ken Jenne of Broward County also publicly opposed the bill. The Florida House of Representatives voted 94 to 20 in favor of the bill earlier this month, while the Senate, usually less conservative, passed it 39 to 0.

The measure codifies in state law what many courts have already ruled in Florida: that a citizen need not try to escape an intruder in his home or workplace before using deadly force in self-defense.

The measure also goes a step further, allowing "a person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be" to use deadly force without first trying to flee.

Florida was among the first states to allow people to carry concealed firearms, and Sarah Brady, chairwoman of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a national gun-control group, said she was not surprised that the N.R.A. lobbied for the new law here first. Mrs. Brady said that she had not even been aware of the measure before it passed, but that she would now rally opposition to similar bills in other states.

"The populace in Florida is very much common sense and on our side," Mrs. Brady said, "but the State Legislature is very conservative and the N.R.A. has control of them. I'm just sick. It's just a terrible, terrible bill."

Mrs. Brady, whose husband, James, was seriously injured in the 1981 assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, said that while the Florida measure was disheartening, other states were taking a different stance. On Monday, Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona, a Democrat, vetoed a bill that would have let people carry loaded guns into bars.

Still, Mrs. Brady conceded, "we are going to have to get busy and fight."

Mr. LaPierre of the N.R.A. said his group would introduce the bill in every state, and he predicted it would win broad national support.

"We will start with red and move to blue," he said of the states. "In terms of passing it, it is downhill rather than uphill because of all the public support."

Terry Aguayo contributed reporting from Miami for this article.

Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

That's the way it should be everywhere. Of course there will be a few cases where people get shot by mistake, but the far fewer crimes and murders that take place because criminals are afraid of getting blown away far outweighs those.

i'm sorry did i just hear correct? you think a $5000 fine would cut it. hell no. God they put people in jail for yrs for killing a human so he should get at least 5 yrs. but what ticks me off is people witnessed this and didn't do anything. hmm, shows what good citizens and neighbours are around to watch a helpless dog suffer such a brutal death and sit back and talk about it after rather than thumping this guys arse and letting him feel what he just did. he's a lucky person he dont' live near me i'll tell ya that, my neighbours take care of horrible people like that then sit back and have a beer while he sits in a hospital hoping he never looks in the direction of another pup again.

Dogs are not people. Also, he didn't murder the dog. Do you really think that he intended to kill it by kicking it?

Yes, and I think McDonald's employees and bank tellers should carry Glocks too.

Give everyone a pistol! We'll all feel so safe, and that's what's important right? That paranoid types, who want to place the value of a VCR over that of human life think they are safe!

Let's just regress back to the Wild West! It'll be a rootin', tootin', shootin', body bag fillin' jamboree!

Hahaha, paranoid. I like the types, such as yourself, who would rather never do anything to protect themselves. "Oh mommy government, please take care of all my problems! I can't do anything for myself!"

Nah, that's for types like yourself who think invading other countries illegally is good policy.

"They might hurt us, so we better take them out!" Same paranoid mentality you're displaying with your stone-age ideas about placing property over life.

Ah, back to whining about this again. Try to stay on topic, "Nolan". That is one of the rules here.